bad energy , negative attacks, what to do ?

[3bob]

,,,and there is that saying along the lines of samsara seen correctly is nirvana, thus ends perception bound by apparent illusion.

[C T]

If not a single thing is out of shape - why would one make a bodhisattva vow?

To maintain and encourage the aspirations of fledgling bodhisattvas.

 

To increase perfection and fulfil the endless needs of samsaric beings, which is neither existent nor non-existent, arising only due to a conglomeration of causes and conditions.

 

For every samsaric seed, there is an equivalent seed of buddhahood.

 

When one arise, the other arise. Interdependently.

[deci belle]

Do you?

 

haha!! Having already reached that state, where there has never been a buddha, I can say that ceasing to exist, experiencing nonoriginated selfless aware nature of the absolute, IS death …as dead as anyone has ever been, at least. This is return. Having returned to the source, this is as far as anyone can go. This is the extreme of the limit of the limitless. People can go no further. That is why I say it (death) does not exist and that (the living of this) "life" is an illusion.

 

That there is no separation between this illusionary existence and that real nonexistence is no mean feat. It is knowledge of the first water.

 

Having come back from death, death of the self, death of the mind that has been thinking up the illusions of existence and having realized that which has never begun (one's own mind stripped of the false identity,) I am already serving humanity.

 

Just these posts are it~ get it while it's hot!!❤

 

In the mean-time, I'll just be a lady-in-waiting~ heehee!!

[thetaoiseasy]

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Edited March 24, 2014 by thetaoiseasy

[C T]

That is why I say it (death) does not exist and that (the living of this) "life" is an illusion.

 

That there is no separation between this illusionary existence and that real nonexistence is no mean feat.

Agreed, its no mean feat.

[3bob]

I have some beach front property in Arizona for sale, its hot to. lol

 

(when in the hell are you going to get over it Deci?)

Edited January 23, 2014 by 3bob

[skydog]

ohlaa prietaasss

Edited January 23, 2014 by skydog

[deci belle]

That there is bad energy, (contentiousness) and negative attacks by ignoramuses by a sheer compulsion to the killing-energy of obstructionism expressing itself in such people in what amounts to a supposedly unconscious bald-faced warfare, the wisdom in the Art of War which is included in the Taoist canon for a good reason, can be developed and utilized in order to eliminate sources of petty obstructionism (which includes among other devices, the effective use of withdrawal).

 

That obstructionism as over against the expression of the Way exists, and isn't a reflection of the teachings or the potential to pass on the teachings by skillful means, is indicative of the fact that the obstructionism of the obstructed is the very reason for the teachings in the first place.

 

In times of obstruction, the wise go into hiding (this is also mirrored in the individual in that when one is obstructed by karma, one's inherent wisdom is hidden). The limited understanding and obstructionism of certain bums hovering over this thread has been expressed (most reasonably) as to portray the way of the wise as a matter of omnipotence. Inferring, of course, that those whose effect is less than omnipotent, are obviously less than the source of wisdom itself.

 

Others bent on a style of a more plodding reason, take to projecting a mechanical relationship with inconceivability.

 

There is another style, hopefully extinct, of "occupation" of threads by those whose penchant for recreational philosophy cannot meet the demands of higher consciousness of the inconceivable, pathetic as that "technique" is… None of these literary approaches to obstructionism of enlightening teaching will do, for long.

 

These same people hardly consider their own minds the source of enlightenment itself. As such, they are completely unaware that their own understanding is ignorance itself.

 

To be unaware of one's own ignorance is the working definition of ignorance.

 

I don't go around calling what I do enlightened activity. It is called enlightening activity for a reason. Anyone whose virtue is sufficient to recognize the expression of enlightened mind and realize that one's own mind is inherently thus, knows that it is conditioning which is obscuring the activity of the buddha-mind in oneself and others. Since these people see this ignorance by virtue of cultivated self-refinement eventually leading to sudden realization, they are not ignorant— even though their own understanding is still obstructed.

 

Ignorance is being ignorant of one's ignorance. How could such a one ever recognize enlightening activity in the wise?

 

What is possible to do (or not) in response to bad energy and negative attacks depends on the time.

