What Are "Legitimate" Qi Abilities/Power?

[SonOfTheGods]

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Edited March 7, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[SonOfTheGods]

So, back to the original question- how to prove Qi abilities?

 

Who is to say when someone is using Qi, and when they are not?

 

And to prove this?

 

Who is to say when someone is tapping their Qi potential, and not even knowing they possess Qi?

 

To prove this, it would have to take place under stringent laboratory conditions, which would cost thousands of dollars- from a neutral observer.- with zero agenda, either way.

Edited March 7, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[BaguaKicksAss]

Just have a room full of 100 bluetooth devices all turned on and functioning. Have the person do the various things in a room without anything of that sort, then have them do them all in the bluetooth room. Has to be the bluetooth free room first in case the bluetooth affect is longterm. Right next to power lines where those tower things are would be interesting too.

 

But physical strength training; some people are just born stronger.

 

I personally find an increase of arm strength from Bagua circle walking. (when I haven't weight trained for a year) Not entirely sure how that works. Though really I don't personally care, being able to carry around heavy boxes without much effort is good enough for me.

 

Btw, anyone impressed with odd things (strength, stuff being knocked over, weird things happening) from qi, hasn't been around enough real martial arts/qigong classes apparently.

[SonOfTheGods]

If your Tan Tien is packed- in a fight or flight situation- Qi will kick in.

 

How can it not?

 

• The MCO is running hard.
• 3 Tan Tiens working on all levels
• Bones and Marrow packed/soaked with Qi.
• Wei Field circulating hard.

 

Jing Qi Shen

 

In a weight workout- Qi will be used.

In a Math test- Qi will be used

If you get the Flu- Qi will be used

 

Whether you realize it- or not.

 

Now, when a car falls on a child, and a woman comes by and picks up the car- some say it is Adrenaline. Is it?

 

On one Kundalini site- the author presumes that to be dormant Kundalini.

http://www.ramalila..../Kundalini.html

[skydog]

might need to reconsider my opinion on this

Edited February 28, 2014 by skydog

[Wu Ming Jen]

The greatest chi ability is no need to prove something to others. Then we would be using our chi properly. We are all born with prenatal chi it animates the body, no one is special, its natural and nothing needs to be done to achieve this.

 

How we use and maintain/ destroy our chi during our life is a much different subject. The whole self thing, look at how great I am is called a miss use of energy splitting into benefit and harm, the wholeness is gone.

[SonOfTheGods]

The greatest chi ability is no need to prove something to others. Then we would be using our chi properly. We are all born with prenatal chi it animates the body, no one is special, its natural and nothing needs to be done to achieve this.

 

How we use and maintain/ destroy our chi during our life is a much different subject. The whole self thing, look at how great I am is called a miss use of energy splitting into benefit and harm, the wholeness is gone.

I tried to demonstrate while I kept my ego out of it, by wearing a ridiculous disguise, and keeping my real name off of it.

 

I had every intention of keeping it only in my PPF, but I wanted opinions on this matter.

 

Once my Testersterone decreased with age, and I refused to take drugs, (as I always rejected drugs and the easy way out)- Qi is the only alternative.

 

I wanted to stress there is No age limit for Qi.

 

 

But, you're correct

Edited February 28, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[Wu Ming Jen]

Im with you, the reason I train is because muscular force li increases and then decreases with age. with chi properly cultivated we may maintain our youthfulness even in old age. My heros in my life/training are very "old" people not like the old in "developed?" countries.

[Ya Mu]

SOG said,"I have healed many, many people- one of a brain tumor, one of blindness in 1 eye-..."

To me THIS is the impressive aspect of "legitimate qi abilities". The other was cool but IMO pales in comparison to this.

 

I wonder how many posters here are even aware of the medical aspects of qi projection or that there have been entire hospitals where ONLY qi projection is done. Vastly misunderstood to say the least.

The majority appear to want to see people set something on fire so they can say "wow". I would say "ho hum" - didn't accomplish anything that a match couldn't do. Although I do admit, if all the matches and lighters suddenly disappeared then it would be useful.

