dee Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) - Edited February 5, 2014 by dee 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted January 22, 2014 All desires are driven by the one truest desire, satisfy that truest desire and the rest fall into dharmic place. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiverSnake Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Hormones and Thought Forms  My 2 cents, Peaceful Edited January 22, 2014 by OldChi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 22, 2014 "Desire" is another one of those tricky concepts. In Taoism we are told that we should "lessen" our desires, not eliminate them. Â Yes, to desire something we are longing to have something that does not yet exist. Â I would separate desires into two categories, our needs and our wants. Â I see no problem with desiring to have our basic needs; food, shelter, clothing, and security. (Some like to add love or acceptance in with this group.) Â Wants, however, are just things we wish we had even though we already have what we need. These are what might lead us astray and cause us to be dissatisfied with life and even ourself. We need to eliminate these as much as possible. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9th Posted January 22, 2014 "Now this, monks, is the noble truth of stress: Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair are stressful; association with the unbeloved is stressful, separation from the loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging-aggregates are stressful.  "And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensual pleasure, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.  "And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving.   - Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 22, 2014 Yes, I know that is Buddhism but I still like it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 22, 2014 Impulse from Venus / Mars Id line, brining Moon (sub-concious) to base, often without regulating Mercurious aspect of the Ego triangle where it links to Sun-Moon conjoined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Marblehead Posted January 23, 2014 Here is another Point of View on Desire-thoughts and Thought-desires That is what I would call moving our "want-desires" into our "need-desires" basket. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 23, 2014 I want to know if desires are real; and not actually a need of control or fear of uncertainty. Wow! You sure want a lot. Hehehe. Â Desires are psychological. But yes, they are real in our mind. And yes, fear and uncertainty play a large role in this concept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted January 23, 2014 Anything is only real, if you believe it to be real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 23, 2014 Anything is only real, if you believe it to be real. That is true. And that is oftentimes the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Stosh Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) No, 'anything isnt real depending only on if you believe it' , because, If reality smacks you in the head, you will feel it whether or not you intended to believe it. Your belief followed the event. Surprise alone is sufficient to demonstrate your beliefs dont create the context of reality, your beliefs only delineate your subjective view of reality,, which is quite a different thing. Edited January 23, 2014 by Stosh 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suninmyeyes Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Lol, I'm simply wanting to get to the bottom of desires and understand them for what they are so we are not illusioned by what they are not (if that makes sense). I'm proposing the theory that desires are not really desires (since we desire what is not there and has no existence) but are labeled desires and under that label is our need to control certain outcomes which stem from fear. Does that make more sense? If there is noone who has desire -- there is no people . It is like a game of life . Desire is bottomless , it exists as possibility , but what doesnt need to be done is swayed by every desire discovered . No need to respond to everything and posses . Edited January 23, 2014 by suninmyeyes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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C T Posted January 23, 2014 Desires exist in myriad forms, relative to individual karmic patterning. It exists, even if one does not possess any knowledge of karma. It is the oldest invisible trip-wire in the history of mankind. Â Based on your argument, the need to control the future is a form of desire, so your statement above is kinda skewed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted January 23, 2014 You cant control the future, you can only act in the present to bring about what you expect would be a good future. The motivation exists in the present , or you wouldnt be able to do anything intensional. Which I am sure you do ..so the thing that doesnt exist would be the future that one did not eventually exist in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9th Posted January 23, 2014 It seems no one is understanding my question here. I'll try to re-word it as best as I can. Â My statement is that: Desire does not exist; and actually is our need to control the future. Â Can someone please refute this. Â Â If I were to say "you dont exist, you are actually just a collection of elemental processes interacting with the environment", can you refute that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Stosh Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) If I were to say "you dont exist, you are actually just a collection of elemental processes interacting with the environment", can you refute that? The division between you and your environment is an illusion . You eat and breathe drop hairs exert gravity etc. Though your internal pressures are in balance with air pressue youd come apart without it . You are but an imagined subdivision of a whole. Edited January 24, 2014 by Stosh 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9th Posted January 24, 2014 What you see me as is relative to your understanding; therefore as much as I try I cannot refute such a statement. Â The same can be applied to your statement about desire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 24, 2014 It seems no one is understanding my question here. I'll try to re-word it as best as I can. Â My statement is that: Desire does not exist; and actually is our need to control the future. Â Can someone please refute this. Of course I can. Desires exist in our mind. They are real to us individually. Different people will have different desires but they are desires none-the-less. Â I do agree with you regarding our desire to control our future. But not all people have this desire, I think. Some people just accept what is or what others have laid out for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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