An End to Killing Taoist Movie.

[Mudryah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp_WYpXadHY&stns=em

 

Movie about Dragon Gate founder Qiu Chuji convincing Ghengis Khan to eat, live happy and don't kill.

 

This is a true story But the movie adds Hollywood like scenes to it. It's not in subtitles but just watch it. Great movie.

 

 

 

Wikipedia information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiu_Chuji

Edited September 27, 2013 by Mudryah

[Mudryah]

Also, watch an interview of my friend Lucia Wudang disciple and the interviewer has a documentary trailer at the end of the video.

 

 

 

Buy the Documentary here:

http://www.imaginarts.tv/en/documentary/62-en-terre-martiale-wudang-shan-documentaire-dvd.html

Edited September 29, 2013 by Mudryah

[Marblehead]

That might be interesting. I'll have to keep my eyes alert for that if it makes it here to the States.

[joeblast]

I'd watch it if I understood chinese

[Marblehead]

I'd watch it if I understood chinese

Yeah, but if it makes it to the West maybe it will have English sub-titles.

[ChiDragon]

The story was about Kangaskhan had ordered a high Taoist Priciest(丘處機) to bring him the elixir for longevity. However, the high Priciest told Kangaskhan that there was no elixir ever existed but there is only a method for preserving life. In order to preserve lives, one must not kill others. At the end, finally, Kangaskhan took his advice by issuing a decree to cease all massacres and executions.

Edited September 26, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Isimsiz Biri]

When Qiu Chuji (Changchun zi) met Genghis Khan at 1221-1222, it was already too late as Genghis Khan had killed so many innocent people already. Qiu Chuji did his best anyway.

 

In Turkmenistan, there is a city conquered by Genghis Khan. The city was under siege but there was a resistance. There was a river running nearby the city. A woman came to Genghis Khan and told him that she knew the way to conquer the city. He asked her to tell it. The woman told that he should construct a barrier on the river such that the water will flood to the city beyond that barrier. The defenders would surrender. Genghis Khan applied this advice and it really worked. All the civilians and defenders had been killed as in other conquers. What happened to that woman? Genghis Khan said "Behead that woman as nobody can be wiser than me!"

Edited September 27, 2013 by Isimsiz Biri

[ChiDragon]

That would be another movie made under a non-Taoist plot.........

[Marblehead]

Yeah, I hink we should not view Genghis Khan (or Hitler) as a nice guy. He wasn't! He was interested in only destruction. That is only half Tao - in other words, half-assed.

[Ad Nauseaum]

Say what you will about the Mongols, I find it interesting that the gigantic amount of destruction they reaped throughout Asia and Europe in their conquests eventually led to the period of Pax Mongolica, the peace of the Mongols so to say, in which much of Eurasia was stabilised and East and West connected.

[Marblehead]

Sure, good things generally result after catastrophies. And we can even go so far as to suggest that these good things would not have happened had the catastrophy not happened.

 

But that still does not justify the means.

[Isimsiz Biri]

Say what you will about the Mongols, I find it interesting that the gigantic amount of destruction they reaped throughout Asia and Europe in their conquests eventually led to the period of Pax Mongolica, the peace of the Mongols so to say, in which much of Eurasia was stabilised and East and West connected.

New states have been established like Timurids and Ottomans, Turkish states after fighting with remnants of Mongols.

 

The famous library of Baghdad were set to fire in 1258 by grandson of Genghis Khan. Very valuable books of Islam civilization were lost. Words are not enough to describe Mongol destruction.

[xor]

Libraries seem to be one the first things to be destroyed. It's no wonder we know so little about our past.

[shanlung]

 

Yeah, I hink we should not view Genghis Khan (or Hitler) as a nice guy. He wasn't! He was interested in only destruction. That is only half Tao - in other words, half-assed.

 

I find it fascinating that Chang Chun zi (Taoist name of Qiu Chuji) was regarded as the least talented of the students of Wang Chongyang, at least in the fascinating story of the 7 Taoist Masters translated by Eva Wong.

 

Those really interested in the Tao should get their hands on this book.