To me, to be able to help another person where western medicine has failed is the most beneficial use of qi.

 

I don't think there is any kind of video you can post that would convince any majority of people. But YOU know when you help someone and that is more important than attempting to convince anyone. But please post away as I like to see the ones with healing or awakening someone or raising someones energy body vibration or clearing their channels.

 

Oh, and I encourage you to come out of the closet and be your real self. There are few enough people out there doing legitimate qi projection.

[SonOfTheGods]

SOG said,"I have healed many, many people- one of a brain tumor, one of blindness in 1 eye-..."

To me THIS is the impressive aspect of "legitimate qi abilities". The other was cool but IMO pales in comparison to this.

 

I wonder how many posters here are even aware of the medical aspects of qi projection or that there have been entire hospitals where ONLY qi projection is done. Vastly misunderstood to say the least.

The majority appear to want to see people set something on fire so they can say "wow". I would say "ho hum" - didn't accomplish anything that a match couldn't do. Although I do admit, if all the matches and lighters suddenly disappeared then it would be useful.

To me, to be able to help another person where western medicine has failed is the most beneficial use of qi.

 

I don't think there is any kind of video you can post that would convince any majority of people. But YOU know when you help someone and that is more important than attempting to convince anyone. But please post away as I like to see the ones with healing or awakening someone or raising someones energy body vibration or clearing their channels.

 

Oh, and I encourage you to come out of the closet and be your real self. There are few enough people out there doing legitimate qi projection.

I agree with you on everything.

 

Your projection of Qi videos- are inspiring.

 

I appreciate your input

 

*goes back into closet*

[NotVoid]

I wonder how many posters here are even aware of the medical aspects of qi projection or that there have been entire hospitals where ONLY qi projection is done. Vastly misunderstood to say the least.

The majority appear to want to see people set something on fire so they can say "wow". I would say "ho hum" - didn't accomplish anything that a match couldn't do. Although I do admit, if all the matches and lighters suddenly disappeared then it would be useful.

To me, to be able to help another person where western medicine has failed is the most beneficial use of qi.

 

Just want to try to clarify something, as the above statement may be misleading. The two most well known qigong practitioners I have seen on video demonstrating setting something on fire using qi projection were the man who is known as 'John Chang' in the west, and Jiang Feng. Both of these people were doing these demonstrations with the stated intent of demonstrating what is possible using qi externalization, to the people who were observing. If a person can project qi in that sort of way, they can also likely use this same ability in healing or in other ways as well. It is well known that John Chang ran a clinic in Indonesia for many years in which he used his qigong and acupuncture abilities for healing others, and it has been stated that he never charged for this service. Jiang Feng also currently runs a full time Chinese TCM/qigong clinic in China in which he and his associates use their qigong abilities and TCM practices for providing healing treatments for many people. Jiang Feng's special herbal treatments can be very expensive however, from what I understand.

Edited March 1, 2014 by NotVoid

[SonOfTheGods]

CHI ENERGY AMAZING CHI POWERS/STIGMATA!!

 

 

This guy seems to be able to make the paper catch fire by concentrating on it. Check out what looks like blood on his hands at the end, its not there at the start!!

[SonOfTheGods]

 

Just want to try to clarify something, as the above statement may be misleading. The two most well known qigong practitioners I have seen on video demonstrating setting something on fire using qi projection were the man who is known as 'John Chang' in the west, and Jiang Feng. Both of these people were doing these demonstrations with the stated intent of demonstrating what is possible using qi externalization, to the people who were observing. If a person can project qi in that sort of way, they can also likely use this same ability in healing or in other ways as well. It is well known that John Chang ran a clinic in Indonesia for many years in which he used his qigong and acupuncture abilities for healing others, and it has been stated that he never charged for this service. Jiang Feng also currently runs a full time Chinese TCM/qigong clinic in China in which he and his associates use their qigong abilities and TCM practices for providing healing treatments for many people. Jiang Feng's special herbal treatments can be very expensive however, from what I understand.

