Its cold out there, what are your thoughts on Tummo?

[Thunder_Gooch]

Lot's of good evidence on tummo here:

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/31216-best-hard-evidence-for-real-abilities/

[BaguaKicksAss]

For those of you who are not superman do consider the fact that walking outside in the wind when you have been inside can lead to what the Chinese call Wind Cold Invasion. Even just a brief dash outside to get the newspaper or your car keys.

There are some wonderful Chinese medicine formulas to keep on one's shelf that address this, and, if taken at the first sign of the cold, can ward it off.

 

For those of you who are superman do consider the fact that if you heat yourself to the point of perspiration then go outside in the cold wind the evaporative cooling can cause wind cold invasion. Same thing in the summer time working out under a ceiling fan.

 

I think it a perfectly valid point that if one drives the qi to the surface (without properly cultivating dan tian) that it can make the body weaker. I have seen this a lot with some of the "iron body" practices. I also think it a perfectly valid fact that, once the dan tian is cultivated, if the wei qi is reinforced, that one's susceptibility to "external pernicious influences" is less. I haven't been sick with cold or flu for a very long time and used to work on clients with the flu all the time. I know most of the long term neigong practitioners have less sick days than non practitioners; it appears common that long-term practitioners rarely get a cold. I also think that we should always err on the side of caution and use common sense. Wearing a windbreaker is common sense.

 

We have had neigong workshops in the winter where we heated really cold rooms to the point people were asking me to cut the heater off (it never was turned on). We always get really warm when doing the practice. I often go outside with just shirtsleeves in the winter and if I am doing Stillness-Movement or Gift of the Tao I stay warm. But I also use common sense, like turtle shell says, if I am going to be in a prolonged exposure situation, especially to the wind.

 

Master Wang was famous for swimming in lakes in the winter and for walking around in a short sleeve shirt during the winter. Somewhere I have a pic of him dated in January coming out of a lake with no clothes on. One of his friends gave it to me.

 

We have a clinical qigong technique where in most cases we can instantly warm someone up. I used it on a frozen goat one time - yes, frozen in the water - and revived her (oh well, must have been placebo as I just mentally convinced the goat to warm up by itself ), and have used it many times in clinic with success. A lot of people with not much qi are cold; for instance after a surgery or illness or injury.

 

I'm guessing you don't mean literally don't go out in the strong wind, as that would mean not walking anywhere all winter . Shell jacket I hope.

 

I remember doing some Bagua in the wind once, it was horrid. The other times which weren't in a giant open field were OK, but that one time, horrible.

 

Folks who live in really windy cities I figure must get acclimated to it somehow?

[h.uriahr]

Tummo is awesome. Santiago Dobles is a Man-on-Fire I get hot but more than that I feel an internal melting. I love it.

[Uroboros]

Well that explains why every teacher I've had says don't practice in the wind. Thanks . Rain, snow, whatever, but not wind...

 

I was taught to be mindful of the weather as well. The cold is what really gets me. Not so much the wind.

 

I have to be sure to protect my kidneys when it is cold, as the cold can weaken them more. Cold wind? Weeew....

[Wells]

I think it a perfectly valid point that if one drives the qi to the surface (without properly cultivating dan tian) that it can make the body weaker. [...] I also think it a perfectly valid fact that, once the dan tian is cultivated, if the wei qi is reinforced, that one's susceptibility to "external pernicious influences" is less.

 

Exactly, I absolutely agree.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Dorian Black

[BaguaKicksAss]

Edited December 24, 2013 by BaguaKicksAss

[suninmyeyes]

In many cultures swimming in cold has been done traditionally either for religious purposes or for health benefits . My Polish friend and people of her town go swimming in -30 and water is -1 for fun and as a way to warm up (so she said )and have done so since kids . Whereas in many places this would maybe arouse contraversy and maybe even accusations of child neglect .

It is my belief that this is one way for people to acclimatise and get their body used to harsh conditions depending where they come from . Human body has a lot of unxplored potential .

Somtimes very extreme conditions are required for that potential to come out . It is almost like some sort of friction needs to be created . In a way this is what we are doing with various cultivation practises too .

 

 

Following is translated from website that I lost (sorry):

"Siberian children enjoy swimming icy river.The local swimming club in the Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk winter organizes swimming in the cold water of the river Yenisei. Every year swimmers are getting younger and younger ."

Edited December 24, 2013 by suninmyeyes

[Thunder_Gooch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3d_F6Fv6g

 

 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0058244

 

 

The g-tummo meditative practice controls "inner energy" and is considered by Tibetan practitioners as one of the most sacred spiritual practices in the region. Monasteries maintaining g-tummo traditions are very rare and are mostly located in the remote areas of eastern Tibet.