 

Another fascinating aspect that even though Wang Chongyang was such a Master, his disciples went on to set their own schools.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Chongyang

2. Ma Yu (馬鈺) founded the Yuxian lineage (Meeting the Immortals)
4. Tan Chuduan (譚處端) founded the Nanwu lineage (Southern Void)
6. Liu Chuxuan (劉處玄) founded the Suishan lineage (Mount Sui)
8. Qiu Chuji (丘處機) founded the Longmen lineage (Dragon Gate)
10. Wang Chuyi (王處一) founded the Yushan lineage (Mount Yu)
12. Hao Datong (郝大通) founded the Huashan lineage (Mount Hua)
14. Sun Bu'er (孫不二) founded the Qingjing lineage (Clarity and Stillness)

 

 

 

Those here insisting on one and only one path might give above a bit of thought.

 

Those who think Genghis Khan only interest was in destruction might give a thought to the era he was in.

 

He moved against the Khwarezmian Empire only after the trade caravans Genghis send to establish trading ties were first looted by a governor. And Mongol ambassadors send to appeal to Shah Ala ad-Din Muhammad were beheaded and their heads send back to Genghis Khan. You suggest Genghis should twiddle his thumb?

 

That story given by Isimsiz Biri is laughable. Nothing more than clumsy attempt to smear Genghis Khan. His army and tactics used by Genghis Khan were not repeated until the time of the First World War.

 

As to the man who was Genghis Khan, consider his request to Chang Chung. That was made a few times. Genghis , if he was such a ruthless bastard, would have just send a touman to drag ChangChun to him by the roots of his hair.

 

His final invitation to Chang Chun (which was accepted) is still in existence.

Read and decide for yourself what kind of man would write those humble words.

 

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

extract from

http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html

 

[Chinghis Khan's letter of invitation to Ch'ang ch'un]

//[p.37] Heaven has abandoned China owing to its haughtiness and extravagant luxury. But I, living in the northern wilderness, have not inordinate passions. I hate luxury and exercise moderation. I have only one coat and one food. I eat the same food and am dressed in the same tatters as my humble herdsmen. I consider the people my //[p.38] children, and take an interest in talented men as if they were my brothers. We always agree in our principles, and we are always united by mutual affection. At military exercises I am always in the front, and in time of battle am never behind. In the space of seven years I have succeeded in accomplishing a great work, and uniting the whole world in one empire. I have not myself dis- tinguished qualities.

But the government of the Kin is inconstant, and therefore Heaven assists me to obtain the throne (of the Kin). The Sung to the south, the Hui ho to the north, the Hia to the east, and the barbarians in the west, all together have acknowledged my supremacy. It seems to me that since the remote time of our shan yü such a vast empire has not been seen. But as my calling is high, the obligations incumbent on me are also heavy; and I fear that in my ruling there may be something wanting. To cross a river we make boats and rudders. Likewise we invite sage men, and choose out assistants for keeping the empire in good order. Since the time I came to the throne I have always taken to heart the ruling of my people; but I could not find worthy men to occupy the places of the three (kung) and the nine (k'ing). With respect to these circumstances I inquired, and heard that thou, master, hast penetrated the truth, and that thou walkest in the path of right. Deeply learned and much experienced, thou hast much explored the laws. Thy sanctity is become manifest. Thou hast conserved the rigorous rules of the ancient sages. Thou art endowed with the eminent talents of celebrated men. For a long time thou hast lived in the caverns of the rocks, and hast retired from //[p.39] the world; but to thee the people who have acquired sanctity repair, like clouds on the path of the immortals, in innumerable multitudes. I knew that after the war thou hadst continued to live in Shan tung, at the same place, and I was always thinking of thee. I know the stories of the returning from the river Wei in the same cart, and of the invitations in the reed hut three times repeated. But what shall I do? We are separated by mountains and plains of great extent, and I cannot meet thee. I can only descend from the throne and stand by the side. I have fasted and washed . I have ordered my adjutant, Liu Chung lu, to prepare an escort and a cart for thee. Do not be afraid of the thousand li. I implore thee to move thy sainted steps. Do not think of the extent of the sandy desert. Commiserate the people in the present situation of affairs, or have pity upon me, and communicate to me the means of preserving life. I shall serve thee myself. I hope that at least thou wilt leave me a trifle of thy wisdom. Say only one word to me and I shall be happy. In this letter I have briefly expressed my thoughts, and hope that thou wilt understand them. I hope also that thou, having penetrated the principles of the great tao, sympathisest with all that is right, and wilt not resist the wishes of the people.

