Anadi - Buddhism has flaws.

[Tibetan_Ice]

Anadi is at odds with Buddhism because Buddhism denies the self (anatta) and Anadi says that one must develop and evolve the self:

 

link: http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/why-seekers-are-lost-part-one

During the many years of my personal quest and many years of teaching, I have not met a single person who really had a clue what awakening means. For instance, I have met thousands of seekers, and many teachers, who spoke about ‘consciousness’ and yet not a single one of them really knew what they were talking about. I have met seekers who after many years on the path did not even know that consciousness is realized in the headspace! There is no teaching that is able to pinpoint the difference between the consciousness of me and the higher consciousness of the soul, between awareness and consciousness. How could they? They do not understand what ‘me’ – the very one who is seeking – is. Instead, they have generically called it ‘ego’, hated it, foolishly negated it or tried to get rid of it.

 

Buddhism is denying the 'me'. It does not exist. Anatta.

 

Anadi says that one must first develop it.

 

 

Further, it is funny how you people put labels on other people and then dismiss them based on the labels.

Anadi is not an Advaitist. If anything he is non-traditionalist.

 

We have all heard the cliche countless times, repeated over and over like a broken record, that consciousness is ‘everywhere’ and therefore cannot be located in the body. But what is actually being said is that consciousness is nowhere, because those who adhere to this belief are not truly conscious. They live in a spaced-out, subconscious state of mind that has been programmed into a certain Advaitic belief system. Moreover, to believe this statement is to not see the fundamental difference between universal existence and the realization of our higher being, our soul. Without seeing this difference, the nature of the spiritual path cannot ever be grasped. Cheap teachings speak about presence, being, consciousness and the now. They hypnotize the mind with empty words which carry no meaning, because the intelligence behind them is locked in the mental construct: it thinks it is experiencing reality but it is still experiencing itself. The mind is desperate to experience something beyond itself, but it cannot access it. That is its tragedy – it has no way out of itself. It is this kind of nonsense that distorts the very essence of the spiritual path. Is this really the golden age of spirituality? If ignorance is gold in color, it is indeed the golden age.

[RongzomFan]

Let's get with the program here, Alwaysoff.

Most all Buddhists (Bon) too say that we all have access to the natural state, the primordial ground etc and that if one clears the obscurations away one will realize it. Or, as in Bon, you just let everything be and you will come to realize your own true state.

 

The basic assumption is that we all have (including animals and sentient beings) the connection and the potential for realization. Anadi is saying that this is false. Anadi is saying that you have to recognize and develop the 'me' first. Then, you align it with the soul. It is the soul that then continues its evolution. But, Anadi also says, that not everyone is capable of evolving and some will fail and just dissolve back into nothingness. If all sentient beings are part of the Primordial Ground, it would be impossible to just dissolve back into nothingness.

 

You don't understand Buddhism, so your refutations don't make sense.

 

You are like Adi Shankara.

[Seeker of Wisdom]

Anadi is at odds with Buddhism because Buddhism denies the self (anatta) and Anadi says that one must develop and evolve the self. Buddhism is denying the 'me'. It does not exist. Anatta. Anadi says that one must first develop it.

Again, this is misinterpreting anatta as nihilism. There is no solid fundamental self, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a bundle of processes which in conventional terms can be referred to as 'me', and which can be developed.

 

Also this is still misunderstanding Buddha-nature as something which is there now, like a nugget of gold buried underground. Instead it is more like gold in ore - the gold isn't there now, but all you have to do to unveil it is remove obscuration. That's a subtle but very important distinction. It isn't a present reality (except for Buddhas) or a potential, it is more like a flux.

 

Personally, it seems to me that Anadi has reached something, but due to a fear of losing conceptual reference points he is generating loads of simplistic false views from intellectual interpretations of the qualia as they are really experienced.

[3bob]

Lots of speculation... which has its place just like the raft of the mind.

But that which knows the aggregates for what they are and itself for what it is, is it.

