Question about Night troubles..

[DustWalker]

Hi.

 

Finally a forum that seems to informed, serious and friendly enough!

 

A few questions from a newcomer.

 

Doing baduanjing, taichi classical yang style + sometimes some of the static postures and initial circlewalking from the yin style bagua system as my nightly repertoire before going to bed.

 

A few times during the month I notice a slight uneasiness, nonspecific anxiety in my body that usually builds up to the sensation of some force grabbing hold of me/my feet/or my nervous-system, it can begin with an odd muscle jerk or spasm in my leg or something.. (All this is while in between awake and falling asleep or waking up from this..) sometimes it feels as if I have to call up all my strenght to control my body from not going of my conscious control and I hurry to switch on my lamp, when I switch on the light this all goes away.. but it feels as if something is trying to take over my body..

 

I am aware that this might be my astral (subtle body) trying to leave the body as in astral projection.. But yesterday it felt as if it was some presence/force there trying to interfere/interact with me in some way.

I'm feeling scared without knowing why/without a reason (i.e. my subcoscious seems to be scared)

 

I've had similar experiences in earlier times while doing kabbalistic and hermetic meditations.

 

Does this sound familliar to any one of you? Ideas?

 

Regards.

/DustWalker

[Yoda]

I use my dreams for primary feedback--if they get weird or consistently unpleasant then I need to back off or change something. If they are ho-hum I should add more fuel to the fire.

 

They are good feedback, as I'm not always honest or sensitive with my in-the-moment feeling vibe, so they are sort of the next level in the vibe feedback system, and then the next level is the events in my life being to my satisfaction or not if I really refuse to see something.

 

That's the system that I use.

 

So my guess would be to back off a bit until your dreamlife improves.

 

Keep us posted!

-Yoda

[DustWalker]

Hi Yoda and thanks for the quick reply!

 

However I think I did not really express myself clearly as these sensations are not of the dream realm, but manifest themselves while trying to fall asleep or when I'm on the verge of entering sleep. So again these are very real sensations and feelings that I experience while lying in my bed and trying to fall asleep.

[rex]

Hi Dustwalker, I've also had a few experiences in that intermediate state between waking and sleeping. Just a few questions for clarification:

 

1) Do these experiences in the betwixt state occur only when you do some sort of energy/spiritual exercise? What part of the month do they occur in - at the end, the beginning or fairly evenly distributed?

 

2) Are you ever woken up in the night with these sensations? If so, do they occur at the same time each night? What are your dreams like just before and after these experiences?

 

2) Can you identify a time when they first started to occur? Can you link them to any specific practice? Have you always done your enegry/spirtual work in the same house/location?

 

3) Do you feel specifically threatened? Or is it more of a general anxiety of not being used to unfamilar sensations? Does the intensity of the experience increase with every occurrence?

 

Where are all these questions leading to you may ask? Well depending on the answers it may be possible to hazard a guess as to whether you are encountering some sort of presence or it's your energy body just doing it's thing (or maybe even both).

 

If you feel really threatened when it's happening and have some sort spiritual faith try reciting a prayer/mantra while connecting to your sense of the divine. If the encounter triggers negative feelings in you that try to block/sabotage your access to the divine maintain a sense of distance/humour and continue connecting anyway - a simple faith and a genuine call for assistance while under duress is not a waste of time even if all sorts of hostile feelings to the divine are seemingly rising in you. Dion Fortune's Psychic Self Defence is also good to read, get it here:

http://www.merkez-emlak.com/hermetics/pdf/...elf_Defense.pdf

 

I hope this has given you some ideas. Do feel free to ask questions.

 

rex

[neimad]

you probably have entities attached to you.

[DustWalker]

Hmmm.. thanks Neimad.

 

What a comforting response. :?

 

Could you be a bit more thorough in your reply? Can you give me some sound advice of what to do about the situation? what do you base your assumption on? Any resources for me to check out?

 

Regards

Dustwalker

[DustWalker]

As for Rex questions:

 

1) Do these experiences in the betwixt state occur only when you do some sort of energy/spiritual exercise? What part of the month do they occur in - at the end, the beginning or fairly evenly distributed?

No, not only when doing energy/spiritual work although they seem amplified sometimes by this. Haven't kept any notes on this unfortunately. Fairly even but usually grouped in 1 to 2-3 nights together.. Not sure if beginnning or end of month. now I could hardly sleep during the monday because of this, and I had it a couple of nights the week before that.