Given on the 1st day of the 5th month (May 15),1219.

 

[Chang ch'un's answer to Chinghiz:]

 

//[p.40] K'iu Ch'u ki [=Ch'ang chun], from Si hia hien, devoted to the tao, received lately from afar the most high decree. I must observe that all the people near the sea-shore are without talent. I confess that in worldly matters I am dull, and have not succeeded in investigating the tao, although I tried hard in every possible way. I have grown old and am not yet dead. My repute has spread over all kingdoms; but as to my sanctity, I am not better than ordinary people, and when I look inwards, I am deeply ashamed of myself. Who knows my hidden thoughts? Before this I have had several invitations from the southern capital and from the Sung, and have not gone. But now, at the first call of the Dragon court (he means the Mongol court), I am ready. Why? I have heard that the emperor has been gifted by Heaven with such valour and wisdom as has never been seen in ancient times or in our own days. Majestic splendour is accompanied by justice. The Chinese people as well as the barbarians have acknowledged the emperor's supremacy. At first I was undecided whether I would hide myself in the mountains or flee (to an island) into the sea, but I dared not oppose the order. I decided to brave frost and snow in order to be once presented to the emperor. I heard at first that your Majesty's chariot was not farther than north of Huan chou and Fu chou. But after arriving at Yen (Peking), I was informed that it had moved far away, it was not known how many thousand li. Storm and dust never cease obscuring the heavens. I am //[p. 41] old and infirm, and fear that I shall be unable to endure the pains of such a long journey, and that perhaps I cannot reach your majesty; and even should I reach, I would not be good for anything. Public affairs and affairs of war are not within my capacity. The doctrine of the tao teaches to restrain the passions; but that is a very difficult task. Considering these reasons, I conferred with Liu Chung lu, and asked him that I might wait in Yen or in Te hing (now Pao an chou) the return of your majesty. But he would not agree to that, and thus I myself undertook to lay my case before the emperor. I am anxious to satisfy the desire of your majesty, and to brave frost and snow, wherefore I solicit the decision (whether I shall start or wait). We were four who at the same time became ordained monks. Three have attained sanctity. Only I have undeservedly the repute of a sainted man. My appearance is parched, my body is weak. I am waiting for your majesty's order.

Written in the 3rd month (April) of 1220.

 

 

Idiotic Taoist

[Isimsiz Biri]

I find it fascinating that Chang Chun zi (Taoist name of Qiu Chuji) was regarded as the least talented of the students of Wang Chongyang, at least in the fascinating story of the 7 Taoist Masters translated by Eva Wong.

 

Those really interested in the Tao should get their hands on this book.

 

Another fascinating aspect that even though Wang Chongyang was such a Master, his disciples went on to set their own schools.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Chongyang

2. Ma Yu (馬鈺) founded the Yuxian lineage (Meeting the Immortals)
4. Tan Chuduan (譚處端) founded the Nanwu lineage (Southern Void)
6. Liu Chuxuan (劉處玄) founded the Suishan lineage (Mount Sui)
8. Qiu Chuji (丘處機) founded the Longmen lineage (Dragon Gate)
10. Wang Chuyi (王處一) founded the Yushan lineage (Mount Yu)
12. Hao Datong (郝大通) founded the Huashan lineage (Mount Hua)
14. Sun Bu'er (孫不二) founded the Qingjing lineage (Clarity and Stillness)

 

 

 

Those here insisting on one and only one path might give above a bit of thought.

 

Those who think Genghis Khan only interest was in destruction might give a thought to the era he was in.

 

He moved against the Khwarezmian Empire only after the trade caravans Genghis send to establish trading ties were first looted by a governor. And Mongol ambassadors send to appeal to Shah Ala ad-Din Muhammad were beheaded and their heads send back to Genghis Khan. You suggest Genghis should twiddle his thumb?

 

That story given by Isimsiz Biri is laughable. Nothing more than clumsy attempt to smear Genghis Khan. His army and tactics used by Genghis Khan were not repeated until the time of the First World War.

 

As to the man who was Genghis Khan, consider his request to Chang Chung. That was made a few times. Genghis , if he was such a ruthless bastard, would have just send a touman to drag ChangChun to him by the roots of his hair.