 

The researchers collected data during the unique ceremony in Tibet, where nuns were able to raise their core body temperature and dry up wet sheets wrapped around their bodies in the cold Himalayan weather (-25 degree Celsius) while meditating. Using electroencephalography (EEG) recordings and temperature measures, the team observed increases in core body temperature up to 38.3 degree Celsius.

[BaguaKicksAss]

 

In many cultures swimming in cold has been done traditionally either for religious purposes or for health benefits . My Polish friend and people of her town go swimming in -30 and water is -1 for fun and as a way to warm up (so she said )and have done so since kids . Whereas in many places this would maybe arouse contraversy and maybe even accusations of child neglect .

It is my belief that this is one way for people to acclimatise and get their body used to harsh conditions depending where they come from . Human body has a lot of unxplored potential .

Somtimes very extreme conditions are required for that potential to come out . It is almost like some sort of friction needs to be created . In a way this is what we are doing with various cultivation practises too .

 

 

Following is translated from website that I lost (sorry):

"Siberian children enjoy swimming icy river.The local swimming club in the Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk winter organizes swimming in the cold water of the river Yenisei. Every year swimmers are getting younger and younger ."

 

I'm going to file this under "not there yet"

[Ya Mu]

I'm guessing you don't mean literally don't go out in the strong wind, as that would mean not walking anywhere all winter . Shell jacket I hope.

 

I remember doing some Bagua in the wind once, it was horrid. The other times which weren't in a giant open field were OK, but that one time, horrible.

 

Folks who live in really windy cities I figure must get acclimated to it somehow?

 

I am advocating people to use common sense and DO wear windbreakers.

Usually I call in the wind but am not a fan of cold wind. I would not wish to live where the winds are strong all the time either. Although it could be useful if a person wants to put up windmills for electricity.

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Forgot to put in my last post under the perfectly valid points opinion that I think it a perfectly valid point that practices open up the channels and can lead to increased need for staying out of the wind.

At some point, after inner fire cultivation, the surface qi should be strong enough to help decrease the effect. Common sense as mentioned above goes a long way. I am not a fan of cold wind and "wind cold invasion" is extremely common. DO wear your windbreakers.

 

Just like heating a person up with medical qigong we also have techniques to cool them down which is especially clinically useful with some of the "fire" signs such as external redness eruptions.

Here is a link to the description of the frozen goat medical qigong I mentioned in my last post.

[BaguaKicksAss]

What you mean like "if you feel like you are freezing your behind off and not enjoying the wind get indoors!"

[Enishi]

Cold wind on my ears, along with mandatory flu shots at work, are among the few things that I've noticed can unbalance me health-wise at this point.

Well, those along with a giant order of nutritionally deficient cheesy bread.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Mandatory flu shots?! Wow, lame.

[Enishi]

Mandatory flu shots?! Wow, lame.

 

Yeah, I'm not to happy about it. I tend to be on the fence in regards to the vaccine debate, but being forced to get them makes me WANT to lean towards the anti-vaccine side. Whenever I get one I notice that although I can still my mind to the same degree, I can't manipulate qi or sense as well.

 

Still, good jobs are scarce and bills and qigong workshops don't pay for themselves, lol. Usually the negative effects fade after a couple hours.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Enishi

[Green Tiger]

The Bliss Of Inner Fire free .pdf preview of 51 pages!

 

Merry Christmas!

 

http://www.wisdompubs.org/sites/default/files/preview/Bliss%20of%20Inner%20Fire%20Book%20Preview.pdf

 

EDIT: Underlining book title!

 

Thanks for the Christmas gift. Definitely interested in reading the rest of it. Here are a few things I highlighted:

 

 

Lama had a very open heart and mind; he was open to all traditions

of Tibetan Buddhism and to all religions. He had a very broad view

and was also very farsighted. There was nothing tight, closed, or limited

about Lama’s approach to life. He was not someone walking a

narrow road.

 

Page x

 

 

 

Lama told me that the whole point is to transform every action

you do—eating, drinking, sleeping—into Dharma, so that your life

becomes meaningful.

 

Page xi

 

 

 

In tantra we are dealing with pleasure, not with pain. The person

who is qualified to practice tantra is able to cope with pleasure, to

experience pleasure without losing control, to utilize it. This is the

essential characteristic of the tantric personality. Tantra does not

work for people who are miserable, because they have no resource of

pleasure to utilize.

 

Page 21

 

 

 

Of course, any path utilizing the powerful and potentially destructive

energies of desire and the other delusions is dangerous indeed. If

followed improperly or with a selfish motivation, tantra can lead the

misguided practitioner into realms of mental and physical suffering of

unimaginable enormity. That is why even though tantric techniques

may be outlined in a book such as this, they can only be followed

safely and productively under the watchful eye of a fully qualified

tantric master, and only by those who cultivate a particularly powerful

altruistic motivation, receive the requisite empowerments, keep

purely their tantric pledges, and undergo the proper preliminary

trainings. It is said that for those who do rely on an accomplished

tantric master and observe the precepts of tantric practice purely, it is

possible to reach the goal of full enlightenment within the space of

one short human lifetime, even within a few years.