 

The Art of War states that victory depends on the enemy. So eventual elimination of obstructionism on the part of certain people whose understanding is less than developed sufficiently to recognize skillful means on this forum as the expression of wisdom by enlightening beings in their midst, is up to the ability of enlightening beings to adapt to these ignorant ones.

 

Therefore, selfless adaption on the part of enlightening beings depends on the ignorant themselves.

 

If it were a matter of omnipotence, it would be instantaneous (and also the state of utter responsibility for one's (non)existence on the part of those insisting on omnipotence on the part of others). Sudden enlightenment is like this. Since all people have this buddha-mind, and all people are already enlightened, it is a matter of these deluded people cultivating themselves by gradual refinement to sufficient levels to free themselves of obstructionism in order to see the expression of enlightening activity already in their midst.

 

Still, some bums have had to be counseled (brow-beaten?) by their peers or banned before accomplishing the relative elimination (however temporary) of their compulsion to obstructionism of enlightening activity.

 

The sage's knowledge of the sameness of all people is the reason why omnipotence is unreal. Omnipotence is like Hitler, and the results are hell-on-earth when omnipotence is being practiced.

 

Obstructionists consider themselves logical and reasonable, not obstructed. When they are presented with their own reasonable reflection on the part of the enlightened, they find this objectionable. Why? Because they only see the reflection, they don't see themselves. Why? They don't see themselves obstructed to start with due to karmic and self-conscious evolution of the illusory self.

 

As I had written above in the closing lines of post #2, enlightening being is a mirror for those whose compulsion for obstructionism and self-delusion (however subtle) is as yet active and killing the potential for the expression of enlightened mind in themselves and others.

 

Perhaps these reasonable ones seek to take on the responsibility of being a mirror for enlightening beings? Only selflessness has the knowledge of objectivity, which is beyond the ken of the deluded.

 

Perhaps they need to be reminded that they must first see essence on their own, and then seek a teacher. The reasonable ones have yet to see their own mind, their own enlightened mirror, this mirror that has never needed polishing~

 

It only needs to be seen.❤

 

 

 

 

 

ed note: add "(or not)" in paragraph 10, and "in themselves and others" at the end of paragraph 16

Edited January 24, 2014 by deci belle

[johndoe2012]

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[Songtsan]

That there is bad energy, (contentiousness) and negative attacks by ignoramuses by a sheer compulsion to the killing-energy of obstructionism expressing itself in such people in what amounts to a supposedly unconscious bald-faced warfare, the wisdom in the Art of War which is included in the Taoist canon for a good reason, can be developed and utilized in order to eliminate sources of petty obstructionism (which includes among other devices, the effective use of withdrawal).

 

...this is a very interesting post.

 

I have often wondered why on a site regarding spirituality and self-cultivation striving towards true seeing that members seem to get mired in personal dislikes for what most people should know are illusionary constructs (i.e. personas, egos, etc.).

 

It is very wasteful on resources, and I could see why withdrawing would be useful. Yet in this situation, could not one treat the disparaging comments and perceived 'petty annoyances' as 'dust in the eye' and just let a blink wash it away? One need not address the dirt and take it to task. It is, after all, just action/reaction chains as usual. To let it stress you in any way is getting involved in wars with illusions.

[idiot_stimpy]

Study awareness teachings, find out that no matter what you do to improve yourself, you are still awareness.

 

I find being in presence of awake people helps a lot. The silence is enough.

 

Words can hinder development in that they cause unconcious reactions in you.

 

I read a tale of one man that climbed a mountain to visit a hermitage of Taoist hermits. Being in their presence gave a calm feeling and when looked directly in the eye a certain transmission of energy happened.

[C T]

I read a tale of one man that climbed a mountain to visit a hermitage of Taoist hermits. Being in their presence gave a calm feeling and when looked directly in the eye a certain transmission of energy happened.

do you think doing self-tonglen can engender a similar transmission? some practitioners say it can. just a thought.

[Songtsan]

do you think doing self-tonglen can engender a similar transmission? some practitioners say it can. just a thought.

 

I have practiced some Tonglen and found it useful and freeing - when you embrace negativity, especially that coming at you personally, it becomes not so uncomfortable, and in fact gives one a sense of ego transcendence, when one decides not to act in habitual and stereotypical knee-jerk ways. Then there is nothing to defend, because you invite in what may come without complaint, even seeing it as your spiritual work.