 

His final invitation to Chang Chun (which was accepted) is still in existence.

Read and decide for yourself what kind of man would write those humble words.

 

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

extract from

http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html

 

[Chinghis Khan's letter of invitation to Ch'ang ch'un]

//[p.37] Heaven has abandoned China owing to its haughtiness and extravagant luxury. But I, living in the northern wilderness, have not inordinate passions. I hate luxury and exercise moderation. I have only one coat and one food. I eat the same food and am dressed in the same tatters as my humble herdsmen. I consider the people my //[p.38] children, and take an interest in talented men as if they were my brothers. We always agree in our principles, and we are always united by mutual affection. At military exercises I am always in the front, and in time of battle am never behind. In the space of seven years I have succeeded in accomplishing a great work, and uniting the whole world in one empire. I have not myself dis- tinguished qualities.

But the government of the Kin is inconstant, and therefore Heaven assists me to obtain the throne (of the Kin). The Sung to the south, the Hui ho to the north, the Hia to the east, and the barbarians in the west, all together have acknowledged my supremacy. It seems to me that since the remote time of our shan yü such a vast empire has not been seen. But as my calling is high, the obligations incumbent on me are also heavy; and I fear that in my ruling there may be something wanting. To cross a river we make boats and rudders. Likewise we invite sage men, and choose out assistants for keeping the empire in good order. Since the time I came to the throne I have always taken to heart the ruling of my people; but I could not find worthy men to occupy the places of the three (kung) and the nine (k'ing). With respect to these circumstances I inquired, and heard that thou, master, hast penetrated the truth, and that thou walkest in the path of right. Deeply learned and much experienced, thou hast much explored the laws. Thy sanctity is become manifest. Thou hast conserved the rigorous rules of the ancient sages. Thou art endowed with the eminent talents of celebrated men. For a long time thou hast lived in the caverns of the rocks, and hast retired from //[p.39] the world; but to thee the people who have acquired sanctity repair, like clouds on the path of the immortals, in innumerable multitudes. I knew that after the war thou hadst continued to live in Shan tung, at the same place, and I was always thinking of thee. I know the stories of the returning from the river Wei in the same cart, and of the invitations in the reed hut three times repeated. But what shall I do? We are separated by mountains and plains of great extent, and I cannot meet thee. I can only descend from the throne and stand by the side. I have fasted and washed . I have ordered my adjutant, Liu Chung lu, to prepare an escort and a cart for thee. Do not be afraid of the thousand li. I implore thee to move thy sainted steps. Do not think of the extent of the sandy desert. Commiserate the people in the present situation of affairs, or have pity upon me, and communicate to me the means of preserving life. I shall serve thee myself. I hope that at least thou wilt leave me a trifle of thy wisdom. Say only one word to me and I shall be happy. In this letter I have briefly expressed my thoughts, and hope that thou wilt understand them. I hope also that thou, having penetrated the principles of the great tao, sympathisest with all that is right, and wilt not resist the wishes of the people.

Given on the 1st day of the 5th month (May 15),1219.

 

[Chang ch'un's answer to Chinghiz:]

 

//[p.40] K'iu Ch'u ki [=Ch'ang chun], from Si hia hien, devoted to the tao, received lately from afar the most high decree. I must observe that all the people near the sea-shore are without talent. I confess that in worldly matters I am dull, and have not succeeded in investigating the tao, although I tried hard in every possible way. I have grown old and am not yet dead. My repute has spread over all kingdoms; but as to my sanctity, I am not better than ordinary people, and when I look inwards, I am deeply ashamed of myself. Who knows my hidden thoughts? Before this I have had several invitations from the southern capital and from the Sung, and have not gone. But now, at the first call of the Dragon court (he means the Mongol court), I am ready. Why? I have heard that the emperor has been gifted by Heaven with such valour and wisdom as has never been seen in ancient times or in our own days. Majestic splendour is accompanied by justice. The Chinese people as well as the barbarians have acknowledged the emperor's supremacy. At first I was undecided whether I would hide myself in the mountains or flee (to an island) into the sea, but I dared not oppose the order. I decided to brave frost and snow in order to be once presented to the emperor. I heard at first that your Majesty's chariot was not farther than north of Huan chou and Fu chou. But after arriving at Yen (Peking), I was informed that it had moved far away, it was not known how many thousand li. Storm and dust never cease obscuring the heavens. I am //[p. 41] old and infirm, and fear that I shall be unable to endure the pains of such a long journey, and that perhaps I cannot reach your majesty; and even should I reach, I would not be good for anything. Public affairs and affairs of war are not within my capacity. The doctrine of the tao teaches to restrain the passions; but that is a very difficult task. Considering these reasons, I conferred with Liu Chung lu, and asked him that I might wait in Yen or in Te hing (now Pao an chou) the return of your majesty. But he would not agree to that, and thus I myself undertook to lay my case before the emperor. I am anxious to satisfy the desire of your majesty, and to brave frost and snow, wherefore I solicit the decision (whether I shall start or wait). We were four who at the same time became ordained monks. Three have attained sanctity. Only I have undeservedly the repute of a sainted man. My appearance is parched, my body is weak. I am waiting for your majesty's order.

