Techniques To Condense/Compress Your Dan Tien?

[thamosh]

I was at work an a few thoughts relative to this thread just came into my mind.

 

There is no super secret neikung. Only higher level of gong fu.

 

So things like iron body/golden bell, vibrating palm(or any palm), dim yuet, empty force, and so on is just kung fu if you practice kung fu this is what you are suppose to develop.....

 

Now the above isnt even the indoor skills thats not taught publicly.

 

So when I see things like mantak chia's bone breathing kidney breathing and so forth and selling it in a book as advance neikung it just seems like utter and complete crap.

 

The truth is that good kung fu gets you all of the internal skills and a chance to inherit some of the things that are not pulicly dicussed.

 

Thats my first point.

 

My second is that yes there is higher level kung fu forms.

 

Meaning - That a lower level form when done produces little chi sensation no heat no buzzing and not much chi flow.

 

- The higher level form just after a few movements produces alot of heat intense buzzing powerful chiflow and your shen feels like its being charged.

 

Now there are even higher level kung fu forms than that that exist.

 

What is quoted below is just to further my point that good kung fu is all one needs.

 

Quoted from here http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29728-Red-Sand-Palm

 

 

Anywho,supposedly the practitioner of "Red Sand Palm" doesn't even strike the person. He can make a movement of "rubbing" with the palm at a distance and it effects the enemy. Supposedly it not only internally effects organs but also the flow of qi and the damage is irreparable.

 

 

Red Sand Palm is also known by the name "Cinnibar Palm", which pertains to the fact that such intense energy is cultivated from the Dan Tian (Cinnibar Field) and focused into the palms that the practitioners palms turns red because of the intensity of energy and blood circulation.

The training method for this is said to be by rubbing your hands over fine course sand. However, particular attention must be placed in the projection of qi from your palms to be able to influence the sand below your palms. Hence it's more internal (and destructive) nature

 

 

Iron Sand Palm and whose palms were red. Hence the name, Cinnabar Iron Sand
Palm. Gu Ruzhang's Iron Sand Palm was called Black Sand Palm or Hei Sha Zhang.
Naturally, Gu Ruzhang's palms were black. Both Iron Sand Palms are known as
Poison Sand Palm or Tu Sha Chang. The training methods for both Cinnabar and
Black Iron Sand Palms are similar.

 

 

Gu Ruzhang was matched against the Cinnabar Master,
the fight was titled, Black Iron Sand Palm Master verses Red Iron Sand Palm
Master. The Red Cinnabar Iron Sand Palm Master used his Bagua techniques to
circle Gu Ruzhang and looked for an opening. When the Red Cinnabar Iron Sand
Palm Master attacked, Gu Ruzhang avoid the deadly red palm and counter-attacked.
Within three moves Gu Ruzhang struck his opponent with his Black Iron Sand Palm
and knocked his opponent down. On his opponent's chest, was Gu Ruzhang's black
palm imprint. Gu Ruzhang's opponent was quickly escorted off the stage and was
treated for the poison.

Edited February 9, 2014 by thamosh

[z00se]

i think it is silly question. Techniques to compress qi? Just compress it! Spiral hard. Push down with ur lungs, push in with ur hands. Any technique that doesnt directly compress the qi is a second rate technique. Command it and it will be done!

[SonOfTheGods]

(Temple) Tai Chi too

 

So things like iron body/golden bell, vibrating palm(or any palm), dim yuet, empty force, and so on is just kung fu if you practice kung fu this is what you are suppose to develop.....

[joeblast]

It seems, to me, the only thing that one can learn from a turtle is learn to hold the breath as long as one can. Something like: inhale, hold, exhale and repeat as someone has suggested. This is seems to be more practical and makes more sense other than fantasizing in using other fanatic methods about turtle breathing.

and what happens if you keep the internal mechanisms going?

[thamosh]

(Temple) Tai Chi too

 

Umm all that is just kung fu and taichiquan is also kung fu as well......