[johndoe2012]

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Edited January 11, 2015 by johndoe2012

[3bob]

Transmission from the divine is more important than what some teachers call practices of the lower mind.

 

I'd say there are some catches to that Chris, since transmission form the divine can blow you up without some preparations of the so called lower mind.

[Jeff]

I'd say there are some catches to that Chris, since transmission form the divine can blow you up without some preparations of the so called lower mind.

 

How so? I have found that it is sort of "self leveling". That nothing really comes unless one is basically ready. (Also, doesn't mean that it won't potentially be a wild ride).

[3bob]

there is good reason for purification practices of body and mind because an influx of energies will tend to magnify whatever is happening with someone, (like a rocket into the sky or a rocket into the ground) thus better to clean up certain conditions before hand. (being that there are methods people have used that more or less try to force energies which includes by-passing self-leveling before proper preparations)

[Jeff]

there is good reason for purification practices of body and mind because an influx of energies will tend to magnify whatever is happening with someone, (like a rocket into the sky or a rocket into the ground) thus better to clean up certain conditions before hand. (being that there are methods people have used that more or less try to force energies which includes by-passing self-leveling before proper preparations)

 

Makes sense. Increasing clarity (or purification) is always a helpful thing.

[C T]

Transmission from the divine is more important than what some teachers call practices of the lower mind.

none more divine than your own real nature... self-tonglen then, if done correctly, is all about revealing the primordial qualities of one's own 'divine' nature, which is empty yet ever-present (luminously so).

 

What the sages transmit, are you saying its something external to their manifested, stabled self-real-ization? I hope you are not implying that.

[johndoe2012]

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[johndoe2012]

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[deci belle]

Teachings are attributable.

 

By virtue of having a body it is possible to assume the unattributable. This is not a method, which is the first thing that came out of bob's mouth in his projections onto what I call enlightening activity.

 

Inconceivability has no polarity.

 

It is not that one is invulnerable. It is that one's light is selfless. That there is nothing outside of one's self is the teaching that nothing is not this light.

 

Enlightening being is acceptance of one's selfless function (having seen it).

 

It is not done.

 

Yet nothing is not-done. Seeing is just it. Seeing almost always takes care of everything that needs to be done. For the most part, it is a matter of holding; otherwise it is a matter of releasing.

 

One is always letting go in the course of situations. Holding and releasing is a different operation left to the time.

 

When shit happens, it's real shit.

 

Don't pretend it's not. Don't pretend it's what it isn't. Don't seek ways to spiritually protect yourself. Reality isn't right or wrong, before or after, self or other, ordinary or holy.

 

DEAL WITH IT.

 

At the right time, engage with it or withdraw from it. This depends on the situation itself.

 

If you haven't seen your nature, this becomes karmic action. If your function is enlightening, there is no choice.

 

In any case, each situation is unique.

 

Result is an inevitability. For those who live in the present, the result is in perpetuity. It is the celestial mechanism, which is not apart from one's being.

 

Accepting one's function and dealing with situations on their terms according to the time isn't a method as much as it is a result of one's virtuous harmony with the tao. This is abiding in the pivot of awareness.

 

This gets back to the fact that selfless awareness IS one's true identity; not a practical theory of enlightened practice.

 

 

 

 

ed note: change "requires" to "becomes" in 12th line

Edited January 31, 2014 by deci belle

[Songtsan]

Teachings are attributable.

 

By virtue of having a body it is possible to assume the unattributable. This is not a method, which is the first thing that came out of bob's mouth in his projections onto what i call enlightening activity.

 

Inconceivability has no polarity.

 

It is not that one is invulnerable. It is that one's light is selfless. That there is nothing outside of one's self, nothing is not light.

 

Enlightening being is acceptance of one's selfless function (having seen it).

 

It is not done.

 

Yet nothing is not-done.

 

When shit happens, its real shit.

 

Don't pretend it's not. Don't pretend it's what it isn't. Don't seek ways to spiritually protect yourself. Reality isn't right or wrong, before or after, self or other, ordinary or holy.

 

DEAL WITH IT.

 

At the right time, engage with it or withdraw from it. This depends on the situation itself.

 

If you haven't seen your nature, this requires karmic action. If your function is enlightening, there is no choice.

 

In any case, each situation is unique.

