Satanic Temple *UP-DATED*

[Brian]

Maybe just me? I read that more as lamentation or resignation than advocacy.

[ralis]

Maybe just me? I read that more as lamentation or resignation than advocacy.

 

WWROA has been suspended on several occasions for racist/bigoted posts. I just don't see his remarks as you have stated.

[eye_of_the_storm]

I've been banned once for being "anti semetic" after posting pictures of Israeli war crimes I recall, perhaps too in demonstrating the power Israel has in the USA... and therefore much of the world at present (+Media). See Mid East wars last 20+ years... who does that benefit the most?

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- voltaire

I am not anti semetic, I am opposed generally to Judaism, Islam, Christianity and related "sacred scripture"

Such as:

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Psalm 2:8 KJV Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 KJV Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Isaiah 49:23 KJV And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

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Unfortunately there are some Zionist extremists such as Ralis on this board.

They are "right wing" for Israel but support radical degradation of European nations through extreme leftist ideologies... which has absolutely nothing to do with "compassion"/ "equality", but is in truth a disguised act of aggression/war... see above ^

... not surprising considering they worship the father of lies, Yaweh. As I have remarked in earlier posts.

And will now demonstrate here, one example... (appropriate to this thread also)

 

Genesis 2:16 "And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Thus, Jehovah/Yahweh tells Adam that eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil will cause him to die. But when Adam eats of it, does he suddenly die? Also, what did the Serpent tell Adam and Eve about this Tree?

Genesis 3:4 " You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Here the Serpent tells Eve that she won't die. The serpent says YOUR EYES WILL BE OPENED, and you will be LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil.

Now let's see who lie: Did Yahweh lie? Or did the Serpent (Nachash) lie? Let's see what the Bible says happened right after they eat of the Tree....

Genesis 3:7 " Then the eyes of both of them were opened "

Uh-oh! Looks like it says their eyes were opened. Now doesn't that correspond exactly with what the Serpent said? Gen 3:5 "...your eyes will be opened" but wait a second? I thought Yahweh said they were gonna die.

Yahweh = First lie ever told in the Bible
Serpent = Told the truth

Genesis 3:22 "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. "

Hmmm looks like that's what the Serpent said too, in Genesis 3:5 "you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

BTW, if you though eating of the tree/fruit made Adam and Eve "FALL" from Eden, you're wrong. It's Jehovah is banishes them, out of jealousy and fear they will become like him.

Gen 3:22 continued "He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken."

As you can see, Jehovah (Yahweh/YHVH) told the very first lie in the entire Bible. The Serpent told Adam and Eve the truth. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130830191539AARDsnn

 

// So it seems, Satan/ Lucifer (Light) speaks the truth...

While Yaweh "God" (of Demons + Deception) ... aim is to keep humanity oppressed and in ignorance, a very jealous and paranoid being... see NSA + US Gov, nay most of the world govs... "New World Order" One Gov... Globalism

The statue in question is not of Satan/Lucifer/Serpent though... but is the bestial form of yaweh (devil) masquerading as the Light/Truth (in name) ... to confuse and subdue.

Just my interpretation of things anyway...

Edited January 15, 2014 by White Wolf Running On Air

[ralis]

 

 

Unfortunately there are some Zionist extremists such as Ralis on this board.

 

 

Exactly how did you arrive at that conclusion? That is an absolute fabrication!

[BaguaKicksAss]

Looks like the Devil tarot card to me...

[zerostao]

i think maybe bka is right about the more money will prevail issue.

even if it goes to scotus, they have been ruling in favor of money over all else for awhile.

[ralis]

i think maybe bka is right about the more money will prevail issue.

even if it goes to scotus, they have been ruling in favor of money over all else for awhile.

 

Unfortunately you may be right. But there is always hope that money will not prevail.

[Nungali]

Seems to work when culture has been totally eroded ... or what remains is for mere entertainment value or superficial culinary delights... and an anti culture is adopted by the majority, enforced by mass media... a zombie society, with no true organic identity other than the 9-5, 5-6 day a week tasks that only ultimately benefits the international banking parasites... in general ^ "Bread and Circuses" , "Proletarians of all countries, unite!"

 

 

 

 

That goes totally against my positive experience of Multiculturalism. It was a full expression of culture and sharing with tolerance and appreciation for each others differences. not the negative with extra spin put on it as above.

 

It totally blew me away and led to a 5 year period where I devoted myself to the cause that bought that experience about and led me to work in the refugee relocation programme in Australia (before it became fascist) .

 

However, I feel its expression may be wasted on some.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Nungali

[ralis]

I started reading 'American Fascists' by Chris Hedges. Hedges discusses the Christian right wing's fascist ideology at length. Teaching of creationism in public schools, creation museums, assaults on women's rights to abortion, anti-science propaganda and so forth.

 

Some here may remember Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore refusing to remove his Ten Commandments monument from his courthouse.

 

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right-America-ebook/dp/B000N0WT92/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389934986&sr=1-1&keywords=american+fascists

 

 

Eternal Fascism:
Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt

 

By Umberto Eco

 

 

 

In spite of some fuzziness regarding the difference between various historical forms of fascism, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it.

