"It's not reiki but..."

[Brian]

This came about a bit oddly, as happens so often now...

 

At lunch today, a co-worker who has recently started learning kempo was asking some questions about my qigong practice and another co-worker (who happens to be in that same kempo class) asked the common question, "So, like reiki, right?"

 

I started my response with "It's not reiki but..." and I then told a little about stillness-movement -- but in the back of my head I was thinking, "I know reiki isn't discussed much on TTB but when I get back in the office I'll spend a few minutes searching for what Bums have said about it."

 

Then the odd part -- I do an instinctive "View New Content" before searching and, Lo and Behold! There's a new reiki thread at the top of the list! Not only that but it is describing "reiki tummo" (which I've never heard of) and it sounds much closer to the way S-M works than my previous understanding of reiki.

 

So...

 

Rather than search for scraps, I decided to ask a question -- and rather than highjack someone else's thread, I'm starting a new one.

 

Who has experience with both and can give me a brief introductory compare/contrast on some of the similarities and differences between stillness-movement and reiki (and/or reiki tummo)? I'm not asking for better vs. worse type of responses (please?) but for a better understanding so I can better respond to this recurring question from people who have heard of reiki but not other systems of energetic healing.

 

(FWIW, sometimes saying "it's kinda like acupuncture but without needles" clears wrinkled brows, I've noticed...)

 

Thanks in advance!

Brian

[Ish]

Well i think most forms of reiki speak about channeling the universal energy to heal people - so one does not deplete oneself and just acts as a conduit.

 

So quite different to stillness-movement. In fact i think Michael made a post a while back about this...

[gendao]

Well i think most forms of reiki speak about channeling the universal energy to heal people - so one does not deplete oneself and just acts as a conduit.

Yes, I think the method focuses on just channeling/being the qi to heal...but AFAIK they don't practice any qi cultivation. The simplicity of this technique thus attracts a lot of energy n00bs, but also leads some "harder core" cultivators to question its power, effectiveness or safety..

 

To the general public though, it is probably a suitably familiar example of "hands-on" energy healing sufficient for conceptual comparisons.

Edited October 11, 2013 by vortex

[Friend]

This came about a bit oddly, as happens so often now...

 

At lunch today, a co-worker who has recently started learning kempo was asking some questions about my qigong practice and another co-worker (who happens to be in that same kempo class) asked the common question, "So, like reiki, right?"

 

It is difficult to discern sind the System are using

similar concept.

 

霊気 = Reiki

Indeed it works with Ki 気 which is the same for Qi and Rei 霊.

In Chinese it would be Ling Qi "靈氣".

"Spirit Energy" would be a proper word for this.

 

The energy used is specific frequency from the outside.

There is the concept of "Sick Qi", this why handwashing is needed

after a session.

 

There exist many lineage because of individuals

creating their own Reiki System.

Reiki has developed to the point to attune to specific frequency

in addition what the "traditional", the teacher has passed down.

The User acts as channel supposed to not working

with ones own lifeforce.

Maybe that has changed now in the current time

because of the Reiki Mixing Creating Generation.

 

Besides of Symbols in Tradition which was meant to boost

the development to pass the original levels faster without.

They are just for help, later one should be able to do

the same feat without any Symbols.

 

The situation is now the lineage is already for about some

generation difficult to trace.

The success of the current lineage depends on the merit

of doing the same time and effort and methods as the

former teachers and their teachers.

 

The Reiki is much as the name on the Spirit to create

rules around a energy which then can be passed

to the next person.

 

Actually one pass a information based construct.

When the Reikipractioner meditates a lot he can

can develop himself as channel.

The exercise is to tune to the energy one work

often the Reiki. The energybody is changing

because of the opitimizing the energybody

to work with Reiki.

 

If one works with different Energytypes

the energybody may built things that

affect the internal energy and and its system

negativ.

 

This is especially a warning for those

who work with internal methods.

 

If one generation degenerate because of lack of

the methods to keep the energybody setting

as it was pass down or let become greater

then one the generation has to work with less

quality.

