Philosophical (Ancient) Taoism is RAISINETS

[zenbrook]

How can a human mind overrule the mind of tao?

Beautiful

 

Thanks for the reply - I'll get back to it once I'm back (I'm away today)

 

Peace,

ZenB

[beancurdturtle]

"Real people" is a term most taoist classics use, which some translators render this way while others come up with "tao sages" or "realized humans" or "masters of old" or "people of ancient times" to describe the same entities. Like with all other things pertaining to taoist thought, you can get a lot more mileage out of "describing" than out of "defining" them; one good "description" is offered by Laozi in Chapter 15.

 

How can a human mind overrule the mind of tao?

Well, there you go. Pretty much described what I was thinking. I thought her response would be more fleshed out - and I was right.

 

After a number of years doing this stuff this "real person," "integral person," "sage," "master," "great goombah of yabba-dabba-do," or what have you becomes something you can feel. It's especially helpful if you've met one or two people who are real people and walk an "enlightened" path as easily as sitting on a tuffet.

 

Here's Peter Merel's interpolation of Chapter 15

The Saints had understanding

So profound they can not be understood.

 

Because they cannot be understood

I can only describe their appearance:

Cautious, like one crossing thin ice,

Hesitant, like one who fears danger,

Modest, like one who is a guest,

Smooth, like melting ice,

Genuine, like unshaped wood,

Empty, like a riverbed,

Opaque, like muddy water.

 

He who can lie still while the mud settles,

And remain still until the water flows

Does not seek fulfillment

And transcends Nature.

We can recognize a real person after we've had a little accepting exposure to enlightened paths. It's that person who feels, acts, and is nearly always content, accepting, frictionless, and natural - even in the most unnatural environments.

 

Many enlightened paths lead to becoming a real person. The path is details - the objective is what's important. That's why it's cool to be here and see Taomeow and others share their path.

 

I'm shooting for being the great goombah of yabba-dabba-do.

[fatherpaul]

when i was very young

i wanted to be a boy

when i was a boy

i wanted to be a man

when i was a man

i wanted to be a"true" humanbeing

when i was a true human being

i wanted not to want

when i wanted not to want

.....................................

there is this pond nearby

the ducks and turtles play

the bullfrogs bellow

......................................

 

without a want

i

type

these

words

 

peace

 

paul