Written in the 3rd month (April) of 1220.

 

 

Idiotic Taoist

 

 

Dear Shanlung,

 

You may laugh of course. Nobody is stopping you.

 

I understand that Chinese culture absorbed Mongol Empire and and after Genghis Khan his grandson Kublai Khan, grandson of Genghis Khan is also founder of Yuan Dynasty of China. For this reason, you Chinese have respect to Genghis Khan, that also makes sense up to a certain point.

 

What I am telling is Genhis Khan is responsible of killings of so many innocent people, Repeat INNOCENT people, women, children, elderly people, he was such a blood thirsty monster that, if you consider world population of 1210s, obviously much less than worl population of 1930s, he might have even killed a higher percentage of world population compared to Adolf Hitler and/or Joseph Stalin. Genghis Khan ordered the civilians to be butchered.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

 

China suffered a drastic decline in population.^[56] North China (then the most populous part) is thought to have lost about three-quarters of its population. The census of 1195 showed a population of 50 million people in north China [whereas] the first Mongol census of 1235–36 counted only 8.5 million. Admittedly, some of the population decline in Northern China must also be attributed to the large migration to Southern China, but exact figures are hard to find.^[57] Within China many people retain the more traditional view that Genghis Khan was a barbarian invader.

 

In the Middle East and Iran, he is almost universally looked on as a destructive and genocidal warlord who caused enormous damage and destruction to the population of these areas.^[58] Steven R. Ward wrote that "Overall, the Mongol violence and depredations killed up to three-fourths of the population of the Iranian Plateau, possibly 10 to 15 million people. Some historians have estimated that Iran's population did not again reach its pre-Mongol levels until the mid-20th century."^[59]

Similarly, in Afghanistan (along with other non-Turkic Muslim countries) he is generally viewed unfavorably though some groups display ambivalence as it is believed that the Hazara of Afghanistan are descendants of a large Mongol garrison stationed therein.^[60][61]

 

The invasions of Baghdad, Samarkand, Urgench, Kiev, Vladimir among others caused mass murders, such as when portions of southernKhuzestan were completely destroyed. His descendant Hulagu Khan destroyed much of Iran's northern part and sacked Baghdad although his forces were halted by the Mamluks of Egypt, but Hulagu's descendent Ghazan Khan would return to beat the Egyptian Mamluks right out of Levant, Palestine and even Gaza. According to the works of the Persian historian Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, the Mongols killed more than 70,000 people in Merv and more than 190,000 in Nishapur. In 1237 Batu Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan, launched an invasion into Kievan Rus'. Over the course of three years, the Mongols destroyed and annihilated all of the major cities of Eastern Europe with the exceptions of Novgorodand Pskov.

Giovanni de Plano Carpini, the Pope's envoy to the Mongol Great Khan, traveled through Kiev in February 1246 and wrote:

"They [the Mongols] attacked Rus, where they made great havoc, destroying cities and fortresses and slaughtering men; and they laid siege to Kiev, the capital of Rus; after they had besieged the city for a long time, they took it and put the inhabitants to death. When we were journeying through that land we came across countless skulls and bones of dead men lying about on the ground. Kiev had been a large and heavily populated town, but now it has been reduced almost to nothing, for there are at the present time scarce two hundred houses there and the inhabitants are kept in complete slavery."

