Does Anyone Have Power?

adept · February 24, 2014

I think I remember reading somewhere about some zhan zhuang practitioners dying early.

Pai_Mei · February 24, 2014

I see what you mean BaguaKicksAss. I used to be one of those. Not in this lifetime however In my case I was actually quite sick and frail towards the end of this particular incarnation due to the karmic kickbacks I received. It is possible to evade karmic kickbacks under certain circumstances but eventually it will catch up with you. At least that is what I experienced. So I am only speaking from personal experience.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Pai_Mei

Starjumper · February 24, 2014

Well actually I did not want to engage in this heated debate but I think some things should be pointed out that only practitioners that have real Nei Gong experience know. E.g. it has been stated over and over again that Nei Gong is not about character

Nothing could be further from the truth. I know for a fact that when your Chi and Shen are strongly connected (especially when you are working with more martially related energies) it could literally kill you if you have no control over your emotions as you would seriously hurt your internal organs with this attitude. This is why some well known martial artists and Tai Chi masters (who where also famous for their bad temper) died in their late fifties or early sixties. Nature is wise and won't give true power into the hand of morons or only to sort them out. This sounds a bit harsh but I am very familiar with teachers from an occult and tantric background also and they all say the same. If you develop true power and acquire real Siddhis you should have a stable personality or these forces will destroy you. It all comes down to being a good and moral person with compassion for others. I consider being able to heal and uplift others as the greatest Siddhi of them all. I firmly believe true power comes to those that want to serve.

While I agree.... for the most part... and seen it happen....

I have also seen some high level very dark and very unethical folks live very long lives and be able to do quite a bit energetically.

Also asking some folks over on the other side who still have some powers and awareness, and still use it all for some nasty stuff... how long they lived might give an interesting answer.

Not saying such people/beings are happy, joyous and content, but not all of them are suffering all the time either.

I still prefer option A. though .

I'm definitely not advertising option B. (not many can pull it off or survive it, and most end up pretty messed up by the practices), just saying that it is a reality.

This is something I've been curious about for a long time. It seems to me that in general that option A usually wins out.

There's no doubt that unethical people do develop some energetic abilities particularly with the more purely mechanical aspects of energy cultivation of which there are many. This brings us to the point that most teachers of power/spiritual systems won't teach powerful stuff to unethical people.

On the other hand, developing power makes the ethical playing field not only larger but potentially more dangerous (for self and others) so it's a good training field for those who do 'real' nei kung and if a person has a good heart and just needs a little practice with ethics, then playing on this larger more dangerous field is an essential step to further growth.

Then there are some of those who get enamored with some abilities and get lost on a tangent called ego.

Lets examine Darth Vader for a sec, shall we? He was the bad guy, but at the end when he died we see he was a good guy, in a way. So it could be that a person is fighting for a cause that they think is better for some reason and so you get the good/bad division. Good for one side but bad for the other. And then some may give their alegience to some sect or teacher which may have hereditary enemies of some kind. This person would then appear 'bad' to the person's enemies, wouldn't they. For example one of my teachers was a Shaolin grand master with very strong high level Jedi like abilities, and he was also high up in the CIA. So while some may see him as a bad guy for being in the CIA many others will see him as a patriotic citizen doing what he could to help his country. and so on and so forth.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Starjumper

Starjumper · February 24, 2014

BUT, when someone goes further in these oh so rare power cultivating systems they go past the simple purely mechanical energy power generating stage to the stage where a person acquires 'spiritual' power, where they start to experience huge levels of synchronicity and some 'miraculous' abilities.

When they get to that stage I feel that the bad guys would get weeded out ... ?

BaguaKicksAss · February 24, 2014

This is something I've been curious about for a long time. It seems to me that in general that option A usually wins out.

There's no doubt that unethical people do develop some energetic abilities particularly with the more purely mechanical aspects of energy cultivation of which there are many. This brings us to the point that most teachers of power/spiritual systems won't teach powerful stuff to unethical people.

On the other hand, developing power makes the ethical playing field not only larger but potentially more dangerous (for self and others) so it's a good training field for those who do 'real' nei kung and if a person has a good heart and just needs a little practice with ethics, then playing on this larger more dangerous field is an essential step to further growth.