 

iron body/golden bell, vibrating palm(or any palm), dim yuet, empty force, and so on is just kung fu

 

Thats not the stuff that students of authentic kung fu search for because thier sifu will teach it to them in time anyways when the student is ready.

 

Its just kung fu... Whether its internal or external skill.

Edited February 9, 2014 by thamosh

[thamosh]

This is such a western mind set.

 

So let me bring the point home.

 

There is no such thing as internal or external kung fu.

 

All kung fu came from the sil lum.

 

Which means it came from a buddhist temple.

 

All kung fu has ging iron body internal palm herbs jows and meditations.

 

Just like the shaolin does.

 

White crane kung fu has ging

 

Hung Gar kung fu has ging

 

Choy li fut has ging

 

Bak Mei has ging

 

and so and so on.

 

Its only westerners that get caught up in this and think it is something other than kung fu.

 

An those are just the publicly known skills.

 

So if people only know of vibrating palm and the ability it grants thats cool but that doesnt mean that a more advance kung fu set that lets you send a jolt or the vibrating palm thru your aura alone doesnt exist.

[ChiDragon]

There is a big difference between Kung Fu and Taiji. Kung Fu movements are more rougher and gross which can be accomplished in a shorter time. It is considered to be an external skill as opposed to Taiji.

The forms of Taiji are much more refine and profound which considered to be an internal skill or Neigong. It takes a longer period to accomplish many different levels of skills.

[thamosh]

There is a big difference between Kung Fu and Taiji. Kung Fu movements are more rougher and gross which can be accomplished in a shorter time. It is considered to be an external skill as opposed to Taiji.

 

The forms of Taiji are much more refine and profound which considered to be an internal skill or Neigong. It takes a longer period to accomplish many different levels of skills.

 

Well yeah there is a difference there 2 different styles of gong fu.

 

All kung fu has inner skill.

 

An refinement in martial ability goes hand and hand with the mastery of how the techniques are used.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Taichi is gong fu, if you are doing it right.

[ChiDragon]

One will never does Taiji wrong.
Gong Fu is not Taiji for sure, even if you are doing it right....

Edited February 9, 2014 by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

All kung fu has inner skill.

 

Yes, it does to a certain extent. However, I would reconsidered that if I were you.......

[thamosh]

Im posting this so people dont see stuff like vibrating palm and iron shirt and think its super secret/sacred neikung....

 

Its a standard skill.

 

Now what is a rare skill would be hung gar's advance internal tiger palm ability which lets you send that strike from a distance in 3 directions at one time.

 

and no I dont have to rethink anything. I know the power that kung fu holds.

[BaguaKicksAss]

One will never does Taiji wrong.

Gong Fu is not Taiji for sure, even if you are doing it right....

 

 

You have obviously trained different places than I have.

[SonOfTheGods]

The thing with all this, is that, for your average forum-based cultivator:

 

Techniques To Condense/Compress Your Dan Tien?

 

is, probably not -going to find a teacher- rather, they're just reading and watching some DVDs, but still want:

Creating magma-like white-hot light-fast-accelerated diamond-compressed CORE-POWER

 

-Kung Fu- to get to the point where you can achieve this, you need a teacher

-Tai Chi- to do the forms correctly, you need a teacher.

 

However, sharing

Techniques To Condense/Compress Your Dan Tien?

You won't need a teacher.

 

I can:

Creating magma-like white-hot light-fast-accelerated diamond-compressed CORE-POWER

and I never had a teacher.

 

 

To add, what "most" schools- at least in USA- IMO/IME are mediocre "Kung-Fu" fighters.

 

I could share some personal experience, but I digress

 

 

Just wanted to add all that lol

 

Ok, you guys can go back to kungfu vs tai chi now

Edited February 9, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[thamosh]

My point is that there is high level gong fu out there.