* * *

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of the faiths indulgently accepted by the Roman pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages -- in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little-known religions of Asia.

This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, "the combination of different forms of belief or practice;" such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and although they seem to say different or incompatible things, they all are nevertheless alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.

As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.

If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.

2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism.

Both Fascists and Nazis worshipped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon blood and earth (Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life. The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined asirrationalism.

3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake.

Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.

In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.

5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity.

Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.

6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.

That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was theappeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.

7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.

This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.

When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.

Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such "final solutions" implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.

10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.

Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people in the world, the members or the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler.

11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero.

In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Spanish Falangists was Viva la Muerte("Long Live Death!"). In nonfascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.

12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play,the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.

This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.

In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view -- one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.

Because of its qualitative populism, Ur-Fascism must be against "rotten" parliamentary governments. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.

Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in Nineteen Eighty-Four, as the official language of what he called Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.

* * *

Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances — every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task.

Umberto Eco © 1995

Edited January 17, 2014 by ralis

[zerostao]

then it is somewhat ironic that constantine's 'edict of milan' had the intent to enforce tolerenace of all religions and, among other things, agreed to treat the christians benevolently. they had often been victims of persecution til then. but the "benevolence" actually went so far as to make christianity the official religion. during this time the iconography was going thru syncreticism. pagan images were becoming christian images, so Helios becomes Christ.

an example of how one could look at a statue, sculpture, image etc at that time and not know exactly what it was truly representing; is the sheppard with the lamb. it was pagan imagery before christian. so besides the old testament foreshadowing christianity, pagan imagery also did.

jonah under the gourd is the same image as edymion(sheppard/astronomer) sleeping.

if constantine hadnt made christianity the official religion, then perhaps we would still have a lanscape of multi religious imagery, but that would not have consolidated political power,,,,,

[BaguaKicksAss]

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/oklahoma-christians-say-yes-satan

 

Oklahoma Christians Say 'Yes' to Satan Statue at Capital, Says Satanic Leader

[SonOfTheGods]

 

christains will burn it, crush it, boycott it, ban it, kill it - and any/all other ways to block, hide, & conceal anything they oppose.

 

should the monument actually get approved- when the next tornado comes through., they can blame the monument on god's revenge

 

scapegoat azazel 101

[thelerner]

Really..? A spokesman for the Satanic Temple said Christians in Oklahoma were now fine with it?

That's that then.

If you can't believe a P.R person from the Satanic Temple then who can you?

Frankly I find the whole thing Bafometing.

[ralis]

I wonder if this group will be allowed to reapply?

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/07/florida-atheist-groups-monument-application-rejected-on-a-technicality/

 

Florida atheist group’s monument application rejected on a ‘technicality’

 

 

A Florida county has denied an atheist group’s request to erect a public monument next to its courthouse’s Ten Commandments monument.

The Levy County Commission voted, unanimously, to deny the Williston Atheists’s request to erect an atheist monument, citing an incomplete permit application.

County Coordinator Fred Moody told WCJB-TV that “the vote was unanimous to deny the application at this time and that was based on the fact that the application in the opinion of our board was not complete, it did not meet all of the guidelines.”

 

Ray Sparrow, the organizer of the Williston Atheists, says that the incomplete application is just an excuse “being used as an excuse to deny [the request] and to placate the majority religious community that opposes it.”

“The majority of citizens in the community are deeply religious – I understand that, but there are also citizens of this community who are not religious,” he said. “They choose to be represented in a public forum that is available to all citizens so we choose to be represented too.”

The Williston group is trying to mimic the recent successes of other atheist groups in having their monuments placed on public property. According to the group’s Meetup.com page, this rejection by the Levy County Commission was expected, and will not deter the Williston Atheists from fighting to have their monument erected.

[ralis]

Test case of Ten Commandments on public property.

 

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014751987

 

 

Source: Associated Press

Trial begins over Ten Commandments monument
| March 11, 2014 | Updated: March 11, 2014 3:38pm

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — A trial has started in federal court on whether a New Mexico city can have a monument inscribed with the Ten Commandments on the lawn in front of Bloomfield City Hall.

The lawsuit contends the 6-foot-tall granite monument violates the religious freedoms of residents by conveying a message that the city endorses a particular religious belief.

The trial before Senior U.S. District Judge James A. Parker began Monday, the Albuquerque Journal (http://bit.ly/1ctGnd2 ) reported.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the suit on behalf of two Bloomfield residents who practice the Wiccan religion

"In my opinion, it says that anybody who doesn't agree with this monument on city grounds is an outsider," plaintiff Jane Felix testified. "It has no place on City Hall property."


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Trial-begins-over-Ten-Commandments-monument-5307857.php

[ralis]

Hindus are proposing a statue of Hanuman on Oklahoma state house property. I think all belief systems must have their own icons in Oklahoma. Not certain which representation of Hanuman will be placed there, but here is the image of the Satanic Temple proposed image.

 

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025752999#post11

[Brian]

<snip>

I think all belief systems must have their own icons in Oklahoma.

<snip>

 

Why would you think that?

 

Personally, I think the people of the State of Oklahoma should have whatever icons they choose to have. It's none of my business because I'm not a citizen of Oklahoma.