 

So one may has an up and down.

 

You can say Reiki is Intentionqigong.

It is same as a Ritual where one give a motion

or a thing a function.

Example on place a palm on X and the Y should be

happening.

 

Since the apply on oneself of the 12 Handpostures

one get the idea more anchored with the Handposture.

By giving example and passing the lineage one

can use this idea of the former.

The problem is that the teacher is passing his energysystem

of Reiki.

 

The receiver will inherit a energysetting as it was given

like a tool depending on the cabillity to transfer energybased information

(everyone can do this) with clarity and intensity.

Getting Reiki passed over is to use something that was constructed

especially for that case.

 

Starting a new lineage is pretty easy with this.

 

The problem is old lineages have the advantage

of less mixing and carefull filtering those who pass

the clarity of the tools, since thousands of years

maybe, each generation staying pure and getting stronger.

 

Also there is specific research for the own techniques

of what works, which direction and reduce of danger.

 

Unfortunately Reiki when it passed by teachers

who are narrow channel will may induce the

energy projection and internal energy may be

used up and exchanged with the receiver.

 

The receiver get the projector energy

and may get the same illness as the receiver

instead. He has to do more exercise

to get back to the state before doing Reiki

for this patient he treated.

 

Another thing is that energytypes that

are connected to Reiki are influence type

like when one use a Prism to get

a certain frequency.

 

Different than regain the lifeforce

by alchemy with gathering, flow

purifying, storing and apply.

 

You can say those who Project generally when

learn Qigong do project their own

force in most case if their is no energetical

lineage behind, they burn up themselves

when they are good in projection

reduce their liferesource energy.

 

To project they have to go through the

alchemical transformation of

various energy, by winning them

from reproduction, food, air,

body exercise, mediation etc.

Which needs time and effort.

 

Qigong masters arent produced

in some years or Intensiv weekend of Reiki,

They are are those who

can give remarkable results to

suprise scientist after more than a decade.

 

The energylineage in Qigong as it is in Reiki

is different to be produced by several generations

who work with affecting the internal energies.

Which not many lineage can do.

 

Often what is passed are forms that affect

the flow of energyflow. Because of fortunate

by sideeffects of celibacy, stillness,full lotus, horsestance

breathing exercise and good lifestyle gain

some latent abillity and health in altering the energyflow

setting and repattern of the energybody.

 

But passing the "merit of the generation";

the energybased information to optimal use the form

and practise or use it on more refined level by having

the enery work from inside to outside

- is rare.

 

One take high risk if there is

no map or navigation or guide.

With doing the exercise alone one just walk.

No direction only the saying of someone

who walked the road.

 

 

Qigong is a vast theme.

An umbrella term for various sort of practise which

affects energy, breathing,life care, health, power etc.

So one has to be careful to explain the specific type

of Qigong form of a lineage in a certain generation.

 

Stillnessmovement Qigong can be explained by

explaining as it is explained as Stillnessmovement Qigong

and even now I have to say it would be more specific

to call it now Micheal Lomax Stillnessmovement Qigong

to state the development stage which differs from

Master Wang Juemin Stillnessmovement Qigong.

 

It is same energetics like a computersystem wont

change in the structure but the software is added,

upgrade, scanned, defragmented. The things

are based on the Stillnessmovment Qigong.

 

For example Master Wang had five animal play

but Sifu Lomax doesnt has but instead having Baduajin by

Chen Panling and Isometic Qigong by Dr.Graef and the Gift of Tao.

 

So when one try to differ and compare something the things

one talk about one need to know about and be specific.

This is especially difficult if one talk about old lineages as

a beginner.

 

Actually each system shares to the current generation

their knowledge to make use of laws they found and how to alter them.

 

Comparism is best done by someone who master both system

which are talked about which is again individual by what has been

perceived or was important for that master to talk about the topic.

 

The others may have explaination with flaws and superficial

understanding but maybe it is enough to give a hint about that matter.

 

So back to the kempo man saying something like Reiki.

Can be yes.