 

You want vibrating palm? you could do mantak chia's bone breathing (which I wouldnt advise)

 

Or

 

You could learn chris matsuo's thunder ad lightning spirit boxing kung fu form.(which is a good example of a high level kung fu form)

 

Its more practical to learn the kung fu form because you build the palm and practice kung fu at the same time.

 

Now are there more advance forms like chris matsuo's in other kung fu sects? - Yes there is.

 

So in another sect they may have their first form is the vibrating palm form.

 

The second form may generate a strong energy field around the body.

 

The third form enables you to do the vibrating palm from the aura alone.

 

The fourth form maybe works on maintaining that field while doing martial poses.

 

Finding a gong fu training that teaches forms like this where the next form is more energetically powerful than the last is hard to come by but it does exist.

 

So far ive only come across one system that all of the kung fu forms in the system progress like this.

 

In gong fu there is always a higher mountain there is always a higher gong fu to learn.

Edited February 9, 2014 by thamosh

[SonOfTheGods]

You want vibrating palm?

 

I don't need it!- I'm married!

[SonOfTheGods]

 

you could do mantak chia's bone breathing (which I wouldnt advise)

 

 

I have some of Chris Matsuo's DVDs, good stuff

 

I have chia's bone breathing book- haven't read it yet.

Edited February 10, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[Trunk]

ime, from trying various of DGS Sifu Matsuo's methods that compress into the body... and maybe this is similar across bagua schools, I don't know as I don't have broad bagua experience ... but there tends to be a combination of compressing, twisting, and stretching all in a single movement. And my observation is that that *brilliantly* solves the problem of "packing too much", because there is circulation built-into the packing method. I don't have to do a packing method (and watch out! not to injure myself), then unpack with other methods (which method/s?? and did I unpack enough???)... it's all built-in to a single movement. Blew my socks off, as I'd been trying to debug other methods for a long time.

[thamosh]

There is such a thing as alchemical kung fu.

 

So many masters trying to do kong jing but no one teaching a kong jing kung fu form.....

 

Chris Matsuo teaches good kung fu and there are others like him.

 

So on to new points and horizons.

 

Now that is has been stated publicly that there are more advance kung fu forms that produce more ging and internal power than others.

 

This means that kung fu forms can be categorized just like chikung in the areas of chi flow. cultivation, and internal ging.

 

1. low level

2. intermediate level

3. advance

4. secret

 

Most kung fu forms that are currently out is low level meaning that kung fu form alone will not cultivate powerful chi flow, alchemical cultivation, or internal power.

 

The intermediate will do some cultivation but not too much.

 

This is how kung fu masters keep you in line they just hold back more powerful kung fu.

 

There is also very high level kung fu forms that are the cap stone.of the whole system. Forms like this contain the secrets and develop every skill and ability that one could learn in the system.

 

But those type of kung fu forms are rare and hard to come by.

[ChiDragon]

1. There is such a thing as alchemical kung fu.

 

2. So many masters trying to do kong jing but no one teaching a kong jing kung fu form.....

 

1. Is there such thing as alchemical Kung Fu.....???

2. What are the Chinese characters for "kong jing".....???

[BaguaKicksAss]

 

1. Is there such thing as alchemical Kung Fu.....???

 

You mean besides Bagua?

[ChiDragon]

You mean besides Bagua?

I don't know. The terminology that thamosh uses doesn't resonant with me.

Edited February 10, 2014 by ChiDragon

[thamosh]

I don't know. The terminology that thamosh uses doesn't resonant with me.

 

Im ok with that.

[SaiyaMan]

amidoinitrite?

[Wells]

Condense/Compress/Develop/... Tantien!

Your focus is wrong imo because the tantien is nothing more than a store-room!

 

Your CHI has to be Condensed/Compressed/Burned/Purified/Vibrated/Developed, not your Tantien!

 

And Chi Kung / Nei Kung is nothing else than Bodybuilding for your Chi instead of your Muscles!

Edited February 12, 2014 by Dorian Black