using kundalini techniques to increase talkativeness and sociability ?

[mike 134]

Hi guys,

 

I hate to start too many new threads but this is important and time sensitive so I kindly ask for your wisdom. When I first started having kundalini 2+ years ago one of the worst symptoms was "psychomotor agitation" which consists of

 

-racing thoughts (your thoughts go at 100 MPH, you just have to think, think, think, without stop, your mind cannot rest)

-pressured speech (you talk at 100 MPH and can't slow down, you just have to talk talk talk to as many people as possible)

-high energy levels (its mostly "negative" energy in the form of restlessness and anxiety)

 

These symptoms have since gone away (thankfully!) but now that I think about it, those symptoms, at a lower intensity, may be beneficial in certain circumstances, particular in social situations. I have pretty good social skills, but there are some "advanced" social situations where it would be nice to have a little boost. Examples I have in mind are

 

-cocktail gatherings where I have to meet with lots of new people

-speed dating

-multiple mini interviews (MMI, a novel interview format where you have short interviews with many people and first impressions are crucial)

-giving presentations in front of an interactive audience instead of passively reading from a slide.

 

You can certainly imagine how quick thinking, increased talkativeness, and higher energy levels (basically a lower form of psychomotor agitation) would be highly useful in these settings. I guess the question I have is, what can I do to provoke these symptoms ? Is there some meditation, yoga move, or other technique that I can use to manipulate the kundalini to produce these effects? What area of the body is responsible for them ? Some candidates I think might be responsible are that I can send kundalini energy to are

 

-the neck area (the "neck chakra" apparently is responsible for talking)

-the "pingala" (this channel apparently makes you hyper)

-the head. Not sure about this one. Generally for me at least stagnant energy in the head manifests as congestion and spacing out, not increased energy levels and talkativeness. So if it is in the head it must be a particular area of the head, not just the head in general.

-the adrenals. Might be dangerous to mess with adrenaline directly though. I don't think this is the area responsible since I had my adrenal hormones tested during my kundalini event and they were normal.

 

Any thoughts ??? I have an important presentation to give as well as a speed date coming up so it would be nice to have a little extra oooomph. Thanks.

Edited December 10, 2013 by mike 134

[SonOfTheGods]

I said it before and I will say it again.

 

"Sorry, but you just ain't gettin it"

[Mal]

Hey Mike,

 

For myself I have a few different practices that tend to be "energizing" and practices that are more grounding/earthing.

 

So I can adjust what I'm practicing to product the level of energy I want/need.

[RiverSnake]

When you practice Chi Kung regularly you find that your overall energy and charisma increases.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Edited December 10, 2013 by OldChi

[bax44]

Ive only been here for a few months, and not to sound antagonistic, but your attributing an awful lot to "kundalini" or whatever, and the thing thats a tad ironic is Ive seen you(including in my thread) cautioning people to attribute much of any of their symptoms,etc to spiritual things...So it just seems to me you are not heeding your own advice and are you certain your symptoms are really from what you think? and that you can just manipulate it like your wanting even if it were? Again not trying to be confrontational just making an observation.

[mike 134]

For myself I have a few different practices that tend to be "energizing" and practices that are more grounding/earthing. When you practice Chi Kung regularly you find that your overall energy and charisma increases.

 

So what techniques are you guys talking about ? Right now I am experimenting with two techniques; right nostril breathing and focusing on the pineal gland. Haven't seen results so far yet though. I will keep experimenting with various back positions and see what I come up with. But if you have better ideas please tell me.

 

 

Ive only been here for a few months, and not to sound antagonistic, but your attributing an awful lot to "kundalini" or whatever, and the thing thats a tad ironic is Ive seen you(including in my thread) cautioning people to attribute much of any of their symptoms,etc to spiritual things...So it just seems to me you are not heeding your own advice and are you certain your symptoms are really from what you think? and that you can just manipulate it like your wanting even if it were? Again not trying to be confrontational just making an observation.

Nah don't worry about it its not a bad observation on your part. I warn people to avoid attributing their symptoms to spiritual activity for good reason. It's because these people like to post about their symptoms here without first having an adequate medical investigation. Some go to their doctor and get a quick checkup, others haven't seen a doctor at all. If you are having serious symptoms you really need more than a quick exam and basic labs.