2) Are you ever woken up in the night with these sensations? If so, do they occur at the same time each night? What are your dreams like just before and after these experiences?

It has happened. Don't think they happen at the same time but same thing goes here.. haven't really thought about that. Nothing special with the dreams anyway.

 

2) Can you identify a time when they first started to occur? Can you link them to any specific practice? Have you always done your enegry/spirtual work in the same house/location?

Yes rather not long after beginning meditationwork 3 years ago or so.

One early theory I had was that these things started to happen because at the time I was meditating in my bed, where I was also sleeping back then. I generally think that is not a such a good idea anymore. No, I have moved around location-wise, so not only in one place.

 

3) Do you feel specifically threatened? Or is it more of a general anxiety of not being used to unfamilar sensations? Does the intensity of the experience increase with every occurrence?

Both.. Sometimes I only get the energetic feeling in my body and I can from here go in to a meditative state instead of sleep if I wish to do so. However at other times this anxiety feeling usually precedes these feelings of being a bit threatened. Its no rational fear as I'm not afraid of anything special. However at the times when I've felt myself almost not being able to control my body I've felt a certain ego-death fear. As to If I'm not putting on the ligth in a few seconds I might loose control over myself and loose my ego.

 

Well there ya go. What do you boys & girls make of it?

 

Looking forward to any sound constructive input. Cheers

[turbo]

Hey Rex,

 

You ever look any deeper on that site with the Psychic Self Defense book you linked to? (http://merkez-emlak.com/hermetics/pdf/)

 

There are some interesting pdf files in there. Looks like serious Hermetic magic[k](?) literature. Pretty interesting, looks like its based on the kaballa stuff i've seen before, but it goes muuuuch further than anything I've seen in a new age bookstore. Are you familiar with this stuff?

 

Cheers,

Turbo

[Callan]

Hi Dustwalker,

I've had experiences exactly like the ones you're describing and as far as I'm concerned they're nothing to do with psychic attacks or entities. It sounds like the practices you're doing are starting to work. When a new part of your body starts opening up you almost always get fear along with it as this is why it closed in the first place! Most peoples reaction to fear is for their consciousness to leave their bodies, so it can feel like you are being pulled out. Practices like Ba Gua are great for building a strong centre so you can allow the fear to be there and still stay in your body. It's a symptom of your body opening to allow more energy in. It's a good thing. If you are interested 'The fear book' by cheri Huber is worth a look.

[rex]

[Yoda]

Callan--

 

A Scott! Killer! Yoda is primarily Scottish blood! I married a Norwegian, though...

 

I agree with your post too.

 

I'd just add that if it's too freaky, just take it as a sign of the power of your practice, but do back off or change if you need to.

 

Some people get off on high voltage, others need more pacifying stuff and everyone needs balance.

 

-Yoda

[rex]

[DustWalker]

Callan! Thanks for your answer. This was more the thing I was hoping to hear. Its nice to know that other people also experience these things and that It's nothing to worry about.

[rex]

Hi Dustwalker, I've sent you a meassge but don't know if it worked :roll:

rex

[Guest Guest_Turbo_*]

Rex,

 

There is some truly strange suff in there, strange is not the right term, more like advanced on a path I'm not familiar with.

 

One interesting and understandable intro is here:

http://merkez-emlak.com/hermetics/pdf/mystical_qabala.pdf

 

Makes a lot of sense, I've only read Ch 1 & 2 tho. But he has an interesting perspective on people and the Quaballah system, in relation to Christianity and Biddhism.

 

Yeah, some of the stuff looks downright creepy and possibly evil (i guess it depend on your intent), and nothing to fuck around with without proper guidance.

 

Cheers,

turbo

[rex]

Hi Turbo,

 

The Mystical Qabalah comes well recomended. Chapter two basically says 'a rose

of the west shouldn't blossom like a lotus of the east'. For the times the book

was written and with the information available back then (1935) it was probably

a valid argument. For present day Christians with a specialised spiritual

vocation whose qabalistic work is inseperable from their religious faith this is

still a powerful argument. I don't think it applies to today's seekers who

haven't been able to make a strong connection to Christianity as they don't

necessarily give up western values just because they take up some form of

eastern spiritual practice. Also although the symbolism differs when it comes to

motivation and methods Christian Qabalah and Tibetan Buddhism are very similar.

 

All the best,

rex