What would you ask a master?

[SonOfTheGods]

I'd ask if he knows how to dance.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XWeiGQbqU

[ChiDragon]

I'll ask what I don't need to know.

[ChiDragon]

 

I couldn't be more ignorant........

[gendao]

This is the results from Dr. Feng Jiang's sweet water. The water was tested with two different procedures. The results show that there were no chemicals added to the water, and the the samples tested as plain water. What ever Jiang is able to do to the water does not change the chemical properties, but makes the water sweet and more refined. To me, this proves that he did not add anything to the water, but is able to create a field effect with his body that can change the properties of water.

 

 

There were just a few e-accusations of fraud 5-7 years ago. None seemed to have any actual hard evidence, though. So, I guess these types of tests would help disprove them?

Hi Sean and others in the taobums forums:

I found an article previously published in a Taiwanese newspaper about Shifu Jiang and I'd like to know what all of you think.

While searching for articles about Qigong in China, my friend and I came upon a newspaper clip published in Taiwan (Apple Daily Newspaper) that complained about a Qigong Master.

http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/flyzenmaster-wi...3&next=1571

The original article (published July 15, 2007) can be found in the Apple Daily web site but access requires registration (in Chinese).

The picture of that article seems to be Sifu Jiang that has appeared with David in Thailand earlier this year http://www.samuiexpress.net/?q=node/397. Here is a rough translation of the story:

 

Basically, the article is about a person in Taiwan complaining to the Apple Daily newspaper that in seeking for a Qigong Master, he became disenchanted after spending NT$ 800,000 (NT$32=US $1) but to learn at the end that the purported "qi" emitted by his Master is nothing but regular electricity generated by Tesla high power coils hidden inside the Master's body.

 

According to the Apple Daily reporter, this person (named Atek) first learned of a powerful Master from a local Qigong Master Zhuang (in GuoXiong city of Taiwan) who demonstrated his electric qi by shocking him. Amazed, he immediately paid NT$12,000 to learn the Qigong techniques from Zhuang. In May 2006, Zhuang organized a group of his disciples (including ATek) to visit their ShiGong in Huang Shan. Zhuang's Shifu is a 43 years-old fifth generation Shaolin GengMen Grandmaster named Zhai Jiang Feng. Shifu Zhai demonstrated many amazing feats, including "taking bad blood using suction cups", "turning ordinary water into sweet elixir", pyrogenesis, breaking stones from a distance etc. Shifu Zhai also sold "Dan" pills that can dissolve away blood blockages for NT$66,000 each. The group ended up spending a total of NT$3 Million to buy 50 pills.

 

Impressed, Atek went back to Huang Shan 3 times a year to learn the amazing "electric" Qigong. In the last visit, however, he was instructed by Shifu Zhai to learn how to withstand high voltage electricity. Confused, Atek demanded explanation. After being sworn not to tell anyone, Atek was told (by Shifu Zhai) that the "electric qi" actually came from a Tesla transformer coils and all other "Qigong" feats are just magic tricks. Atek obtained the electric qi diagram and showed it to the Apple Daily reporter, who confirmed it with an EECS professor from the National Taiwan University. Anyone wearing the Tesla coils pictured in the diagram could emit electricity, the professor said. The professor also told the reporter that one could easily generate fire with a combination of Potassium permanganate and glycerin.

 

The photos show Shifu Jiang and his Taiwan disciple Zhuang. A series of secretly taken photos (1-4) purported showed how ordinary water was turned into sweet elixir when Shifu Zhai's Assistant (on the back) switched the bottle cap with another one containing sugar. After mixing it, the "qi" act supposedly turned the water into something sweet that can cure many different illnesses and prolong life.

The last 2 pictures are punching a patient's skin with a needle (just a hypothetical example) and how patient's "bad blood" was taken out through qi. However, please note that blood naturally forms solid clots through coagulation.

 

 

Neikung

We had a chance to sit down with Jiang and he addressed this article with us. We didn't ask him to because we know it's bs, but he did it anyway because he wanted us to hear his side of the story. I wrote about it here: Link

 

When he changed the water for us, he did it with out breaking the seal on the bottles which were provided by our group. The water was then tested at three universities by mass-spectrometer, a special machine that determines the molecular structure of pretty much any known substance. These records our stored in a massive data base and used to compare to test material. What they found is that the water Jiang treated was not any known sugar or recorded compound; it was tested against millions of known moleculer structures by scientists and found to be an undocumented, unknown substance.

 

The article came out after one of Jiang's students wrote that he was a fraud on a blog in Asia. The local press interviewed him and created a sensational story that is a complete fabrication. The student has since retracted his statements and made a formal apology to Jiang. He even gave us his phone number if we wanted to talk to him and ask him what happened.

