Debunking a Creator

[Isimsiz Biri]

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/hypocrisy-of-tolerance_b_792239.html

 

My experiments in proposing mutual respect have also involved liberal Muslims. Soon after Sept. 11, 2001, in a radio interview in Dallas, I explained why mutual respect among religions is better than tolerance. One caller, identified as a local Pakistani community leader, congratulated me and expressed complete agreement. For her benefit, I elaborated that in Hinduism we frequently worship images of the divine, may view the divine as feminine, and that we believe in reincarnation. I felt glad that she had agreed to respect all this, and I clarified that "mutual respect" merely means that I am respected for my faith, with no requirement for others to adopt or practice it. I wanted to make sure she knew what she had agreed to respect and wasn't merely being politically correct. The woman hung up.

So you admit you are a Satanist?

[RongzomFan]

Does not matter

Of course it does. I wasn't raised Muslim. I have no affinity to Islam.

[Simple_Jack]

So you admit you are a Satanist?

 

So, you admit you are engaging in hypocritical apologetics?

[Isimsiz Biri]

That's your proof that Allah is the Creator??

 

LMAO

No proof will stop you from worshiping Satan

[RongzomFan]

No proof will stop you from worshiping Satan

Do you have any proof Allah is the Creator, if we hypothetically accept a Creator for the sake of argument?

[Isimsiz Biri]

 

So, you admit you are engaging in hypocritical apologetics?

I admit Satanists like you do not love me at all.

[RongzomFan]

I admit Satanists like you do not love me at all.

Is America and the West the great Satan?

[Isimsiz Biri]

Do you have any proof Allah is the Creator, if we hypothetically accept a Creator for the sake of argument?

Did you show any proof to debunk Creator ?

[RongzomFan]

Did you show any proof to debunk Creator ?

I will hypothetically accept a Creator.

 

Now prove the Creator is Allah.

[Aetherous]

Either a Creator changes or doesn't change.

 

Either way you are fucked.

 

End of Thread.

 

I already debunked this false premise.

[RongzomFan]

 

I already debunked this false premise.

Bullshit.

 

The best you got was the Creator both changes and does not change, which of course is completely nonsensical, and includes the faults of both positions.

Edited December 11, 2013 by RongzomFan

[Isimsiz Biri]

I will hypothetically accept a Creator.

 

Now prove the Creator is Allah.

You lied many times like this. This is your thread. Prove the Creator is debunked.

[Aetherous]

Blind belief is not a factor for accepting the tenets of Dharmic religions; Dharmic religions are predicated off of yoga of various kinds. What's needed is an unbiased examination practiced within the context of its own tradition.

 

 

 

'Capacity' in Buddhism, does not necessarily point towards the intellectual capacity of an individual, but a combination of conditional factors such as wisdom and merit accumulation, past-life connection to teachings, etc.; determining the readiness on the part of the individual to understand, accept, put the teachings into practice, the outcome of obstacles towards progress and the rate at which the individual progresses.

 

Within Buddhism, there are also factors which determine the type of bodhi at which an individual aspires towards: such as the capacity for the bodhi of an arhat, pratekyabuddha and that of a samyaksambuddha which is arrived at through the bodhisattvayana.

 

Agreed.

 

On the point about capacity, you're right...but to say someone doesn't have the capacity in the midst of this discussion is an insult. It's not merely stating the facts, such as the person doesn't have the accumulated merit, etc. RongzomFan doesn't know the merit accumulation, past life connection, intellectual capacity, etc of others. He used the term in a condescending way.

[RongzomFan]

You lied many times like this. This is your thread. Prove the Creator is debunked.

I will accept the Creator for the sake of argument. That is a non-issue.

 

Now prove the Creator is Allah.

Edited December 11, 2013 by RongzomFan

[Isimsiz Biri]

Is America and the West the great Satan?

Noone can be as great as you in the service of Satan.

[RongzomFan]

Noone can be as great as you in the service of Satan.

Ad hominem attack

[Simple_Jack]

I admit Satanists like you do not love me at all.

 

"Dharma is not the same as religion" - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/dharma-religion_b_875314.html

 

"...The reduction of dharma to concepts such as religion and law has harmful consequences: it places the study of dharma in Western frameworks, moving it away from the authority of its own exemplars. Moreover, it creates the false impression that dharma is similar to Christian ecclesiastical law-making and the related struggles for state power...."

[Aetherous]

The best you got was the Creator both changes and does not change, which of course is completely nonsensical, and includes the faults of both positions.

 

You can't fathom that there could be an eternally existing being which has an intelligence and action that responds to creation?

 

Reality does not depend on words. To say something is "eternal" does not mean "unchanging" absolutely. For instance, with infinite regression of cause and effect, reality is both eternal and changing.

[RongzomFan]

with infinite regression of cause and effect, reality is both eternal and changing.

Cause and effect of course is related to changing.

 

That's what I've been saying for 60+ pages.

[Simple_Jack]

Agreed.

 

On the point about capacity, you're right...but to say someone doesn't have the capacity in the midst of this discussion is an insult. It's not merely stating the facts, such as the person doesn't have the accumulated merit, etc. RongzomFan doesn't know the merit accumulation, past life connection, intellectual capacity, etc of others. He used the term in a condescending way.

 

It's really not about someone's intellectual capacity. I would say, based off of my interactions with them on this board, that ralis, gatito, adept, Jetsun, etc. don't have the capacity to want to understand much less accept Buddhist tenet systems.

[Aetherous]

Cause and effect of course is related to changing.

 

That's what I've been saying for 60+ pages.

 

Yes, and it's also eternal (unchanging) if there wasn't a first cause. How can it be...something eternal and changing!

[RongzomFan]

I will accept the Creator for the sake of argument. That is a non-issue.

 

Now prove the Creator is Allah.

[Simple_Jack]

Yes, and it's also eternal (unchanging) if there wasn't a first cause. How can it be...something eternal and changing!

 

This is misrepresenting Buddhist tenet systems.

[RongzomFan]

 

Yes, and it's also eternal (unchanging) if there wasn't a first cause. How can it be...something eternal and changing!

You do understand the whole point of D.O. is that you are made of parts i.e. causes and conditions?

 

That's called impermanence.

[Simple_Jack]

You do understand the whole point of D.O. is that you are made of parts i.e. causes and conditions?

 

That's called impermanence.

 

Specifically, 5 skandhas, 18 dhatus, 12 ayatanas.