[RongzomFan]

 

Personally, it seems to me that Anadi has reached something,

 

Anadi hasn't reached anything. These neoadvaitins merely gain some insight into the conceptualizing mind.

 

You either recognize the fourth time or you don't. There is no middle ground.

[RongzomFan]

 

 

Neoadvaita is a joke on multiple levels, since Neoadvaitins criticize each other.

Edited November 10, 2013 by RongzomFan

[Tibetan_Ice]

Let's examine what Anadi is saying:

 

From "The Human Buddha" -Aziz Kristoff (Anadi).

Is Rigpa the Ultimate?

 

student: How is it that in Dzogchen they say that rigpa is the Unborn?

 

Aziz: Originally, Dzogchen, as well as Mahamudra pointed to the Absolute State. But, because so few seekers had the aspiration and capacity to reach this Exalted State, the teaching lost its original focus. We could say that these teachings became commercialised: they adjusted to the need of the majority. For that reason, Dzogchen and Mahamudra stop at the level of pure consciousness only. The assumption that rigpa is the Unborn is, of course, incorrect. How can we speak about the luminosity of bare awareness prior to Creation? It is a contradiction in terms. In this teaching, the role of the ego is also underestimated.

 

According to their understanding, it is the ego, which covers the recognition of rigpa. But if that is so, in a dreamless sleep, for instance, rigpa should shine its luminosity and it doesn't. To call the deep sleep state a luminous reality would be very inaccurate. The ego is not an obstruction but the link between unconsciousness and consciousness. Of course, if the ego does not evolve but is stuck in its ego-image, it remains on the level of the subconscious reality, instead of pointing to awakening. It is very interesting, but from the viewpoint of orthodox Buddhism the concept of rigpa would be most likely considered as another attempt to smuggle into the 'No-self Teaching' the belief into the Self. The teaching of Dzogchen and Mahamudra are very sophisticated and represent a high technology of awakening, although they are not Complete.

 

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Follow Only the Truth

student: Is there a danger in being exposed to too many teachings and masters?

 

Aziz: If you are looking for Truth, nothing is dangerous. But if you are looking just for a 'teaching,' philosophy or amaster, everything is dangerous. This is because you mistake the Truth for the shadow of reality. To study many teachings and to meet many masters can help your intelligence to grow. However, you must see the essence of your search. What is a master but a guide pointing to your eternal self? What is a teaching but a description of your inner reality and of various possibilities on the Path? It is all about you. Don't become a 'follower' or a 'member;' don't become a Buddhist or Sufi or anything…become yourself. Look at the truth and not at the shadow of it. If you are not intelligent,you cling to words and concepts and therefore easily get confused. You get confused not knowing whether Buddhism is right speaking about no-self or Advaita speaking about the Self. You cling to the finger instead of looking at the moon to which the finger is pointing. You have to see that teachings and masters do not matter. It is You who matters and the essence of your Soul dwells in the dimension devoid of any concepts.

 

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Beyond Non-attachment

student: The Buddha taught that after a certain amount of practice, one would reach a state beyond clinging. That became the whole vision of Buddhism – freedom from attachments and desires. And you are showing us a differentvision.

 

Aziz: Yes... because the first step is to transcend attachment and the second is to transcend attachment to non-attachment. When you are attached to non-attachment, you are still living in an artificial reality. The real reality is beyond idealism and realism. It is to be alive and beyond man-made superimposition's. You must see that the danger with spiritual teachings is that many of them, apart from revealing the truth of Enlightenment, condition us by their past views about reality. A spiritual teaching is the fruit of many generations and is often subject to the authority of pastmasters and philosophers; it tends to be dogmatic. So everybody carries on repeating the past conclusions, not having any interest in questioning their validity. But are they all valid in our times? For example, most seekers unquestionably adopt the belief in the illusory nature of Me, pursuing simplistic translations of non-duality. But is it really true that there is no Me? In truth, you know directly that your Me exists, but you may force yourself not to see it! Another concept can be about identifying Enlightenment with the idea of the spiritual superman,who is invincible and untouched by suffering. A perfectly liberated robot. But in truth, reaching Buddhahood is not the end of the evolution but the beginning. Most awakened beings therefore need to receive further guidance. First a person receives guidance to become the Buddha and next how to go beyond the static concept of Enlightenment.

 

student: What about Shakyamuni Buddha? His words spoke clearly about transcending suffering and clinging.

 

Aziz: But still he was suffering and had a lot of troubles with his sangha. No one can avoid suffering. It is simply physically impossible. Freedom from suffering is just a mirage. But you can be beyond suffering. When you are beyond suffering, it does not mean that you are not suffering. It means that part of your sense of identity is simply not of here.That is the meaning of spiritual expansion – you are merging with the Other Dimension, stepping out of time. Here, your being roots itself in the Beyond and becomes completely still and motionless. But the human in you continues to live, in time, on earth, in the imperfection of this reality. If the human in you, for instance puts a finger in a flame, pain is immediately present. You scream from the hurt. This experience is the same as for the Buddha as it is for an unconscious person. To experience suffering is a part of the human destiny and no one ever got out of it. You can suppress the pain of being a human, using a strong will, but it is not natural and not real. In the case of the Buddha, it is the type of suffering which changes. We speak about the experience of Pure Suffering. Pure Suffering does not come from the past, from the mind or neurotic tendencies. Pure Suffering reflects the condition of being the human. This suffering has no reason; the only reason is to be in the body and to live in the thick, ignorant and insensitive dimension of this world. To see such the immense ignorance around us is itself suffering! Also when the Heart is awakened, the Buddha becomes more sensitive, open and vulnerable. If you want to reach liberation, it is better not to touch the Heart at all! To open the Heart is a risk, for you open yourself up and become exposed to suffering. The Heart is tremendously sensitive! The Heart does not need much in order to get hurt. This very contact with insensitivity and the malice of this dimension makes the Heart cry… Therefore, if you don't want to suffer at all, if you want to be a perfect robot, better lock up your Heart, close it completely. Here you are safe but are you alive? Shakyamuni Buddha 'renounced' most of his worldly desires, for he didn't have them! His particular Soul was already fulfilled as far as human nature is concerned. He brought this emotional completion from past lives. All he needed to do was to reach the Beyond, to merge with the Unborn. Of course, he still had desires but more related to everyday life and not so much emotionally. But even not having any emotional desires is also not possible. In his case, they were gentle and not disturbing. But his life cannot become a model for everyone. It was appropriate for his particular Soul and blueprint. If you, for instance try to fit this model, you will hurt your Soul and cripple yourself. If you follow the Theravada philosophy and attempt to eliminate all your desires, exercising detachment, you will go against your Soul. You will block the positive expansion in your evolution. You need to have many experiences and desires. They help you. Your desires are your friends! How otherwise could you possibly grow? Having no desires has nothing to do with being a Buddha. A person who has no desires is dead! As one grows older and their emotional desires become fulfilled, one let's go more into the Inner Dimension. It is also aquestion of age and having many life experiences. But here, the letting go is not coming from detachment. Detachmentis from the mind – it is the mind's attitude. An awakened being who becomes absorbed in the Beyond is not detached at all. Such a being is beyond attachment and detachment, beyond identification and disidentification. He or she simply does not care anymore. That is natural transcendence. To go beyond Buddhahood is to drop the very concept of liberation; it is to become simple and truly ordinary. The final step beyond Buddhahood is the awakening of the Soul where the Buddha again becomes the child of the Divine. No longer is he or she merely a liberated being but an innocent child of Existence – like a mystic in a state of wonder, in a state of prayer. An awakened being stands with open hands infront of the eternal garden of the Beloved – the Mystery.

 

 

 

[RongzomFan]

Who the fuck is Anadi ?

