zerostao Posted December 8, 2013 Fine, but do you agree that these dualistic parameters are the starting point in determining how to still afflicted experience? do you think that there is also non afflicted experience? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 That must be the stupidest comment in the entire thread. Â Not only did RongzomFan selectively misquote but he also ignored the reference to the two-line rebuttal (that I posted on the first page), which was beyond his grasp and then he resorted to abusising/trolling me - an observable pattern. Â Then he moved on to trolling IB in particular and others in general. Â These actions are signposts of someone who's very unhappy (and therefore ignorant of the meanings of Aham Bramah Asmi and Tat Tvam Asi). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 Fine, but do you agree that these dualistic parameters are the starting point in determining how to still afflicted experience? Â The can be a starting point. Â They can also be a sticking point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) God damn it Gatito  Are you going to tell us what you know?? bump for a response Edited December 8, 2013 by RongzomFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted December 8, 2013 bump for a response me either  do you think that there is also non afflicted experience? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 Often we hear people discussing spiritual truth from the objective standpoint, and resting content with theoretical knowledge. This is the result of pursuing dry and fruitless lines of thinking. An aspirant has nothing to gain from mere appreciatory or depreciatory discussion of the truths set forth in philosophical works. The idea of the Acharyas was only that each should follow some line of spiritual thought which would help him to attain realisation. This is clear from the words of Sri Sureshwaracharya already quoted. The present book is meant for those earnest aspirants who, not being satisfied with theoretical knowledge, want to pursue the path of realisation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 me either  do you think that there is also non afflicted experience?  Would it help you if I said "Yes"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 Gatito, you don't have a fucking post on the first page. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 Gatito, Â You are a weird guy. Seriously. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted December 8, 2013 @ gatito, i was wanting simple jack to answer since i asked him yesterday. and he had been talking of how some here wouldnt answer his question. now RF same thing. and simplejack speaks of double standards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 Gatito, you don't have a fucking post on the first page.  I removed it  LMAO  Glad that you appreciate the joke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) LMAO, Â So you keep referring to a post you removed???? Â And you also keep referring to 2 sentences within that post????? Edited December 8, 2013 by RongzomFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatito Posted December 8, 2013 Gatito, Â You are a weird guy. Seriously. Â Thank you (Seriously) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4412&p=44426&hilit=beginnings#p44426 Â http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7094&p=84992&hilit=beginnings#p84992 Â http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7094&p=84992&hilit=beginnings#p84966 Â http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=3803&p=47229&hilit=beginnings#p47229 Â bump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted December 8, 2013 bump do you think that there is also non afflicted experience? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simple_Jack Posted December 8, 2013 do you think that there is also non afflicted experience?  Brian didn't want me to continue this until a definite and conclusive answer to this thread was resolved or that I start a new topic.  Not only did RongzomFan selectively misquote but he also ignored the reference to the two-line rebuttal (that I posted on the first page), which was beyond his grasp and then he resorted to abusising/trolling me - an observable pattern.  Then he moved on to trolling IB in particular and others in general.  These actions are signposts of someone who's very unhappy (and therefore ignorant of the meanings of Aham Bramah Asmi and Tat Tvam Asi).  Gatito, admit to your double standards:  http://thetaobums.com/topic/32820-debunking-a-creator/?p=502408  So you're reliant on faith!!!  I can't believe that  http://thetaobums.com/topic/32820-debunking-a-creator/?p=502461  Yes, so are believing the Vedas, the Torah, the Bible, the Koran are of divine origin. The can be a starting point.  They can also be a sticking point.  Even Ramana Maharshi elaborated on savikalpa, nirvikalpa, nirvikalpa sahaja samadhi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 I don't know how Ramana Maharishi became any sort of authority in any way. Â I guess since Islam destroyed the tantric lineages, people resort to bullshit gurus like Ramana. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 bump do you think that there is also non afflicted experience? Â I go by rigpa (knowledge) vs marigpa (ignorance). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simple_Jack Posted December 8, 2013 I don't know how Ramana Maharishi became any sort of authority in any way. Â I guess since Islam destroyed the tantric lineages, people resort to bullshit gurus like Ramana. Â Gatitio follows "Direct Path" Advaita and Ramana Maharshi was the starting point for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 Gatitio follows "Direct Path" Advaita and Ramana Maharshi was the starting point for this. Â Yes, but why do people care about Ramana? Â Is it the lack of genuine tantric lineages like in Buddhism? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted December 8, 2013 thanks for the responses simplejack and rongzomfan. if someone will alert me when " a definite and conclusive answer to this thread was resolved" does rigpa(knowledge) relate to rational thought? if so, how? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simple_Jack Posted December 8, 2013 Yes, but why do people care about Ramana? Â Is it the lack of genuine tantric lineages like in Buddhism? Â No thanks to the Islamic invasions of medieval India. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) No thanks to the Islamic invasions of medieval India. Â Yes Islam destroyed parts of Hinduism: Â http://books.google.com/books?id=GKBV7QZ7BBQC&pg=PA34&dq=tantric+body+As+Dyczkowski+observes,+the+consolidation+of+Muslim+rule+in+north+India&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Es-kUtqCCrLNsQTZh4LQBg&ved=0CDsQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=tantric%20body%20As%20Dyczkowski%20observes%2C%20the%20consolidation%20of%20Muslim%20rule%20in%20north%20India&f=false Edited December 8, 2013 by RongzomFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites