Do you believe in- and when do you think the actual shift will happen?

[xor]

For alot(most?) of people a dramatic shift would be a negative thing anyway. To have "knowledge" beyond capability to comprehend would be more like a curse for many. So hoping for some kind of mass ascension is not something that is natural for development. It's best to work from what we have now and keep less hope/fear to us.

[chegg]

What then happened to men when after death they moved to the sun? Surely the sun is connected to it's spiritual side. Some people say it's the moon.

 

But do you have any evidence that the sun is not God either?

 

 

Evidence ! Evidence ! Evidence ! Evidence is Evil Lol, I'll stick to rumors, hearsay, conjecture, innuendo and second hand knowledge.

 

But seriously, all I can give you is what I've experienced, what others have written and what I feel is right. Yes, its been suggested people go to the moon, etc. I've even heard 'gurus' say that 'the Sun is God'.

 

From my experience, when I had 'seen' the Christ light - all perfect rays, brighter than any star, then I knew that the sun wasn't the real deal.

 

I'll add that the sun is definitely a manifestation of God, but so is the moon, the planets the grass and the trees.

 

 

 

 

Lots of love and blessings to you :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

Edited November 27, 2013 by chegg

[soaring crane]

But do you have any evidence that the sun is not God either?

 

“I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to "God" are all answered at about the same 50% rate.”

 

-- George Carlin

 

:-)

[Marblehead]

I'm surprised I haven't posted in this thread yet.

 

In fact, I haven't even read it yet. I just peeked at the opening post and saw the mention of ice age.

 

Ice ages are cyclical. It is my understanding that we are nearing the end of the last ice age. This is one of the reasons why the global temperatures are getting a little warmer. When peek is reach a reversal will occur, an new ice age will be on its way.

 

Now I will go back and read all the post to see what everyone has said.

[Marblehead]

To me, basicly an atheist, the sun always was a physical representation of our source. An entity that has so many similar qualities and for me could always be seen as a reminder of our origin.

Yes, it is the sun that provides all the energy for Earth. Without it there would be no life.

[h.uriahr]

Going by the current condition of my country and my state I do believe that the end is near. I attribute that to the Obamaworship that is going on. I believe that he will go global after his term is up. He is a god, rockstar, pornstar and all of the above not only here but around the world. I don't believe in a shift. I believe in the Return of Christ. Too many rights are being trampled here while boosting other demonic rights. The only religion that doesn't get mocked or attacked is Islam while Chistians and Jews get hated on all the time here. People want me to believe in their gay marriage and abortion laws but yet want me to hide my Christian Belief. This is one of many indicators that the time is near. The sun is awesome. I enjoy its benefits but I don't let it distract me from the One who gave it to us. He is the One who gets the Glory and Praise.

[Dainin]

"The Shift" is happening now, and always has been.

[Marblehead]

The sun is awesome.

I'm glad there was something in your post I could agree with.

[Marblehead]

"The Shift" is happening now, and always has been.

Yep. Those are the cycles I sometimes mention. Life and death and all the changes between the two.

[Z3N]

What you humans face is largely delusional in most parts, you can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel, and this of course is short sighted and is the nature things so far.

 

It is also the nature of things when there is so much discord on the globe amongst the population, that it effects the human consciousness overall, which is now sick and needs healing.

 

This ripples down into your daily lives and affects our decision making, thoughts, emotions and etc.

 

This is because our physical reality and spiritual reality co-exist within the overall human consciousness.

 

Human consciousness has in fact reached the point of no return, you guys either get with the program or not, hence more people are awakening out of their slumber imposed by these systems that govern you, keeping you a slave to the system.

 

It is your is choice, everyone any everything always has a choice whether you are good, bad or somewhere in-between, this is natural law of the universe.

 

Like the old saying you must lose control before you can gain control, this is exactly what is happening now.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Z3N

[Z3N]

You humans are that separated, that divided amongst yourselves that you are the cause of the problems hence its current effects on the globe and your psyche.

 

The earth will just keep on doing its thing and you all should know that, it’s an accumulation of little things over a long expansive course of time which eventually leads into a great change.

 

This can be seen anywhere and in anything as it is the way “things”.

[ralis]

Going by the current condition of my country and my state I do believe that the end is near. I attribute that to the Obamaworship that is going on. I believe that he will go global after his term is up. He is a god, rockstar, pornstar and all of the above not only here but around the world. I don't believe in a shift. I believe in the Return of Christ. Too many rights are being trampled here while boosting other demonic rights. The only religion that doesn't get mocked or attacked is Islam while Chistians and Jews get hated on all the time here. People want me to believe in their gay marriage and abortion laws but yet want me to hide my Christian Belief. This is one of many indicators that the time is near. The sun is awesome. I enjoy its benefits but I don't let it distract me from the One who gave it to us. He is the One who gets the Glory and Praise.