 

The whole point of spiritual activity is to manipulate your body to do certain things that you otherwise would not be able to do. I used to think that kundalini syndrome was 100% bad. Well now I realize that its only bad if you don't know the right moves or techniques to cause it to do what you want it to do. The problem is that those moves and techniques are not easy to come by, and frequently are known only through trial and error. It took me months of self experimentation to discover how to boost my sexual prowess, now I am working on boosting my energy levels and sociability. I plan on climbing to the top of the pile and being the biggest fish in the pond, and I will use any advantage I can get.

[Brian]

 

So what techniques are you guys talking about ? Right now I am experimenting with two techniques; right nostril breathing and focusing on the pineal gland. Haven't seen results so far yet though. I will keep experimenting with various back positions and see what I come up with. But if you have better ideas please tell me.

 

 

 

Nah don't worry about it its not a bad observation on your part. I warn people to avoid attributing their symptoms to spiritual activity for good reason. It's because these people like to post about their symptoms here without first having an adequate medical investigation. Some go to their doctor and get a quick checkup, others haven't seen a doctor at all. If you are having serious symptoms you really need more than a quick exam and basic labs.

 

The whole point of spiritual activity is to manipulate your body to do certain things that you otherwise would not be able to do. I used to think that kundalini syndrome was 100% bad. Well now I realize that its only bad if you don't know the right moves or techniques to cause it to do what you want it to do. The problem is that those moves and techniques are not easy to come by, and frequently are known only through trial and error. It took me months of self experimentation to discover how to boost my sexual prowess, now I am working on boosting my energy levels and sociability. I plan on climbing to the top of the pile and being the biggest fish in the pond, and I will use any advantage I can get.

^^^You and I have substantially different understandings of the point of spiritual activity.

 

EDIT: BKA, do you remember a series of PMs we exchanged about objectives?

Edited December 10, 2013 by Brian

[Aetherous]

So what techniques are you guys talking about ? Right now I am experimenting with two techniques; right nostril breathing and focusing on the pineal gland. Haven't seen results so far yet though. I will keep experimenting with various back positions and see what I come up with. But if you have better ideas please tell me.

 

Practice something real, so you don't mess yourself up!

[BaguaKicksAss]

Wow, you really really need to ground, don't want to end up OCD or something...

[mike 134]

 

Wow, you really really need to ground, don't want to end up OCD or something...

 

I do grounding exercises every day, multiple times a day. I'm okay at it but I could definitely use some improvement and I am always on the lookout for more efficient grounding techniques. I'm just looking for a little extra juice, not the whole bottle! Don't wanna run down the streets naked while yelling obscenities lol.

 

^^^You and I have substantially different understandings of the point of spiritual activity.

 

What, you mean self improvement ? That's what I'm after.

[Clarity]

The whole point of spiritual activity is to manipulate your body to do certain things that you otherwise would not be able to do. I plan on climbing to the top of the pile and being the biggest fish in the pond, and I will use any advantage I can get.

 

Mike, this is the very definition of not getting it. The point is to awaken to your essence or what you are down deep. There's nothing wrong with getting laid and being social but it has nothing to do with spirituality or being what you are on the inside.

 

The problem with 'being on top' is there's alway someone or something waiting in the wings to knock you down. Now, if you aim to be a complete human being and give up all this greasy kids stuff, that's something else entirely.

[bax44]

Yeah not sure thats the healthiest attitude to have..manipulating your body to do certain things it normally cant do( I mean using this as the goal of spirituality)..Of course this could be a nice side effect for some people I suppose, I know for myself Ive noticed certain things being enhanced since I began meditating etc, but not really sure that is the goal of spirituality. But who am I to judge.. perhaps this is what you need, but I think seeking that will make it less likely to happen to begin with..

Edited December 10, 2013 by bax44

[mike 134]

Uh, anybody actually have any actual moves or techniques to share??

 

 

 

Yeah not sure thats the healthiest attitude to have..manipulating your body to do certain things it normally cant do.