 

One can say :It is part discipline of some Qigong

and some Qigong doesnt use its concepts.

 

So one can give the idea that Qigong is something more general.

 

I started my response with "It's not reiki but..." and I then told a little about stillness-movement -- but in the back of my head I was thinking, "I know reiki isn't discussed much on TTB but when I get back in the office I'll spend a few minutes searching for what Bums have said about it."

 

Then the odd part -- I do an instinctive "View New Content" before searching and, Lo and Behold! There's a new reiki thread at the top of the list! Not only that but it is describing "reiki tummo" (which I've never heard of) and it sounds much closer to the way S-M works than my previous understanding of reiki.

 

So...

 

Rather than search for scraps, I decided to ask a question -- and rather than highjack someone else's thread, I'm starting a new one.

 

Who has experience with both and can give me a brief introductory compare/contrast on some of the similarities and differences between stillness-movement and reiki (and/or reiki tummo)? I'm not asking for better vs. worse type of responses (please?) but for a better understanding so I can better respond to this recurring question from people who have heard of reiki but not other systems of energetic healing.

 

(FWIW, sometimes saying "it's kinda like acupuncture but without needles" clears wrinkled brows, I've noticed...)

 

Thanks in advance!

Brian

[Ya Mu]

Wish it were easy to find previous posts as I have posted on this.

 

Your "Like acupuncture but without needles" is a good explanation to folks who have no idea what it is about.

If you haven't started seeing sick qi you will soon. Most reiki doesn't understand sick qi although some systems have started adopting this. I have seen just one whole heck of a lot of reiki practitioners in clinic who had sick qi kickback. Not good.

 

The reality is most reiki is kindergarten while Stillness-Movement medical qigong is hospital and clinic based graduate school. EDIT TO ADD: We have many techniques to treat many different dis-ease processes.

 

Raising the energy body vibrational rate and transmuting energy to what is needed versus "channeling" energy - two totally different things.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Ya Mu

[Brian]

Thank you all!

 

Friend & Ya Mu, your comments are,especially helpful.

 

I am seeing sick qi sporadically at this point. Same with energy-bodies...

 

Reiki seems to be the form of energy healing most often heard of in my part of the world right now and having a solid basis for contrast will be valuable to me. (The Asheville area is very new-age...)

[de_paradise]

Friend, great info. Do you do a Masters Thesis on this stuff?

Ya Mu, why is it that Reiki people are getting the sick qi kickback? Is it as Friend says, that there is some kind of blending of one's own qi to the channeled qi due to the lineage getting worse, and also that they perhaps don't practice enough to keep the right channels open?

[mjjbecker]

In Chinese it would be Ling Qi "靈氣".

"Spirit Energy" would be a proper word for this.

 

Hmmm.

 

In my experience though such Chinese methods of healing have protection from 'evil influences' incorporated into them. It seems from what YaMu said that this is something lacking in many Reiki methods.

 

I have a book on Reiki somewhere (well, a few thousand miles away at the moment) and, while I have only scanned through it, the method seemed quite different from 'authodox' Chinese practice.

 

Raising the energy body vibrational rate

 

Orthodox Chinese 'ling gong' methods do indeed do this. Purple and golden light...

 

Friend, great info. Do you do a Masters Thesis on this stuff?

Ya Mu, why is it that Reiki people are getting the sick qi kickback? Is it as Friend says, that there is some kind of blending of one's own qi to the channeled qi due to the lineage getting worse, and also that they perhaps don't practice enough to keep the right channels open?

 

I think, from what I've learned from different sources, is that the manner in which the healer connects with the person being healed is very significant.

[Ya Mu]

Friend, great info. Do you do a Masters Thesis on this stuff?

Ya Mu, why is it that Reiki people are getting the sick qi kickback? Is it as Friend says, that there is some kind of blending of one's own qi to the channeled qi due to the lineage getting worse, and also that they perhaps don't practice enough to keep the right channels open?

