Fuck karma

[RongzomFan]

Yeah but you shouldn't be making stuff up.

[C T]

Yeah but you shouldn't be making stuff up.

 

I repeat: The 12 links collapses without karma.

 

Karma is volition. The 12 links is supported by nothing other than volition.

 

Dig?

[C T]

I kid you not, Mr Rongzom's Fan. Here, look.. look..... look at the flow chart, and see what's stated just after Ignorance:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Nid%C4%81nas

[RongzomFan]

I kid you not, Mr Rongzom's Fan. Here, look.. look..... look at the flow chart, and see what's stated just after Ignorance:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Nid%C4%81nas

Unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia mean nothing.

 

And there is no reference to Karma right after Ignorance in the flowchart.

 

Edited December 14, 2013 by RongzomFan

[RongzomFan]

 

I repeat: The 12 links collapses without karma.

 

Karma is volition. The 12 links is supported by nothing other than volition.

 

Dig?

Karma means action. Hence Karmamudra.

[C T]

Did you comprehend that?

 

Then go further down, and see what comes after 'Clinging'.

 

Novel, aint it?

[C T]

Unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia mean nothing.

You are joking, right?

 

We must be talking about 2 different '12 Links' then.

 

Goodbye.

[RongzomFan]

You are joking, right?

If you are going by unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia, you got nothing.

[C T]

If you are going by unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia, you got nothing.

so, lets go by your approved version.

 

Link?

[C T]

ps - make sure its approved by Malcolm, ok?

[RongzomFan]

Why don't you try citing a book, like I do all the time?

[BaguaKicksAss]

i apologise, BKA, for being impulsive.

 

i was merely responding to Alwayson's inaccurate assertion.

 

Sorry for derailing your thread with jargon.

 

 

Really I meant it though, I want to know what you guys are talking about so I can join in the debate :>.

[C T]

Why don't you try citing a book, like I do all the time?

I like you, but you can be so very exasperating at times. Do you even realise this?

 

Which of your books would give a different '12 links', i wonder.

[RongzomFan]

 

 

Really I meant it though, I want to know what you guys are talking about so I can join in the debate :>.

I'm just saying karma is not one of the 12 links of dependent origination.

[RongzomFan]

I like you, but you can be so very exasperating at times. Do you even realise this?

 

Which of your books would give a different '12 links', i wonder.

Karma is not one of the 12 links of dependent origination.

 

Just give it up.

[C T]

 

Really I meant it though, I want to know what you guys are talking about so I can join in the debate :>.

You might find this http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/intermediate_scope/twelve_links_dependent_arising/twelve_links_01.html either very interesting or utterly baffling, but this article goes some way to explain the basis of the Twelve Links of Dependent Arising. The point most relevant to this discussion with Rongzom Fan is found under the section The First Link: Unawareness. If you consider deeply what the author wrote, then you will get a better picture of what is being debated here.

[C T]

Karma is not one of the 12 links of dependent origination.

 

Just give it up.

Maybe not your karma, but the one expounded in all of the Buddhist doctrines definitely is.

[BaguaKicksAss]

If y'all had just used the word unawareness.... . Darn words in other languages get me everytime lol.

 

But there are 12, and now we are down to one?

 

This conversation is very humbling for me ROFL.

[RongzomFan]

Maybe not your karma, but the one expounded in all of the Buddhist doctrines definitely is.

Which of the 12 links of dependent origination is karma?

 

And where is your book?

[C T]

If y'all had just used the word unawareness.... . Darn words in other languages get me everytime lol.

 

But there are 12, and now we are down to one?

 

This conversation is very humbling for me ROFL.

That one is the one which sets off the whole chain. Its very crucial to understand that one.

[C T]

Which of the 12 links of dependent origination is karma?

 

And where is your book?

Where is your version of the 12 links?

[RongzomFan]

Where is your version of the 12 links?

Is there more than one version??

[C T]

sorry, but i have to leave. its 6 am here, and time to go practice. See you later, alligator.

 

back in a few hours.

[C T]

Is there more than one version??

you are the one who keeps implying that there is.

 

Ciao, bay bee! catch yas later, alligator!

[RongzomFan]

you are the one who keeps implying that there is.

 

 

All I said was stop using Wikipedia