 

As it turns out several of his friends, treated by Jiang, recovered from serious health conditions as a result of the treatments.

 

The picture you see of the hand with the needles and 'jello' are fakes. That's not Jiang's hand and he proved it by showing us the article and letting us compare the picture with his hand. He also showed us these demonstrations and allowed doctors to observe and check the proceedure. I have witnessed these procedures several times, and I have also been treated by Jiang. Jiang's abilities are completely legit in my observation; he does not use needles to break the skin, he uses qi and slaps the hell out of you. The affected blood and stagnation pool at an area determined by Jiang and he uses a suction cup to remove it. This is not a common practice in the sense that only master can do what Jiang does, but it is not unheard of either. A lot of people do cupping, just not in this way.

 

What's being pulled is diseased blood. The consistency can vary depending on the disorder being treated. The amount and speed that it is withdrawn with are remarkable.

 

Jiang did a number of very objective demonstrations and let the group document the procedures and do checks to varify that he wasn't using needles.

 

This is a classic example of how things get distorted by the media. I was there. I also read the letter of apology from the student who started the whole thing and he clearly states that the article is a fabrication.

 

He was upset with Jiang because he wasn't getting to learn the methods as fast as he would have liked and because Jiang showed him how to train in the Xiao Dao, a lower order training done with tesla coils. This is not the Lei Shan Dao training, although it does have some applications in qigong, it has nothing to do with the training David or Jiang himself do. This is a typical type of test a teacher would give a student to test their patience.

 

Such devices cannot generate visible light from your naked hands, kill a man or drop him to the floor, leaving him sexually impotent for two months afterward, just with a hint of power; or drop an elephant, David has a video of that one. Neither can they control the intensity of power emitted and the form of it; from electric like pulsation to vibration to heat. Nor can they discharge and be recharged by using the life force of a bull as some have witnessed in their very own very body-mind.

 

Jiang, more then once has turned the water in my body and those of entire groups sweet with his qi field that appears and desappears, and the sweetened bodies ooze sweetness suddenly days after-but strangely not our clothes. The sweet taste is on your skin, in your sweat, saliva and urin for days; not to mention all the other abilities like burning and telekinesis and all the rest.

 

Many have seen it and know is real. What is needed are clinical studies if you want to prove something on a broad basis. Until then it's just a nice bedtime story to most.

 

According to David, the Chinese government has been engaged is this research for decades. Jiang participated among the many and Liping was head of the committee in the 80's, but after 40 years or more of research, they have not yet published anything, why? Because they do not have a paradigm, and when they tried to go public it backfired. Liping as well was accused of fraud and became wise enough to know that to go public without first creating the right context just creates confusion.

 

For everyone else, the true skeptic is welcome to test these claims. David has extended an open invitation for skeptics to come and test the reality of these things with their own body-mind, really the only way.

 

Let them bring a lawyer, a scientist and a doctor of their choice. Choose the set up and conditions let them come and feel and see it. After having realized their foolishness, they can go home wih a new perspective on what is real and what is a fantasy.

 

All the others as usual just talk and should be free to do so.

And regarding David's ShaolingGongMen teacher Mr Zhai (first name Jiang Feng) there are more complaints.

Sean Denty would say that it is just a disgruntled customer or ex student or whatever. Perhaps, perhaps not.

http://bbs.travel.163.com/bbs/jiangnan/136945213.html

 

Google won't translate the whole page. You have to copy and paste to get this translation:

On the original page there is a picture of the 'qi' burn mark.

"

The following is my process of being cheated, and now write it down, please stay at the hotel's Mix to be cautious.

 

June 1 of this year (that is, a few days ago) I and the wife admitted to the floor, Pai hotels, time is about 20:00 or so, climb a mountain one day we were a bit tired, so they in the hotel on the second floor staircase at each cast one-dollar coins seated massage chair massage. We just do not sit there a few seconds, more than 40-year-old dressed in suits and uniforms look like as the hotel manager, who came with us A slander, he said that he is about some understanding of Chinese medicine, and then my wife to see her like that seem to have a The symptoms of bile leak, while a bit gynecological diseases, and then he pointed to the stairs to the right of the second floor of a room said there were a traditional Chinese medicine, told us to take a look at the past, and say that the Chinese will not charge, open to us a few traditional Chinese medicine prescription be able to cure the.

 

For such things, when usually we are not reasonable grounds, but it was only 8:00 more little things to do anyway, we walked into the room, it is so big liar Di Jiang-feng that there (lived in the guesthouse of the donkey You will find the stairs on the second floor where the most prominent affixed with a lot of the liar, "medicine" of the photo).