Sick qi kickback is going to happen to anyone who is actually powerful enough to displace the sick qi from the patient's body. As mjjbecker says, most Chinese methods have a built in method of dealing with this. In Stillness-Movement practice we have more than one way of dealing with this. Most Stillness-Movement practitioners get to where they see the sick qi.

Most of the reiki I have seen in the past did not recognize that such a thing as sick qi existed.

 

As I said earlier, a few of the reiki systems are appearing to adopt a recognition. Many reiki practitioners are not powerful enough to displace the sick qi - therefore they do not get sick. Those who are can get sick and this is usually over a period of time. All this is depending on one's health, depending on one's age and genetic tendencies, depending if one practices qigong, etc.

 

A percentage of people are "naturals" in that they brought a certain amount of energy with them when they incarnated here. It wouldn't matter for them if someone held their hand over their head and called them "master" (which is a joke as this does not happen) as they already have certain abilities. These folks that get trapped in a system that does not provide information concerning sick qi and ARE powerful enough to displace the sick qi from people's bodies can unfortunately absorb it. Depending on one's health, depending on one's age and genetic tendencies, depending if one practices qigong (then they are doing qigong healing) these folk often, over a period of time, get very sick. In massage therapy reiki is often taught, due to its simplicity, in the massage schools. In the USA there is an 80% dropout of massage therapists inside of 10 years. A very large part of this percentage is due to the massage therapist absorbing sick qi.

 

Energy healing is not something to be played around with - it IS serious business. In fact, I suggest to everyone inquiring to NOT do it unless they feel a calling in their heart. That said, I do believe in the concept of the family healer - a person in each family who can take care of minor to major problems within the family. If a person only works on a single patient in one day - depending on the nature of the illness, usually sick qi kickback is not so much concern unless the person who is doing the work has any type of problem. Sick qi tends to go weak areas in the body.

[xor]

Very good info here. Only person I know of personally who's doing reiki says he always gets sick after healing people but he then goes on to heal himself.

 

Wish I knew this better before my short adventure in energy healing some years back. I intuitively knew I could get sick from doing it and what do you know I now have some "damage" in the area I was trying to heal. Same with the person that was doing it with me.

Edited October 12, 2013 by xor

[Friend]

Friend, great info. Do you do a Masters Thesis on this stuff?

^^ no De_Paradise,

I am not qualified to do Master Thesis,

I am just ditzy Friend.

 

Hmmm.

 

In my experience though such Chinese methods of healing have protection from 'evil influences' incorporated into them. It seems from what YaMu said that this is something lacking in many Reiki methods.

 

I have a book on Reiki somewhere (well, a few thousand miles away at the moment) and, while I have only scanned through it, the method seemed quite different from 'authodox' Chinese practice.

Indeed MJJB, protection is not only in chinese methods of healing but

actually even part of the particular lineage the methods come from.

Actually the methods come from are not only for healing but as well

from lineage doing magic wars, lineage fighting.

Things like Golden Light Mantra is creating gold and purple.

 

There was or is a Tai Chi Teacher

who wrote a five euro book from UK.

 

He said that people do not protect themselves-.

Doing Tai Chi or Qigong need protection from what he expirienced

because of the Ritual Type of movement and repetition.

He suggest to create a sphere around oneself to keep bad influence out.

 

When I compare what I know in the past with now

I would say Qigong appeart to be callinestics that move energy

with meditation making them with hard work

may gain power and health.

 

In that time I know only You Wei methods which

better known as Qigong Forms.

The teachers are better mentioned as

"form instructors" who are do something

one copy in movement with static explained.

 

This I would call orthodox.

Some greater teacher can pass their cultivated

energy to the students and open points.

 

Meanwhile those methods which are linked with Hidden Schools are passing

their methods as well oral only and energetics with the form.

Creating a Dantien by high level Teacher, is already a very unorthodox method

in my understanding compared with methods to cultivate a dantien by practise only

and by adding energy from the teacher in years or a decade or amassing energy

in an unrefined Dantienfield.

Some schools pass golden light field like the Xiao Yao Pai.