 

How many times have the leaders of your religion preached the same old worn out doom and gloom over the last two thousand years. Furthermore, blaming Obama for the state affairs by the above characterization is ludicrous. I thought you claimed to be aware.

[Z3N]

Going by the current condition of my country and my state I do believe that the end is near. I attribute that to the Obamaworship that is going on. I believe that he will go global after his term is up. He is a god, rockstar, pornstar and all of the above not only here but around the world. I don't believe in a shift. I believe in the Return of Christ. Too many rights are being trampled here while boosting other demonic rights. The only religion that doesn't get mocked or attacked is Islam while Chistians and Jews get hated on all the time here. People want me to believe in their gay marriage and abortion laws but yet want me to hide my Christian Belief. This is one of many indicators that the time is near. The sun is awesome. I enjoy its benefits but I don't let it distract me from the One who gave it to us. He is the One who gets the Glory and Praise.

 

Note;

 

 

All religions are stuck in the cultural past that worked for a very short time in controlling the human population, this suppressed the need to question and self-inquiry which controlled public order.

 

 

This was indeed intended and part of the spiritual evolution in the greater scheme of things but does not apply to now.

 

 

Therefore all religion is now primitive and detrimental to the human consciousness because it is in fact what largely separates as from the universe and all of its contents.

 

 

This a huge problem and if you with lack the capacity to see this then you are and others like minded to you are then subject to being a effect of the problem which of course increases the problem.

[h.uriahr]

How many times have the leaders of your religion preached the same old worn out doom and gloom over the last two thousand years. Furthermore, blaming Obama for the state affairs by the above characterization is ludicrous. I thought you claimed to be aware.

 

Let's see what happens after his term shall we?

[h.uriahr]

Note;

 

 

All religions are stuck in the cultural past that worked for a very short time in controlling the human population, this suppressed the need to question and self-inquiry which controlled public order.

 

 

This was indeed intended and part of the spiritual evolution in the greater scheme of things but does not apply to now.

 

 

Therefore all religion is now primitive and detrimental to the human consciousness because it is in fact what largely separates as from the universe and all of its contents.

 

 

This a huge problem and if you with lack the capacity to see this then you are and others like minded to you are then subject to being a effect of the problem which of course increases the problem.

 

So then you alone are right and therefore not a problem at all

[ralis]

Let's see what happens after his term shall we?

 

Are you a prophet? Your narrative is flawed to the max!

[h.uriahr]

I'm glad there was something in your post I could agree with.

 

Why bother posting that?

[h.uriahr]

Are you a prophet? Your narrative is flawed to the max!

 

How else should I debate with you? You would discount me if I were a prophet.

[ralis]

How else should I debate with you? You would discount me if I were a prophet.

 

What you are positing does not even qualify for good debate. Why? Your narrative is based on myth without reason.There is no proof that the world is heading for a doom and gloom scenario as you are preaching it. What you are positing is that an event will take place at some unknown future time because you said so.

[h.uriahr]

What you are positing does not even qualify for good debate. Why? Your narrative is based on myth without reason.There is no proof that the world is heading for a doom and gloom scenario as you are preaching it. What you are positing is that an event will take place at some unknown future time because you said so.

 

That's not at all true. 1) it's not doom and gloom. It's celebration 2) my Holy Bible is my Doppler 5000 3) You are a HUGE Obama supporter so any and all things I bring up against him will be from crazy town 4) you don't believe in my Doppler system so yet again we will have your logic vs my coo coo sense

[Z3N]

Religion needs to die.

[ralis]

That's not at all true. 1) it's not doom and gloom. It's celebration 2) my Holy Bible is my Doppler 5000 3) You are a HUGE Obama supporter so any and all things I bring up against him will be from crazy town 4) you don't believe in my Doppler system so yet again we will have your logic vs my coo coo sense

 

I didn't state that I am an Obama supporter so quit insinuating that I am! Your ideology is doom and gloom given that you believe that ones opposed to your belief system are going to hell and the earth will be destroyed. That is doom and gloom!

 

I would appreciate it if you would stop the patronizing/condescending remarks. That is how you and others in your particular belief system treat others and far worse.

[Z3N]

Yes, they are a huge part of the problem.

[ralis]

Yes, they are a huge part of the problem.

 

What he is leaving out is the insanity of the crusades, holy wars and inquisition. Christianity is directly responsible for that. Furthermore, many persons of his persuasion supported the Iraq war.

[Z3N]

Yes all is a direct consequence of a continuous time line of corruption, greed, power, control etc.

 

It’s like a blood sucking vampire that needs a wooden stake in the heart.