Most people feel normal most of the time. But once you have this kundalini your body goes up and down seemingly at random. I have days where my sex drive is so high I would be glued to my computer for literally hours watching porn. Other days the sex drive is so low that I make excuses to avoid sex. Some days my sociability is so high I simply cannot stop talking when meeting people and I would get high when I'm the center of attention. Other times I feel completely flat and I have to avoid people. Nobody wants to be a victim of this kind of unreliability. I don't want to have to give an important speech during one of those flat days. The whole point is to learn how to turn it "on" when you need it, and turn in "off" when you don't, like when you are getting ready to sleep.

 

The problem with 'being on top' is there's alway someone or something waiting in the wings to knock you down.

That's like half the fun. Ride for as long as possible before being burned. Bring it on !

[bax44]

Mike I went back and edited my post; I meant that using this as the primary goal of your spirituality practice may be not the best way. Of course being a former pro athlete Im very familiar with trying to enhance and bring out the best in oneself physically and mentally. I too have noticed some of the stuff you mention since I began meditating seriously. idk what kundalini is Ive seen it mentioned before; in fact someone in my thread I made about my weird happenings suggested this is whats happening with me.. but it seems to me your getting pretty attached to the fact Of manipulating it..from the litte Ive read about it from the experts that isnt really the point. Of course I could be totally wrong...

Edited December 10, 2013 by bax44

[mike 134]

from the litte Ive read about it from the experts that isnt really the point. Of course I could be totally wrong...

 

Most of these so called "experts" know absolutely nothing.

[suninmyeyes]

As I said in your previous thread , you sound very confused and going wrong way about doing things and some counselling would help -- just to start putting things in perspective ...

[BaguaKicksAss]

Most of these so called "experts" know absolutely nothing.

 

Yeah that 40 years of training and researching must have all been for naught..

 

A highly recommended practice. Though I sometimes find that the longer I spend learning that it is sometimes difficult to remember...

Your teacup is full (Empty your cup)

 

Once, a long time ago, there was a wise Zen master. People from far and near would seek his counsel and ask for his wisdom. Many would come and ask him to teach them, enlighten them in the way of Zen. He seldom turned any away.

 

One day an important man, a man used to command and obedience came to visit the master. “I have come today to ask you to teach me about Zen. Open my mind to enlightenment.” The tone of the important man’s voice was one used to getting his own way.

 

The Zen master smiled and said that they should discuss the matter over a cup of tea. When the tea was served the master poured his visitor a cup. He poured and he poured and the tea rose to the rim and began to spill over the table and finally onto the robes of the wealthy man. Finally the visitor shouted, “Enough. You are spilling the tea all over. Can’t you see the cup is full?”

 

The master stopped pouring and smiled at his guest. “You are like this tea cup, so full that nothing more can be added. Come back to me when the cup is empty. Come back to me with an empty mind.”

[bax44]

Most of these so called "experts" know absolutely nothing.

Yikes..think I will bow out of this thread now

[SonOfTheGods]

You're exploiting the symptoms (some negative) of Kundalinic manifestation.

(if it actually is Kundalini, which I am personally doubting)

[Mal]

So what techniques are you guys talking about ? Right now I am experimenting with two techniques; right nostril breathing and focusing on the pineal gland. Haven't seen results so far yet though. I will keep experimenting with various back positions and see what I come up with. But if you have better ideas please tell me.

 

By far the most energizing practice I use often is Juru1 from PSD I also use gTumo. These are from KAP (there is a kap link in my sig) But I'm not a teacher and I'm not trying to say they are "better" (eg.in some cases, like high blood pressure these are NOT the practices to be doing)

 

edit: upon reflection perhaps something like nine step vase breathing or nine step bottled wind practice might be worth checking out via google (here is an old thread http://thetaobums.com/topic/96-nine-step-bottled-wind-practice/ )

 

As old Chi said regular practice will increase energy and charisma. I personally find I need to focus more on grounding eg http://thetaobums.com/topic/9719-dr-morriss-secret-smile-breathing-basic-kap-1-giri-for-the-tao-bumbs/

[bakeneko]

Yeah that 40 years of training and researching must have all been for naught..

 

Because *everyone* styling himself an "expert" has this experience...and this experience is genuine and based on training and research? Really *everyone*?

I go with the aforementioned statement: *Most* of these "experts" know absolutely nothing. Except writing stuff that sounds "impressive" to people with no or little experience.