 

A fun insert on Sick Qi:

Even in Germany it is rarely know that pigs can neutralize Sick Qi.

It is said that a grey smoke is coming out when one sleep beside them

when on is ill and it will get into the pig, the pig then sigh than the Sick Qi

is neutralize. Great Qigong masters the pigs.

This is where the word is say to have luck a:

"Schwein gehabt" = "Pig Had"

End of insert.

 

p.S: Spider Pig.... Spider Pig......

 

 

 

I think, from what I've learned from different sources, is that the manner in which the healer connects with the person being healed is very significant.

There is good explaination by Toshihiko Yayama in his Book Qi Healing

as well Starr Fuentes saying that EGO has to be kept out from healing

which is also said by Sifu Lomax : "May the will of Light be done".

 

Another teacher of me said it a bit indirect:

"We posses all free will but this ends where the free will of the other

individual starts. If it is the will of me and you to have this healed

then let it happen."

 

I will sum up what Dr. Yayama says as it is very useful to know:

1.Strong Ego : Healer takes the sympthoms. The energyquality is low.

One try to force it into the patient and the patient gets a limited amount

because of resistance to forcing.

2.Neutral : Having only only own enery and qi is neither low or high

one still take the sympthoms. Also the healer gets easy tired.

3.Oneness between Healer and Patient, one stop to take over the sympthoms

but one still get tired. Energy is better in quality.

4. Trust and compassion for selfness healing which is better than point 3.

5.Ego is none and the healer connects like a waterdrop into the ocean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2013 by Friend

[Ish]

Wow! I never knew pigs were so awesome!

[earth]

I have practiced Usui Reiki off and on for 15 years (level II). Honestly, I have only had one time where I felt poorly or 'sick' after a session, and the person I was working on had serious, deep emotional issues. Otherwise, it has always left me feeling energized. As far as energy collection, I personally do Iron Shirt Qigong and microcosmic orbit before hands-on healing, so perhaps this helps as a buffer? Great discussion!

[Thunder_Gooch]

This came about a bit oddly, as happens so often now...

 

At lunch today, a co-worker who has recently started learning kempo was asking some questions about my qigong practice and another co-worker (who happens to be in that same kempo class) asked the common question, "So, like reiki, right?"

 

I started my response with "It's not reiki but..." and I then told a little about stillness-movement -- but in the back of my head I was thinking, "I know reiki isn't discussed much on TTB but when I get back in the office I'll spend a few minutes searching for what Bums have said about it."

 

Then the odd part -- I do an instinctive "View New Content" before searching and, Lo and Behold! There's a new reiki thread at the top of the list! Not only that but it is describing "reiki tummo" (which I've never heard of) and it sounds much closer to the way S-M works than my previous understanding of reiki.

 

So...

 

Rather than search for scraps, I decided to ask a question -- and rather than highjack someone else's thread, I'm starting a new one.

 

Who has experience with both and can give me a brief introductory compare/contrast on some of the similarities and differences between stillness-movement and reiki (and/or reiki tummo)? I'm not asking for better vs. worse type of responses (please?) but for a better understanding so I can better respond to this recurring question from people who have heard of reiki but not other systems of energetic healing.

 

(FWIW, sometimes saying "it's kinda like acupuncture but without needles" clears wrinkled brows, I've noticed...)

 

Thanks in advance!

Brian

Here is a Reiki master.

 

 

 

Might as well be stillness movement though lol.

[Brian]

Thanks, MPG! I appreciate your input as usual.

[Friend]

I have input and was question "Ling Qi" again,

 

which I found here

 

http://www.pathgate.org/dharma-qigong-a-martial-arts/a-brief-introduction-to-qigong/101-how-many-types-of-human-energy-are-there.html

 

Taken from link above:

 

"The third type: ling qi (supramundane essence), also known as ling shen (supramundane spirit) is the subtlest of all human energies. The cultivation of ling qi should only ever commence after the amalgamation of xian tian qi and hou tian qi has been suitably refined and converted into shen (primordial essence). When all the dan tiens - energy centres which store and generate qi in the body - are suitably activated whereby the primordial essence (water qi) from the lower dan tien links up with the temporal energy (fire qi) at the middle dan tien to energise the spirit (shen) at the upper dan tien to produce an energy of pure radiance, a process known as ‘three flowers congregating at the apex’ will eventually occur, leading to the energisation of the mystical pass - a point of being at which the duality of thought ceases to matter, the influences of the material realm dissipate, and the cognition of the ultimate truth begins to emerge.