 

 

CHI ENERGY AMAZING CHI POWERS/STIGMATA!!

 

 

This guy seems to be able to make the paper catch fire by concentrating on it. Check out what looks like blood on his hands at the end, its not there at the start!!

 

That's why I video recorded something different.

 

Edited March 1, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[NotVoid]

Hi SonOfTheGods. I know nothing about that video, but I think everyone is aware that such effects can be done using tricks. The difference here being the two qigong practitioners I have mentioned have been described to have notable qigong abilities by students and others who have spent a fair bit of time with them. This other guy whom you posted a video for is just some unknown person however. This does emphasize the seeming pointlessness of trying to discuss anything like this in a meaningful way on the internet however.

[SonOfTheGods]

Hi SonOfTheGods. I know nothing about that video, but I think everyone is aware that such effects can be done using tricks. The difference here being the two qigong practitioners I have mentioned have been described to have notable qigong abilities by students and others who have spent a fair bit of time with them. This other guy whom you posted a video for is just some unknown person however. This does emphasize the seeming pointlessness of trying to discuss anything like this in a meaningful way on the internet however.

Yes, I agree.

It is easy to hoax some things, especially on video.

Thus, my reasoning to video record something different.

[thelerner]

Since paper, especially newspaper makes a big target for chemicals and stuff, I'd be interested in seeing a match spontaneously light itself in video demo. In many kinds of regular chi gung during the closing they often rub hands together, often they get very hot. I can't shock anyone but I've surprised people by touching the with very hot hands. I wonder if there'd be some interesting skill in lighting a match by putting it between your hands and rubbing them together hard. Don't know if its possible and might be painful if it worked.

 

Which brings us to candle work. People who can move the flame with there mind. I suppose it could be easy to fool yourself, gently breathing on it and thinking its your mind.

 

Another front is dream work. From the simple, remembering several dreams a night then to lucidity. Which doesn't make for impressive demos. On the other hand if astral travel is possible then it should be easy to 'prove' it.

[Aeran]

Didn't Kosta include photos of stigmata-like burn makes on the palms of his hands which he claimed were a result of his nei kung practice in one of his books?

 

Although actual bleeding is pretty crazy - assuming the video is legit of course.

 

 

Since paper, especially newspaper makes a big target for chemicals and stuff, I'd be interested in seeing a match spontaneously light itself in video demo. In many kinds of regular chi gung during the closing they often rub hands together, often they get very hot. I can't shock anyone but I've surprised people by touching the with very hot hands. I wonder if there'd be some interesting skill in lighting a match by putting it between your hands and rubbing them together hard. Don't know if its possible and might be painful if it worked.

 

 

I've seen a video claiming to set a candle on fire with energy (as well as a cotton ball soaked in a flammable fluid), but iirc the setup was pretty suspicious and most people wrote it off.

 

In the end, it's a pretty pointless exercise, you just can't prove anything with video footage either way. Although I have a hard time imagining why someone would go to the effort of anonymously faking such a thing - what do they gain out of it?

Edited March 1, 2014 by Aeran

[adept]

what do they gain out of it?

Notoriety, power over gullible students, $ales of books, DVDs, charging fortunes for lessons, 'treatments' and seminars, inflation of an already overinflated ego etc etc.

[Aeran]

Notoriety, power over gullible students, $ales of books, DVDs, charging fortunes for lessons, 'treatments' and seminars, inflation of an already overinflated ego etc etc.

 

Sure if they aren't doing it anonymously, but a lot of these videos are.

[Wu Ming Jen]

The whole lighting paper on fire with chi has caused so much harm, I would disappear as well if I promoted anything of the sort.

Something as natural and simple as our own intrinsic energy leaves no questions or a need for belief.

 

It is when people try to promote some kind of authority or power that it all goes wrong. Power and greed among other things is just corruption for there being something to gain, fame or whatever.

 

 

I personally know numerous masters with true skill healing and martial, young and old but outsiders should not be mislead by anything that is not useful and does not benefit the person and all things.