 

Liar first wife said to me at first glance you can see her guts spill disease, in order to prove his diagnosis, he asked me to love hand-rubbed look at the navel to the right belly, and then lick your fingers to see whether what is bitter, and I love According to his method of doing, it really is bitter,.

 

Liar and then said to me: look at my mouth to know that I have hidden diabetes, the same, in order to prove that assertion in his letter, he asked me to rub his hands three inches below the navel of the place and then lick your fingers to see what is sweet, I done according to the method, it really was sweet.

 

We certainly get the answers to cheat out a thin light blue cover on a small book, saying it was the essence of traditional Chinese medicine in China for thousands of years, he turned to me to see the first page, the contents of the first page I do not need You may have guessed can be out no more than the harm that a variety of diseases, including diabetes, there is bile leak and hidden, but made it a terrorist, where he will die like species.

 

To show us a small book to us, after blowing a lot of fraud, how to how to blow his qigong, blowing his ethics to how the class and asked us did not know about qigong, we are also very honest answer to that is just to listen to said qigong. After the crook of my wife that her illness would require little effort for him, and asked that we should not rule, and we nodded, he agreed to after the point a bit behind my wife said that he had used qigong point of the acupuncture points that I love and have cured of her illness.

 

To see him to do so, when my mind wanted to: It seems that my "illness" is not good governance. Sure enough, not as I expected, the crook in turn told me that my "illness" bad governance, he needs to open up my luck acupuncture points ask us whether or not to try, when I carry a one-to-eye love to me I do not call test, but driven by curiosity I agreed.

 

Liar told me to bring clothes, exposing the stomach, and then he took off his jacket, wearing a long-sleeved shirt to me "credit", as he issued a "credit" to the right side of my navel belly was a very intense tingling Chen, was the feeling of hot water burns the same time to see where the color becomes blue and white. Liar stopped, shook his head and said that he made a great deal of skill, but I did not point to respond to, so he tried a second time, finally said he had tried, but still can not open the acupuncture points, because my body has congestion, the only way is to use internal strength to congestion forced out, but need pay 500 yuan.

 

My wife is a more alert person, each of the previous movements are clearly ask whether or not to charge, the answer is negative, but the last was finally exposed the nature of the fox.

 

Since he has mentioned the money, we do not stay, from his room came out my first idea was an online check what kind of character in this Di Jiang-feng, and if he was so powerful words can certainly check out from the Internet.

 

I GOOGLE is to enter "Di Jiang-feng" in the name, resulting in an outcome that I want, that one is written this way:

 

1. Exposed fraud, Huangshan Electric Power strange man - the sharing of human cloud water blog - udn blog

- Fan - [to Simplified Web]

July 15, 2007 ... accused of fraud in mainland China qigong teacher Di Jiang-feng (43 years), claiming to be a small door Qi Gong Lin Geng 5th head, ... Ah, said he went to Huangshan three-year search Shigong talents, "He (Di Jiang Feng) told me to exercise power grip, I also ...

blog.udn.com/giveman/1091998 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

 

Just a pity that after opening the web page.

 

Then we went to investigate the "bile leak," Cha Cha a half late and there is no harm, then we check the "hidden diabetes," diabetes, there are 20 kinds of hidden performance, but I am not even one.

 

But at that time the feeling has not deceived, after all, is not deceived to the wealthy.

 

But the second to open, my belly began to blister, burn exactly the same symptoms and have been boiling water, we began to have the feeling of being cheated, so only after careful analysis of the details.

 

The focus is twofold:

 

1. Into his room and we did not touch any of the things that our hands are a sweet? One is bitter?

二. Seen from the martial arts novels have been qigong acupuncture should be Ma Ma, or from the inside to the outside feeling a little heat, but I wound completely skin trauma.

 

After careful analysis we believe that there are two places where the suspect:

 

1. Massage chair. Swindler should be coated with something in his chair, so we encountered after the hands have different taste. Should be said that massage chair is his bait.

二. Cheater shirt sleeve should be in possession of electric shock stick, like laser or infrared device, can lead to non-contact burns.

 

 

Did not expect such a nationally renowned Huangshan places like Pai Yun Lou Hotel grade, suddenly became a liar nest, which more or less makes me a bit disappointed.

 

Finally, I want to say is: It is now the way the fraud endless travel should be more careful, and do not gain petty advantages, any small inexpensive bait may be a cheater. "

[GrandmasterP]

Just a suggestion here.

Stir a spoonful of sugar into the water.

That'll sweeten it.

Edited July 1, 2014 by GrandmasterP