 

The attainment of this pure, ultra subtlest ling qi - often referred to as an embryo of the supramundane path - heralds the commencement of the higher practice of True Awakening which includes the developing of skill in thought transference which conveys one’s consciousness beyond the limitation of time, space and matter, even beyond the degeneration of body at death."

 

One has to remember that there is influence from Longmenpai.

Also this is what Michael Lomax says :

 

"The Teacher energetically works with each student to give them a “spark” or initialization of the dan tian with Lineage oriented Heavenly vibrations. The student then goes home and works with this on his own. As the student does his homework the energy there gets denser and denser, glowing brighter and brighter. SEERS see this as once the energy gets to a specific density and vibration, it rises up through the body, opening each energy center in a natural non-traumatic and safe manner. Note this differs significantly from any type of forced method. Once the energy does that it pops out of the top of the head and connects us with Tao (source, Heaven, any number of words utilized in different explanations). When we reach this point we then learn to “dance in the Wu Wei”. I call this process “Listening”… "

 

quote from http://medicalqigonguk.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/just-what-is-nei-gong/

(should I mention you or not, since you not include it in the forum)

 

There is acutally one teacher who can back up and elaborate this:

BaoLin Wu, one of the Lineageholders from Longmenpai.

In both his puplished books about "Qigong for Total Wellness" and his book about Feng Shui "Lighting the Eye of the Dragon"

he speaks about "Ling" and the Modell he has fit the saying of what Stillness Movement Lineage Holder Michael Lomax said.

 

The elaboration about "why" it happend as above :

The modell speak of seperation of the Ling with having two parts: one in heaven and one on earth when having birth.

By bringing the two half together one "connects with universal information" and this is something where "Listening"

comes into play.

This information is better understood by reading the Feng Shui Book by Baolin Wu which includes some exercise

to "read" the Qi of the Enviroment and the key to understand is to be able to project Ling outside of the body

to communicate with it.

One piece of important information is about the body's role to be "firmly connected" with one own Ling Qi to find Wisdom

and guidance.

 

The special is then Stillnessmovement Qigong unify this part by only doing actually only one exercise: The Jing Dong Gong

of this lineage.

Because of the transmission Xian Tian and Hou Tian is passed and directly cultivates Ling Qi.

 

Then the Ling Qi in chinese and the Reiki with the same word is not same type.

By lately able to discern the various schools Qi in my body (yuck, dont cultivate so many types and get healings

from different schools and persons).

The Ling is do the connection as Michael Lomax said when I tune into it.

The Reiki is something which centers itself in the head and cause a raise of awarness.

 

I am only wondering why in humans Ling seem to be very densed while in animals and plants

they are filling their bodies and surround while flowing in and out it while dead bodies have it at least inside covering fully

the body.

It need so a condition of Ziran (naturalness as it is in wild animals) and Wu Wei (which our mind is differing us from trees, stones and animals and as I assume interfering). Without getting contact and linking with the other half one can not know ones destiny

and become a Zhen Ren (true human) because of incompleteness.

Becoming complete is actually true healing.

 

So this is how I understand Stillnessmovement being a High Level Qigong, High Level Energetics with minimum input

but maximum out (which I personally as I am not so bright only then understand the words in the "A Light Warrior's Guide to

High Level Energy Healing" book with the thoughts : "He said it before and its so plain and simple that I dont grasp the meaning,

knowing but difficult to comprehend because of the advance cultivation level he already is and actually I am lucky that he not speaks

in poems as the ancient teachers about flowes and rivers"

[Brian]

Thank you, Friend.