 

Result is an inevitability. For those who live in the present, the result is in perpetuity. It is the celestial mechanism, which is not apart from one's being.

 

Accepting one's function and dealing with situations on their terms according to the time isn't a method as much as it is a result of one's virtuous harmony with the tao. This is abiding in the pivot of awareness.

 

This gets back to the fact that selfless awareness IS one's true identity; not a practical theory of enlightened practice.

 

fucking awesome

[deci belle]

Merci, sun+Song…❤

 

If you haven't seen your nature, this becomes karmic action. If your function is enlightening, there is no choice.

 

This is very difficult to express because enlightening function (selfless karma transcending activity) is the virtue of the Way already. Your nature is none other than the source of spiritual power that transports you through situations as described by Hongzhi's statement in sun's OP. I have always said that seeing reality is not dependent on sudden realization. Seeing reality IS enlightening activity. Seeing reality IS just turning the light around to shine on its source.

 

True practice is already practicing complete reality in the midst of ordinary situations. In terms of seeing, nothing is left undone, as the perpetual result is incipient presence. It wouldn't be presence if one's action deviated from reality as is. Since one's acts are inevitable in terms of the situation itself, and one doesn't see things relative to speculative outcomes, where is karmic evolution accrued?

 

If you haven't seen your nature but have developed the bones and marrow of a buddha over countless lifetimes, then the harmonizing of the light of awareness that results in being able to see beyond the concerns of the person(s) involved in ordinary situations becomes evident and effective.

 

Obviously, if one's virtue hasn't developed to this extent, future karmic indebtedness is inevitable. But one has the opportunity as a person to enter into a complete resolve of unbending intent to refine the self of habitual patterns that has real results in this and future lifetimes.

 

It all boils down to not seeing through the eyes of the personal interests that have taken up residence as the false identity of Mind. One does not then seek to see through other(s) eyes. This is not a convention of squishy compassion.

 

It is a matter of no longer entertaining views relative to complacent speculative relationships with anybody or anything. It is called fearless independence.

 

One simply stops knowing things relative to self and other to the degree that what comes up due to one's past karmic affiliations no longer creates future bonds— positive or negative. Then, that which IS inevitable will not be obfuscated by the flow of habit awareness and the self-generated weaving of hairs.

 

Not producing karma is the same as saving energy— freeing energy. You could even call it stealing potential, because that is exactly what stealing potential is— not producing karma. When not producing karma in the course of ordinary affairs, one is stealing potential. Stealing potential is another way of saying freeing elixir from the matrix of creation. By not thinking about causes and effects in the course of freeing potential, one is then storing it away in secrecy void of intellectualism.

 

That is all there is to the entire teaching of subtle spiritual operation. It is not a method. It is the description of the celestial take-over by complete human beings. One enacts this oneself by seeing in the first place. It is not a thing or things that one does. It is more like what you don't do in the course of affairs is producing this enlightening results. It is called the unification of potential within creative evolution.

 

It is called subtle for a reason. Believe it.

 

By not thinking self and other, the firing process is natural and spontaneous. The fact that there are spiritually transcending results is, well… entry into the inconceivable. This is not a nod to sudden realization. It is enlightening being already.❤

 

So there is no need to cultivate pre-emptive positive merit-practices to ward off evil and attract good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ed note: typos in 2nd, add "It is called subtle for a reason. Believe it." after the 8th paragraph

Edited February 1, 2014 by deci belle

[z00se]

This is one way ...Just reading this book and feel like sharing ..

 

"Cultivating the empty field " by Hongzhi

 

(a for you know who you are )

 

 

ALL BEINGS ARE YOUR ANCESTORS

 

Fully appreciate the emptiness of all dharmas . Then all minds are free and all dusts evaporate in original brilliance shining everywhere .

Transforming according to circumstances , meet all beings as your ancestors .

Subtly illuminate all conditions , magnanimous beyond all duality .

Clear and desirelss, the wind in the pines and the moon in the water are content in their elements .Without minds interacting ,(wind and pines or moon and water ) do not impede on another .

Essentially you exist inside emptiness and have capacity to respond outwardly without being annoyed , like spring blossoming, like mirror reflecting forms . Amid all the noise spontaneously emerge transcendent .

 

 

I think this is a fast easy and effective way.... check it out on youtube, it could answer 90% of the problems people post for on here!