Sayings of Meister Eckhart declared as heresy by the Vatican

[Jetsun]

Seeing as the Vatican banned these sayings and as it was the period of the inquisition there was a real danger in saying them I suspect they are probably important with regards to the truth:

1 . On being asked why God did not create the world earlier, he

answered then as now that God could not have created the world

earlier because nothing can operate before it is. Therefore, as

soon as God was, He created the world.

2. Likewise, it may be admitted that the world has existed from all

eternity.

3 . Likewise: At once, and as soon as God was, when He begot His

coeternal Son as God fully equal to Himself, He also created

the world.

4. Likewise: In every act, even evil, in the evil of punishment just

as much as in the evil of guilt, God's glory is equally revealed

and shines forth.

5. Likewise: Whoever reviles anyone with abuse, he praises God

through this very abuse, and the more he abuses and the worse

he sins, the more he praises God.

6. Likewise: Even he who blasphemes against God praises God.

7. Likewise: Whoever prays for this or that, prays for something

evil and in evil wise, for he prays for the denial of good and the

denial of God, and he prays for God to deny Himself to him.

8. Those who seek nothing, neither honor nor profit nor inwardness

nor holiness nor reward nor heaven, but who have

renounced all this, including what is their own - in such men

God is glorified.

9. I recently wondered whether I should accept or desire anything

from God. I will consider this very carefully, because if I received

anything from God I would be beneath Him or below Him like

a servant or slave, but He in giving would be like a master and

it should not be thus with us in eternal life.

10 . We are fully transformed and converted into God; in the same

way as in the sacrament the bread is converted into the body of

Christ, so I am converted into Him, so that He converts me into

His being as one, not as like. By the living God it is true that

there is no difference.

11 . All that God the Father gave His only-begotten Son in human

nature He has given me: I except nothing, neither union nor

holiness; He has given me everything as to him.

12. Everything that Holy Scripture says of Christ is entirely true of

every good and holy man.

13 . All that is proper to the divine nature is also proper to the just

and godly man; therefore such a man performs everything that

God performs, and he has created heaven and earth together

with God, and he is a begetter of the eternal Word, and God

could do nothing without such a man.

14. The good man should so conform his will to the divine will that

he wills everything that God wills. And since God in a certain

sense wills that I should have sinned, I should not wish to have

committed no sins. And that is true penitence.

15 . If a man had committed a thousand mortal sins, and if that

man were in a proper state, he should not wish not to have

committed them.

16. There is something in the soul that is uncreated and uncreatable.

If the whole soul were of such a nature she would be uncreated

and uncreatable. This is the intellect.

17. God is neither good nor better nor best. When I call God good

I speak as falsely as if I were to call white black.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

[silent thunder]

mmmm love me some meister...

[Taomeow]

Here's a bit of his "oral transmissions" -- from sermons he gave in Strasbourg which some people transcribed. He sounds very Zen.

I pray to God to rid me of God.

God is within, we are without.

The eye through which I see God and the eye through which God sees me is the same eye.

He is He because He is not He. This cannot be understood by the outer man, only the inner man.

Find the one desire behind all desires.

God is at home. It is we who have gone out for a walk.

Through nothing I become what I am.

Only the hand that erases can write the true thing.

Edited October 16, 2013 by Taomeow

[Jadespear]

Yeah lets not forget the inquisition.... who is evil again? Non-believers, or Sadistic torturers..a.k.a "The entire Catholic church"...who continue to employ child molesters and known criminals in the name of "forgiveness". So dumb.

[Seth Ananda]

Yeah lets not forget the inquisition.... who is evil again? Non-believers, or Sadistic torturers..a.k.a "The entire Catholic church"...who continue to employ child molesters and known criminals in the name of "forgiveness". So dumb.

Um this thread is about Meister Echart, not about your problems with the church.

 

Can you please stop trolling every 'christian' thread here in the Hermetic section with all your "christians are stupid blah blah..." we have heard it all before and you are not even particularly good at saying it.

 

This is the Hermetic and Occult subforum. The people here are not mainstream christians, do not support the inquisition, do not support pedophile priests, but wish to discuss the various branches that grew from Hermetic thought. Christian Mysticism is one of them.

[Taomeow]

Seth, in this case the sentiment is perhaps brought about by the fact that Meister Eckhart was accused of heresy and died while on trial for his life.

[Jetsun]

"When we say 'Thy kingdom come, thy will be done', we are praying to God to deprive us of ourselves"

 

"You must give up yourself, altogether give up self, and then you have really given up."

 

-Meister Eckhart