 

bump

[3bob]

I'd say that is a dump instead of bump...

[Anderson]

Let's examine what Anadi is saying:

 

From "The Human Buddha" -Aziz Kristoff (Anadi).

 

Is Rigpa the Ultimate?

 

student: How is it that in Dzogchen they say that rigpa is the Unborn?

 

Aziz: Originally, Dzogchen, as well as Mahamudra pointed to the Absolute State. But, because so few seekers had the aspiration and capacity to reach this Exalted State, the teaching lost its original focus. We could say that these teachings became commercialised: they adjusted to the need of the majority. For that reason, Dzogchen and Mahamudra stop at the level of pure consciousness only. The assumption that rigpa is the Unborn is, of course, incorrect. How can we speak about the luminosity of bare awareness prior to Creation? It is a contradiction in terms. In this teaching, the role of the ego is also underestimated.

 

According to their understanding, it is the ego, which covers the recognition of rigpa. But if that is so, in a dreamless sleep, for instance, rigpa should shine its luminosity and it doesn't. To call the deep sleep state a luminous reality would be very inaccurate. The ego is not an obstruction but the link between unconsciousness and consciousness. Of course, if the ego does not evolve but is stuck in its ego-image, it remains on the level of the subconscious reality, instead of pointing to awakening. It is very interesting, but from the viewpoint of orthodox Buddhism the concept of rigpa would be most likely considered as another attempt to smuggle into the 'No-self Teaching' the belief into the Self. The teaching of Dzogchen and Mahamudra are very sophisticated and represent a high technology of awakening, although they are not Complete.

 

 

 

Yeah...this is definitely a dump

He doesn't have a clue about dzogchen.

[Simple_Jack]

But that which knows the aggregates for what they are and itself for what it is, is it.

 

No, no, no, this is the framework for the Advaitan or Kashimiri Shaivist view. Gautama Buddha clearly delineates insight into anatta here:

 

http://measurelessmind.ca/anattasanna.html

Kalakarama Sutta:

 

"Thus, monks, the Tathāgata does not conceive an [object] seen when seeing what is to be seen. He does not conceive an unseen. He does not conceive a to-be-seen. He does not conceive a seer.

 

He does not conceive an [object] heard when hearing what is to be heard. He does not conceive an unheard. He does not conceive a to-be-heard. He does not conceive a hearer.

 

He does not conceive an [object] sensed when sensing what is to be sensed. He does not conceive an unsensed. He does not conceive a to-be-sensed. He does not conceive a senser.

 

He does not conceive an [object] known when knowing what is to be known. He does not conceive an unknown. He does not conceive a to-be-known. He does not conceive a knower."

[RongzomFan]

Yeah...this is definitely a dump

He doesn't have a clue about dzogchen.

 

That's needless to say.

[3bob]

no,no,no I suggest people find out for themselves just like another quote said from 2500 or whatever number of years ago it was.

[Simple_Jack]

no,no,no I suggest people find out for themselves just like another quote said from 2500 or whatever number of years ago it was.

 

Of course! How does an individual proceed to find out for oneself? By practicing within the context of buddhadharma.

[Gerard]

There is a good chance the Buddhism we know today is heavily corrupted from the original source, there is even a sutra which showed that one of Buddha's main disciples corrupted the teachings within one generation of the Buddha's death and had to be corrected by the other disciples, so what chance is there that we have a pure message so many generations and translations later?

 

 

You are making a good point.

 

Practice a physical method that keeps your mind fully aware and in a naturally flowing state, then you come across universal principles going beyond dogma: Law of karma, rebirth, yin and yang, the five elements, the bagua, etc.They are all contained within you, you are just a vessel of an entire universe. The total opening, like a lotus plant that releases its flower ah! That's another story....when you are ready to fully surrender then you'll be free for good.

 

I already posted this excellent Dharma talk before but it's worth the reminder:

 

No Religion.