Then there are some of those who get enamored with some abilities and get lost on a tangent called ego.

Lets examine Darth Vader for a sec, shall we? He was the bad guy, but at the end when he died we see he was a good guy, in a way. So it could be that a person is fighting for a cause that they think is better for some reason and so you get the good/bad division. Good for one side but bad for the other. And then some may give their alegience to some sect or teacher which may have hereditary enemies of some kind. This person would then appear 'bad' to the person's enemies, wouldn't they. For example one of my teachers was a Shaolin grand master with high level Jedi like abilities, and he was also high up in the CIA. So while some may see him as a bad guy for being in the CIA many others will see him as a patriotic citizen doing what he could to help his country. and so on and so forth.

Your post made me think of something important... being tested. I would trust someone more who was offered and/or tempted towards "the dark side" and who made their own decision to not go blow up villages, than someone who was just following what they are "supposed to do" or never had that challenge/option. Though I guess we are tested throughout life, then even more so once we start on any energetic paths.

Marblehead · February 24, 2014

Though I guess we are tested throughout life, then even more so once we start on any energetic paths.

This puppy doesn't get tested any more. I pee on the floor whenever I want to.

BaguaKicksAss · February 24, 2014

BUT, when someone goes further in these oh so rare power cultivating systems they go past the simple purely mechanical energy power generating stage to the stage where a person acquires 'spiritual' power, where they start to experience huge levels of synchronicity and some 'miraculous' abilities.

When they get to that stage I feel that the bad guys would get weeded out ... ?

Not always.

BaguaKicksAss · February 24, 2014

This puppy doesn't get tested any more. I pee on the floor whenever I want to.

Oh you've been already tested plenty fine marbles .

Hmmm, are you trying to say the Mods should arm themselves with newspapers?

Marblehead · February 24, 2014

Oh you've been already tested plenty fine marbles .

Hmmm, are you trying to say the Mods should arm themselves with newspapers?

Thanks.

Well, no, that was not anything specifically meant. The Mods know who I am. (I don't know if that's good or bad though. Hehehe.)

What were we talking about? Oh, yes, you have the power to live your life or something like that.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Marblehead

Yascra · February 24, 2014

Your post made me think of something important... being tested. I would trust someone more who was offered and/or tempted towards "the dark side" and who made their own decision to not go blow up villages, than someone who was just following what they are "supposed to do" or never had that challenge/option. Though I guess we are tested throughout life, then even more so once we start on any energetic paths.

Hm, though it might raise more trust, and yes, some may pass this kind of test .. sure, to some degree that might or will happen.

But getting into the mess due to not passing is then .. well, a sign of bad karma, isn't it?

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. The point is that you have to recognize it as it is, and realize the fundamentals.

Ouh, but I just notice I'm confused. Guess I'll better switch to PPF than further confusing others :blush:

Starjumper · February 24, 2014

Not always.

That makes me really curious about what makes synchronicity tic. That is some weird shit, that synchronicity is.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Starjumper

Marblehead · February 24, 2014

Ouh, but I just notice I'm confused. Guess I'll better switch to PPF than further confusing others

No worry. Confused is a normal state around here.

Pai_Mei · February 24, 2014

Starjumper, you raised an excellent point here concerning "mechanical power" and "spiritual power".I would agree that spiritual power comes to those that have high virtues and a good character. From my experience power can be taken away from you from the higher levels if you misuse them. This is probably some other thing with pure mechanical powers. These are something you acquire through pure practice of certain energetic principles and are not necessarily connected to higher spiritual laws.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Pai_Mei

Starjumper · February 24, 2014

I agree with all that, but the practice required for cultivating the purely mechanical chi power also includes a lot of meditation of all kinds, moving and sitting. It seems to me that after some decades of plenty of this meditating that that will influence a person to face his dark side and either fix it or quit meditating, which then limits power.

Or maybe they just did the yang moving meditations and none of the yin sitting ones, although I think that would limit power.

Another option occurred to me though: what if a person faced his dark side and decided he liked it and continued meditating. Could that work? I guess it goes back to a person's 'floor level' ethical nature.