[62]

Among the Iranian peoples, Genghis Khan is regarded along with Hulagu and Timur as one of the most despised conquerors in the region.^[63][64]

Although the famous Mughal Emperors were proud descendants of Genghis Khan and particularly Timur, they clearly distanced themselves from the Mongol atrocities committed against the Khwarizim Shahs, Turks, Persians, the citizens of Baghdad and Damascus, Nishapur, Bukhara and historical figures such as Attar of Nishapur and many other notable Muslims. However, Mughal Emperors directly patronized the legacies of Genghis Khan and Timur; together their names were synonymous with the names of other distinguished personalities particularly among the Muslim populations of South Asia.

In much of Russia, Middle East, Korea, China, Ukraine, Poland and Hungary, Genghis Khan and his regime are credited with considerable damage, destruction and loss of population.

 

 

There is a very detailed description of Mongol Destruction in wikipedia.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire

[Ad Nauseaum]

New states have been established like Timurids and Ottomans, Turkish states after fighting with remnants of Mongols.

 

The famous library of Baghdad were set to fire in 1258 by grandson of Genghis Khan. Very valuable books of Islam civilization were lost. Words are not enough to describe Mongol destruction.

That's a fair point in all honesty. I wasn't justifying any of the horrors of the Mongolian conquests, and I didn't intend to wave off their atrocities. I was merely pondering upon the fact that peace and prosperity arose after a devastating conflict. That's all.

[Isimsiz Biri]

That's a fair point in all honesty. I wasn't justifying any of the horrors of the Mongolian conquests, and I didn't intend to wave off their atrocities. I was merely pondering upon the fact that peace and prosperity arose after a devastating conflict. That's all.

 

For the Chinese Yuan Dynasty of Kublai Khan, I agree. But in the west it took 200 years to reach that peace and prosperity, simply repairing the destruction.

[Isimsiz Biri]

With this opportunity, I would like to introduce the great Sufi, Attar of Nishapur.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attar_of_Nishapur

 

and his monumental work "Conference of Birds"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conference_of_the_Birds

 

Attar was a friend of Rumi's father. When Rumi was teenager, Rumi and Attar met in Nishapur.

 

When the Mongols invaded Central Asia sometime between 1215 and 1220, Baha ud-Din Walad, (father of Rumi) with his whole family and a group of disciples, set out westwards. According to hagiographical account which is not agreed upon by all Rumi scholars, Rumi encountered one of the most famous mystic Persian poets, Attar, in the Iranian city of Nishapur, located in the province of Khorāsān. Attar immediately recognized Rumi's spiritual eminence. He saw the father walking ahead of the son and said, "Here comes a sea followed by an ocean."^{[this quote needs a citation]} He gave the boy his Asrārnāma, a book about the entanglement of the soul in the material world. This meeting had a deep impact on the eighteen-year-old Rumi and later on became the inspiration for his works.

 

Attar reached an age of over 70 and died a violent death in the massacre which the Mongols inflicted on Nishapur in April 1221.

 

This is the same date Qiu Chuji was travelling to see Genghis Khan.

 

Even you bring 1 million Genghis Khans together, they will not be equal to a nail of Attar.

 

The letter of Genghis Khan sent to Qiu Chuji does not prove anything. There are kind words such that Genghis Khan was in hope to get the secret of immortality.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Isimsiz Biri

[shanlung]

H

 

In Turkmenistan, there is a city conquered by Genghis Khan. The city was under siege but there was a resistance. There was a river running nearby the city. A woman came to Genghis Khan and told him that she knew the way to conquer the city. He asked her to tell it. The woman told that he should construct a barrier on the river such that the water will flood to the city beyond that barrier. The defenders would surrender. Genghis Khan applied this advice and it really worked. All the civilians and defenders had been killed as in other conquers. What happened to that woman? Genghis Khan said "Behead that woman as nobody can be wiser than me!"

 

If you have just mentioned of the millions killed by Genghis Khan, I probably would not even have bothered to enter the thread as he did kill millions.

 

During the Warring States of China, even without G Khan, 20% of the population were recorded alive at end of that period.

 

I always thought of the saying when elephants fight, the grass suffer. And on top of that, when elephants make love, the grass suffer as well.