 

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[SonOfTheGods]

gTummo can be beneficial.

 

Just a warning to those who aren't too familiar with this though:

 

If working with Qi is your thing, and you daily partake in MCO, ZZ, etc... it is possible, someday- that your Kundalini will ignite.

 

Now, doing the gTummo trip teaches your body to produce heat quickly.

Sometimes, it is hard to unteach the body things.

 

Your tantien enjoys the compression/condensing- and can readily work it's magick all too easy after awhile.

 

However, should that Kundalini start to arouse - (play with gTummo and you have a very good chance!)- you better be training the water path simultaneously (at least, know it well enough to cool) - or prepared to get burnt.

Edited December 25, 2013 by SonOfTheGods

[LeoViridis]

I think gtummo is a good practice, and there is not much to argue about whether it is real or not... it has been pretty much proven by Harvard researchers. Still, as with most things, there is a lot of scamming in this field. A lot of teachers in the west claim to teach gtummo, but are nothing but frauds... or so I've heard. Regarding the debate that went on on the second page of this topic, I have to say I agree with Dorian Black's opinion... someone who has a good grasp of gtummo won't really be bothered by some wind. All in all, gtummo is great, but unfortunately, getting a good teacher can apparently be quite hard.

[SonOfTheGods]

The production of heat, is not confined only to gTummo, etc.

 

Obviously, John Chang can do it (producing fire) - but also, magickians have been doing it for ages, too.

 

Franz Bardon teaches it in his books. (others also do)

 

Cultivating inner fire, (element) and then releasing it (onto a piece of paper, etc)

[C T]

I think gtummo is a good practice, and there is not much to argue about whether it is real or not... it has been pretty much proven by Harvard researchers. Still, as with most things, there is a lot of scamming in this field. A lot of teachers in the west claim to teach gtummo, but are nothing but frauds... or so I've heard. Regarding the debate that went on on the second page of this topic, I have to say I agree with Dorian Black's opinion... someone who has a good grasp of gtummo won't really be bothered by some wind. All in all, gtummo is great, but unfortunately, getting a good teacher can apparently be quite hard.

i can forward 8 clips of authentic neigung masters from China demonstrating their art, practicing or teaching, and all of them are fully clothed, from the neck down.

 

can you show 4 clips of Chinese neigung masters doing the same, but bare-bodied?

 

i dont think you understand what harm excessive wind exposure can lead to, even for those who have regulated inner fire.

[JohnC]

Cool thread. I enjoyed everything everyone brought.

[Wells]

i can forward 8 clips of authentic neigung masters from China demonstrating their art, practicing or teaching, and all of them are fully clothed, from the neck down.

 

can you show 4 clips of Chinese neigung masters doing the same, but bare-bodied?

 

i dont think you understand what harm excessive wind exposure can lead to, even for those who have regulated inner fire.

 

"Authentic neigung masters from China"...

Well, there are only 2 ways to determine if someone is an "authentic Nei Kung master":

1) A demonstration of Neijin.

1) Another well-known master or practitioner of Nei Kung confirms it.

[C T]

"Authentic neigung masters from China"...

Well, there are only 2 ways to determine if someone is an "authentic Nei Kung master":

1) A demonstration of Neijin.

1) Another well-known master or practitioner of Nei Kung confirms it.

My grandfather is a TCM doctor (specialised in bone healing) from Guangdong. Where is your grandfather from?

 

I am speaking from an authentic background, not something i learnt from a western disciple of a Chinese master.

[Wells]

My grandfather is a TCM doctor (specialised in bone healing) from Guangdong. Where is your grandfather from?

I am speaking from an authentic background, not something i learnt from a western disciple of a Chinese master.

 

Yea, an authentic TCM background! And how does that qualify you (or even your grandfather) to determine who is a Nei Kung master or not?

[C T]

Yea, an authentic TCM background! And how does that qualify you (or even your grandfather) to determine who is a Nei Kung master or not?

the point of the discussion is whether or not excessive exposure to wind can have a detrimental effect, not how to qualify an authentic neigung master.

 

What is your point anyway? That you can, and i cant, is that it?

[Wells]

the point of the discussion is whether or not excessive exposure to wind can have a detrimental effect, not how to qualify an authentic neigung master.

 

What is your point anyway? That you can, and i cant, is that it?

 

i can forward 8 clips of authentic neigung masters from China demonstrating their art, practicing or teaching, and all of them are fully clothed, from the neck down.

 

can you show 4 clips of Chinese neigung masters doing the same, but bare-bodied?

 

i dont think you understand what harm excessive wind exposure can lead to, even for those who have regulated inner fire.

 

My point is that I doubt that you can forward videoclips of authentic Nei Kung masters practicing or teaching.