I just always believed (there's a belief for ya by golly) that plenty of meditation for plenty of years was healing for a persons emotional/ethical nature.

Geese, I hope I'm not confusing myself too much here. I don't think well, just feel.

BaguaKicksAss · February 24, 2014

I agree with all that, but the practice required for cultivating the purely mechanical chi power also includes a lot of meditation of all kinds, moving and sitting. It seems to me that after some decades of plenty of this meditating that that will influence a person to face his dark side and either fix it or quit meditating, which then limits power.

Or maybe they just did the yang moving meditations and none of the yin sitting ones, although I think that would limit power.

Another option occurred to me though: what if a person faced his dark side and decided he liked it and continued meditating. Could that work? I guess it goes back to a person's 'floor level' ethical nature.

I just always believed (there's a belief for ya by golly) that plenty of meditation for plenty of years was healing for a persons emotional/ethical nature.

Geese, I hope I'm not confusing myself too much here. I don't think well, just feel.

Oh the darker folks meditate just as much as the lighter folks. (keep in mind I tend to avoid dabblers of any path).

Either like it, get intrigued by it, get influenced by stuff it attracts, think they have cleared enough out when they are only halfway done, get stuck at some major point and turn in a different direction (not everyone makes it through the rough patches), or perhaps just have a different path to lead than most.

PS see my PM .

Nungali · February 24, 2014

I'm not sure why or what the causes are but I've seen really nice, polite, decent people become really nasty and horrible when given positions of power. Usually within a few days or weeks. The transformation is startling.

Maybe because they were not really nice people in the first place ... but people acting nice in a perceived ' lower position' in an attempt to get what they wanted ... passive aggression ? When they got percievedpower they went; "Well, I dont have to be like that anymore .... and it might all be acted out unconsciously ?

C T · February 24, 2014

Maybe because they were not really nice people in the first place ... but people acting nice in a perceived ' lower position' in an attempt to get what they wanted ... passive aggression ? When they got percievedpower they went; "Well, I dont have to be like that anymore .... and it might all be acted out unconsciously ?

Recently experienced above with a 'spiritual kin' (who's also a business associate). Not very pleasant.

Nungali · February 24, 2014

While I agree.... for the most part... and seen it happen....

I have also seen some high level very dark and very unethical folks live very long lives and be able to do quite a bit energetically.

Also asking some folks over on the other side who still have some powers and awareness, and still use it all for some nasty stuff... how long they lived might give an interesting answer.

Not saying such people/beings are happy, joyous and content, but not all of them are suffering all the time either.

I still prefer option A. though .

I'm definitely not advertising option B. (not many can pull it off or survive it, and most end up pretty messed up by the practices), just saying that it is a reality.

This is so - IMO ... but (to quote a great professor) why is it so.?

Down here we have a story about Pemulway; he broke the law ... he shouldn't even have been allowed to live - his mother broke the law by allowing him to live... he got older and more and more physically and magically powerful ... his own people became somewhat terrified of him. 'Clever fellahs' (indigenous 'magicians') were sent to get him ... he beat them up, groups or warriors were sent to discipline him ... he beat them up. He was 'out of control'. How could this be happening?

But then 'coincidentally' ... white settlement arrived ... Pemulway and his band stopped advancement beyond the Sydney area for 20 years. Soldiers were sent to get him, he killed them - time and time again. Their rifles appeared useless against his spears ( they could spear you in the bush without visual contact from either side, most probably by hearing; medical reports from the time showed these deaths were by spear wounds through the top of the head or shoulders - up and over undergrowth and down to the target). He danced tauntingly outside the gates of Parramatta stockade, he believed he was 'immune' to bullets (a belief his band tried to discourage him of). He got shot and taken inside and imprisoned and according to the English account the doctor said he was lying in a locked cell and the shot had smashed through his side and ribs and the lung was exposed and he was not thought to survive the night.

In the morning the cell was empty, no explaination is offered as to why. Months later Pemulway is again outside the stockade taunting the guards, yelling fiercely and doing a war dance - he has a mass of scar tissue across his chest. Eventually they shot him again and this time removed his head. He didnt come back ( yet ).

At first his people couldnt understand how this could have been allowed to happen. Later the English didnt understand how this could have been allowed to happen.