 

I just wanted to point out that started when he not only had no recourse from Khwarezmian Shah but even more insults such as the sending back of the ambassadors heads with their turbans nailed into the skull. Why not you take it up with that Shah for the horrors that visited his land? Why beat up Genghis for reacting the way that I probably would have reacted in similar way if I was him? You telling us all you be that much different and laugh and joke over those kind of insults and send more ambassadors to have their heads cut off and turbans nailed to heads and returned to you?

 

How many times you intend to turn your cheek? Until your cheek bone shattered and you keep turning your cheek?

 

And you expect everyone to do it your way and your style?

Genghis Khan valued top people, and Subotei his great general was once fighting against him and yet raised to the level of Field Marshall of Mongols and Genghis sons had to listen to SUbotei. A man paranoid of others smarter than himself would not have such people serving him.

 

What I laugh at is the mealy mouth attempt by the conjured story which existed only in your imagination and not in reality.

Or you telling us all that indeed what you alleged actually occured?

 

And what if you find events to be despicable? What is that to me? That my decisions must depend first on your decisions?

 

 

 

Taoistic Idiot

Even you bring 1 million Genghis Khans together, they will not be equal to a nail of Attar.

 

ROTFLMAO

 

:D

[Isimsiz Biri]

H

 

 

If you have just mentioned of the millions killed by Genghis Khan, I probably would not even have bothered to enter the thread as he did kill millions.

 

During the Warring States of China, even without G Khan, 20% of the population were recorded alive at end of that period.

 

I always thought of the saying when elephants fight, the grass suffer. And on top of that, when elephants make love, the grass suffer as well.

 

I just wanted to point out that started when he not only had no recourse from Khwarezmian Shah but even more insults such as the sending back of the ambassadors heads with their turbans nailed into the skull. Why not you take it up with that Shah for the horrors that visited his land? Why beat up Genghis for reacting the way that I probably would have reacted in similar way if I was him? You telling us all you be that much different and laugh and joke over those kind of insults and send more ambassadors to have their heads cut off and turbans nailed to heads and returned to you?

 

How many times you intend to turn your cheek? Until your cheek bone shattered and you keep turning your cheek?

 

And you expect everyone to do it your way and your style?

 

Genghis Khan valued top people, and Subotei his great general was once fighting against him and yet raised to the level of Field Marshall of Mongols and Genghis sons had to listen to SUbotei. A man paranoid of others smarter than himself would not have such people serving him.

 

What I laugh at is the mealy mouth attempt by the conjured story which existed only in your imagination and not in reality.

Or you telling us all that indeed what you alleged actually occured?

 

And what if you find events to be despicable? What is that to me? That my decisions must depend first on your decisions?

 

 

 

Taoistic Idiot

 

 

ROTFLMAO

 

:D

 

Genghis Khan was a demon of Satan. If you love him. Feel free. Laugh over the skulls he left, it is very funny isn't it?

[shanlung]

Genghis Khan was a demon of Satan. If you love him. Feel free. Laugh over the skulls he left, it is very funny isn't it?

 

 

Who is Satan?

 

He exist? Like that story about that woman and flooding of a city?

 

Only inside your head?

You trying to make Satan exist together with demons ?

They lived in the city that was flooded?

 

I think I have enough of your thoughts which are also so boring.

The best place for you is inside an ignore bin.

 

Byebye

[Isimsiz Biri]

Who is Satan?

 

He exist? Like that story about that woman and flooding of a city?

 

Only inside your head?

You trying to make Satan exist together with demons ?

They lived in the city that was flooded?

 

I think I have enough of your thoughts which are also so boring.

The best place for you is inside an ignore bin.

 

Byebye

 

Exactly. You are so boring. Go and have a drink with your lovely Genghis Khan.

 

Side note for interesting parties, please refer to following link for Yaoguai, Chinese term for demon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoguai

 

one can also refer to following link for Di Yu, hell in Chinese mythology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di_Yu

 

So demons and hell can also be found in Chinese beliefs.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Isimsiz Biri

[Marblehead]

I'm surprised that emotions have been roused in this thread.

[Isimsiz Biri]

I'm surprised that emotions have been roused in this thread.

 

Me too. Unbelievable. As if that demon Genghis Khan had to kill millions of civilians but he had no other choice? That maniac ordered the people to be butchered. Yet there is someone who can defend him. I am curious if Shanlung can also defend Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Isimsiz Biri

[Marblehead]

Hehehe. I see your emotions are good to go.