Ricardo Posted December 12, 2013 I was wondering if any one knew about the effects of amanita muscaria if one practice tai chi and/ or Taoist practices. I know that most drugs are yin base so unless you are practicing magick you cannot take it, but amanita muscaria seems different because it seems to access the subtle energies. I want to know if anyone has taken amanita muscaria and knows if you lose your chi from it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) If you practice Tai Chi or Taoist practice is suffice for your health. Why do you think that you need to take amanita muscaria or some other supplements? Edited December 12, 2013 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Posted December 12, 2013 Just as shamans take certain substances, so did the ancient sages of china. Of coarse you do not need to do it. My understanding different teacher on psychedelics is that they produce a lot of yin energy, which then interferes with your practice. Though amanita are a psychedelics, it is not like any other. The reason i wish to try it is because I simply wish to try it, not by recreational means, but to see what it can do. Certainly there is something within this mushroom that the Tibetans, Chinese, Agnostics, and others knew about. The feeling of your own energy and life force seems to bring about a curiosity for me. I am still more interested in the idea of what the fuel is to this fire, if it is more yang than the yin side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 13, 2013 Drugs usually flare up the mingmen fire, shortening lifespan and diminishing health. A clear normal mind is best.From what I recall, amanita muscaria is pretty toxic and requires working with someone who knows what they're doing. Plus, I've heard that the effects aren't so great or interesting from people who have tried it. So you might end up disappointed and weakened.Another thing...if you do some Taoist practices, it will make you super-sensitive to plants. DMT is produced naturally in the brain of people who practice. Depends on what you do. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deci belle Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) The Rg Veda is a huge homage to Soma, the Amanita Muscaria. The proto-taoist traditions migrating through the land of birch and pine are a seminal point in the evolution of shamanism on this planet. The mushroom has no peer. I would not necessarily limit my interest in psychotropics to a single species— or even mushrooms. Psilocybin, Peyote and Ayahuasca ought to be considered if appropriate for your psychological state. DMT is produced naturally in the brain of people who practice. Yay!!❤ ed note: add turtle's quote Edited December 13, 2013 by deci belle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z3N Posted December 13, 2013 Yes the brain is a chemical warehouse, it is a drug store basically. The natural way is the best. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deci belle Posted December 13, 2013 Mushrooms are very natural. I recommend them highly, as I do Peyote. Have you ingested psychotropics before, Ricardo? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 13, 2013 The Rg Veda is a huge homage to Soma, the Amanita Muscaria. Soma wasn't a mushroom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Amanita is called an entheogen, which means you see god (I use the term 'god' lightly here). I'm interested in trying Amanita, but not interested enough to actually try it. If you drink the urine of someone who has ingested it then their body will remove the toxins and you just get the high. Tha tis why Jesus said something like. "If you drink their water it does nothing, but if you drink my water you will enter the kingdom of heaven". Bibliophiles please correct me on this. So you see, Jesus was a big stoner himself. Red Amanita is the least toxic, with the orange ones being more toxic, and the yellow ones are just plain deadly. Apparently the drug of choice of the ancient sages was the miracle youth drug, marijuana, and I should know because I'm an ancient sage myself. One of the first writings known to history was written about 7000 years ago by a Chinese shaman and is titled Ode to the Green Bud. Edited December 13, 2013 by Starjumper 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanlung Posted December 14, 2013 Apparently the drug of choice of the ancient sages was the miracle youth drug, marijuana A spiritual herb to be treated and used sparingly with great respect. Taoistic Idiot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deci belle Posted December 14, 2013 That soma isn't a mushroom is an old ax to grind when they still had axgrinders. This is a distinction of pedants, turtle. The point is its exalted position in the great Sanskrit tradition. If you are familiar with the classic document I am referring to, the tone is one of opulent songs of adulation. The thread is about the drug. That's soma by any other name, if its about the reality, not the name contested by endless permutations of "milkweed" by clueless academics since before even last century, non? I would not start with amanita, even as it is a common variety in the lands of birch and pine. Psilocybin and/or the cactus Don Juan respectfully referred to as Mescalito, would be my first forays into psychotropics, if Ricardo is ready in terms of a healthy psychology and a mood of sobriety and wonder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Captain Mar-Vell Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) ... Thanks guys for the laughs! Especially Starjumper! I was in hysterics! I mean that in a good way! http://thetaobums.com/topic/931-what-are-you-listening-to/page-187 ... Edited December 18, 2013 by Captain Mar-Vell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianTheLion Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Drugs usually flare up the mingmen fire, shortening lifespan and diminishing health. A clear normal mind is best. Some "drugs" will intoxicate and delude the mind, whereas other "drugs" i.e. psychedelics have the ability to purify and cleanse the mind. One certainly shouldn't rely on psychedelics for the duration of the path, but for myself psychedelics proved to be a wonderful stepping stone to cultivation. I am grateful for them. Edited December 21, 2013 by BrianTheLion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianTheLion Posted December 21, 2013 Soma wasn't a mushroom. Soma is said to be a concoction of many different psychotropics. The true recipe of the soma brew is unknown. Perhaps one's soma is different from another's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Mar-Vell Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) ... Yes the brain is a chemical warehouse, it is a drug store basically. The natural way is the best. This. But the True Guru can synthesise any drug in his brain. So I've heard. ... Edited December 21, 2013 by Captain Mar-Vell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted January 16, 2014 I have used a relatively new compound called 4-Aco-DMT which is also called psilacetin...it is most likely converted into psilocin in the body. It is still legal and can be purchased from within the US if you know where to look. The resemblance to psilocybe mushrooms is quite close. see: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_dmt/4_acetoxy_dmt.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