 

Mo pia should serve as a perfect example of a system corrupted and gone wrong, leading people into a fantasy world and escape from reality. The weak have a need for such things instead of fully engaging in life's ups, downs, good, bad and all the rest.

[SonOfTheGods]

Mo pai should serve as a perfect example of a system corrupted and gone wrong, leading people into a fantasy world and escape from reality. The weak have a need for such things instead of fully engaging in life's ups, downs, good, bad and all the rest.

[NotVoid]

Mo pia should serve as a perfect example of a system corrupted and gone wrong, leading people into a fantasy world and escape from reality. The weak have a need for such things instead of fully engaging in life's ups, downs, good, bad and all the rest.

Personally I think it would be much better if people did not denigrate systems or teachers which they really have no real knowledge of. Unless you have spent a fair bit of time with John Chang and other mo pai members and personally really got to know them and understand well what they are like as people and what they are about, then your statement really appears to have no basis. John Chang's main error that I see was allowing Lawrence Blair and a few others to visit with him and watch what he does and to allow a few people to video record some of the things that John Chang does. If John Chang had not done this, his system might well still be pretty much completely unknown in the West for the most part, and all this denigration of John Chang and his system by various people regarding what they imagine about him and his system without any real actual knowledge and experience, would not be happening. That is my view.

[SonOfTheGods]

Personally I think it would be much better if people did not denigrate systems or teachers which they really have no real knowledge of. Unless you have spent a fair bit of time with John Chang and other mo pai members and personally really got to know them and understand well what they are like as people and what they are about, then your statement really appears to have no basis. John Chang's main error that I see was allowing Lawrence Blair and a few others to visit with him and watch what he does and to allow a few people to video record some of the things that John Chang does. If John Chang had not done this, his system might well still be pretty much completely unknown in the West for the most part, and all this denigration of John Chang and his system by various people regarding what they imagine about him and his system without any real actual knowledge and experience, would not be happening. That is my view.

 

IN MY OPINION- Mo Pai should be separated from John Chang.

 

In the western world, there might as well be No Mo Pai.

 

72 levels- and all unknown -minus 2.

Though those two levels are potent- and can be used a lifetime (a short lifetime)

 

 

That's like playing chess with 2 chess pieces.

 

Is it still Chess?

 

The Bushmen have an excellent system- but try learning it.

 

Now I will state- IN MY EXPERIENCE- some of what westerners call Mo Pai has some built in trip-n-falls

 

 

However, I hear Dragon Ball Z is a very good system

Edited March 1, 2014 by SonOfTheGods

[C T]

Does anyone here comprehend how vast Asia is, and how many adepts there are over there whose skills and mastery are on par, if not supersede John Chang's (benefit of doubt given that he indeed possesses some juice)? Its really a waste of time to regurgitate mo pai ala john chang as if this combination is the new viagra of the hype-filled world of nei gung or whatever Gung it should be appropriately called.

 

If anyone has the financial means, do leave the confines of where you are cozy at, and take an extended tour of countries like Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia and Japan... just to expand one's horizons, and really see for oneself, up close, whats out there in terms of fruits of years of cultivation practices. Doing so really helps to overcome a lot of limitations and skewed views.

[tongkosong]

Mo pia should serve as a perfect example of a system corrupted and gone wrong, leading people into a fantasy world and escape from reality. The weak have a need for such things instead of fully engaging in life's ups, downs, good, bad and all the rest.

Please do refrain from bad mouthing a system or its master, when you have no real knowledge of the system. It is easy to sit in your room passing judgement. What John Chang demonstrated was supposed to be for research and to let people know the potential of human beings, not to tease and fill people with delusions and fantasy. He has never gain monetary benefits from this exposure, nor did he want all this publication.

 

Most of what is said in forums are by people who do not belong to Mo Pai. That is why we, Mopai students, asked for our system/school to be left alone. Discussions should be civil and polite. Nothing can be gained by insults and mockery.

Edited March 1, 2014 by tongkosong