U.G. Krishnamurti - the Mystique of Thinking and Thought

[JustARandomPanda]

Thought I would share this YouTube vid given by U.G. Krishnamurti. He says a lot of interesting things about thought, thinking, space-time, science, Descarte's I Think Therefore I Am and most of all - what he calls The Mystique of Enlightenment - which is the title of the Youtube vid. Ever since I discovered him several years ago I'd been interested in some of the things he said.

 

I love his critique of Descarte and of people wedded to thinking in general (or as J.K. Rowling calls them - muggles). Imo this YouTube vid could just as well be (and far more accurately) titled The Mystique of Thinking and Opinions - since that's the discourse he keeps coming back to over and over and over in the interview.

 

 

Wanted to mention U.G. discusses the scientific search for the Higgs-Boson particle and science in general.

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Wow thanks...

 

There is no now.

Enlightenment does not exist.

There are no problems.

There is no time.

There is no space.

 

Awesome stuff... I'll be chewing on this for a while, which means I'm totally lost and not getting it, but loving it just the same!

[JustARandomPanda]

Wow thanks...

 

There is no now.

Enlightenment does not exist.

There are no problems.

There is no time.

There is no space.

 

Awesome stuff... I'll be chewing on this for a while, which means I'm totally lost and not getting it, but loving it just the same!

 

 

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I did too!

 

It really hit home for me because the very things he's saying I only just recently - like within the past 2 weeks - came to the same conclusion myself. For the past 1.5 years I've had the growing conviction that there is no way I can understand death until I understand why and how I'm alive.

 

I've done the following for the past year:

 

 

1. wonder what keeps me here - sustained - instead of suddenly blipping out of existence (like someone turning off a tv).

 

2. where do "I" go if there's no thoughts, emotions or sensations? Would there be any "me" at all if those disappear?

 

3. More and more I'd come to the conclusion that practically every avenue I'm used to does not answer that question.

 

 

Krishnamurti is essentially saying it won't answer the question because it never will be able to answer it. As Einstein once said you can't solve a problem on the same level its created. The very instrument that asks the question "is there a me that's going to die and if so where will I go" - is the only thing that's interested in being sustained. physical bodies don't worry about living eternally or not. A physical body - devoid of an "I" and "me" - isn't interested in whether it will live eternally. It doesn't even know to care about such. That's why he keeps saying a body doesn't know if it's dead or alive. To care it'd have to know and to know it'd have to care. What gives knowing and caring? Thoughts. Thoughts are what know and care about living eternally and becoming enlightened because that's a way thoughts will ensure their being in perpetuity.

 

To me it's as if thoughts (weirdly enough) somehow know they aren't the substantial things they want to be and so thoughts run the thought-program "me" and "I" to try to make something so that in its natural state isn't true.

 

 

If you watch the program in depth you'll notice Krishnamurti actually says he doesn't want to deny that there have been enlightened beings in the past. But whatever enlightenment is is something that thoughts - which creates the "me" and "I" - will never be able to know or experience. Because knowing and experiencing are all within the realm of thoughts.

 

 

Oddly enough - hearing Krishnamurti has made some things that Master Nan Huai-Chin talk about suddenly become more understandable.

 

 

You know something even weirder? VMarco would be in complete agreement with everything Krishnamurti just said in this YouTube vid.

 

So would deci belle.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2013 by JustARandomPanda