The Moors re-civilized Europe after the fall of Rome

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Everyone needs to see this documentary: Hidden Colors

 

http://viooz.co/movies/12602-hidden-colors-2011.html

 

 

Perhaps 10-15% of the info is widely open for debate, however, there are some very important facts to learn there about the relationships that Europeans had with African people before the post-Columbus slave trade.

 

Modern society needs to look at the reality of history and realize that Africans are the elder brothers and sisters of humanity. Africans are likely about 200,000 years ahead of the other races in terms of showing up as homo-sapiens, and they are about 3000 years ahead of the other races in terms of living in advanced societies with maths, sciences, medicine, and all the advancements that other societies were built off of.

 

I think this is very important for humanity know so that humanity can move forward together and solve our collective problems in a way that recognizes the potential of all peoples and cultures.

 

 

Enjoy the video.

 

Comments are encouraged, though of course if you are going to say "this isn't true," you need to provide evidence which counters that of the video. "But maybe possibly" is not evidence.

[gendao]

 

The Moors re-civilized Europe after the fall of Rome

 

Everyone needs to see this documentary: Hidden Colors

 

Modern society needs to look at the reality of history and realize that Africans are the elder brothers and sisters of humanity. Africans are likely about 200,000 years ahead of the other races in terms of showing up as homo-sapiens, and they are about 3000 years ahead of the other races in terms of living in advanced societies with maths, sciences, medicine, and all the advancements that other societies were built off of.

Umm, did we watch the same video? Granted, I mostly skimmed it...but I don't think this video made any such overarching claims?

 

Mostly, they seemed to identify some token Blacks or Black/"dark" ancestry in Whitewashed history - largely in the fields of Catholicism or liberal American politics (but not STEM). Although considering your ancestors double with each generation, that's not that entirely unusual. Princess Di had a minute amount of Indian blood, Bruce Lee was part-White and Hitler was likely 1/4 Jewish + Berber (Moor).. Nonetheless, I did find such token occurrences rather interesting, as well as various etymological claims (ka-rist = spirit risen?)

 

But a lot of their other arguments easily slipped into self-excusive logical deficits.

 

For example, if the White man is attempting to feminize and homosexualize Black males essentially to keep them from procreating with strong families - then why would they mass commercialize the Kardashians and similar Black race porn? Or institute affirmative action that drastically lowers the bar for Blacks at every entrance level and welfare that pays people to breed (unlike say, China's fines for extra kids as true population control). And, why doesn't unrestricted welfare also induce all other races to turn into 72% babies born out-of-wedlock (compared to 29.4% for non-Hispanic whites; and a mere 17.1% for Asians/Pacific Islanders) - if behaviors are simply results of policies (and not the people as well)?

And ALL men (including White) are now being feminized via feminism, not JUST Black men. Yet, I'd say Black men are actually still the last macho men standing, in this regard!

 

But furthermore, keep in mind that all of these liberal policies were basically engineered by Democrats, of whom 96% of Blacks voted for Obama most recently... So, aren't Blacks themselves the ones most responsible for them, regardless? I mean, how do you still blame "White supremacy" for "anti-Black (male)" feminism - when feminism is basically "anti-White man" and a core plank of liberalism and the Democrat Party that Blacks overwhelmingly support en masse???

 

And, does anti-feminism then also make Black males sexist, chauvinist pigs just like their stereotyped White conservative male counterparts? Animal Farm, anyone?

 

Then, one guy states that IQ tests originated from Nazi attempts at eugenics screening - and therefore implies they are intentionally rigged against all non-Whites? But if so, then how come Ashkenazi Jews & East Asians average the highest scores (even higher than Whites)? Does that mean that Nazis biased it for Jews...or are Ashkenazi Jews just simply smarter (in the types of logic measured by these tests)?

I think what's perhaps even more significant in this film is everything that their mentality leaves out...like basically much of any self-responsibility, self-auditing, self-objectivity or accountability.

And the litmus test for this is when you remove all Whites from the picture, do their lives get better or worse? Like Detroit?

So, what specific parts did you agree or disagree with?

Edited March 25, 2014 by vortex

[Aetherous]

Modern society needs to look at the reality of history and realize that Africans are the elder brothers and sisters of humanity. Africans are likely about 200,000 years ahead of the other races in terms of showing up as homo-sapiens, and they are about 3000 years ahead of the other races in terms of living in advanced societies with maths, sciences, medicine, and all the advancements that other societies were built off of.

 

Nothing against Africans, but nope.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

The importance of the thing is that you can't debate that the Moors didn't bring Khemetic (Egyptian) knowledge to Europe with Chemistry, architectural mathematics, astronomical architecture, etc.. It comes from the Middle East which came from Africa, and it was black Africans who brought it to Europe around the 7th century. The white people were being taught these things by Africans. It was black Africans taking over Europe and teaching them maths and sciences.

[ralis]

From my reading we are all descended from a common African female ancestor, approximately 200k years ago. I suggest that all this comparing races cease and accept what we all are. Race is skin deep. It is a person or group of people that advance humanity in myriad ways.

 

 

 

There is more evidence than this brief article online. This is a place to start.

 

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/female-ancestor.htm

Edited March 25, 2014 by ralis

[ralis]

Umm, did we watch the same video? Granted, I mostly skimmed it...but I don't think this video made any such overarching claims?

 

Mostly, they seemed to identify some token Blacks or Black/"dark" ancestry in Whitewashed history - largely in the fields of Catholicism or liberal American politics (but not STEM). Although considering your ancestors double with each generation, that's not that entirely unusual. Princess Di had a minute amount of Indian blood, Bruce Lee was part-White and Hitler was likely 1/4 Jewish + Berber (Moor).. Nonetheless, I did find such token occurrences rather interesting, as well as various etymological claims (ka-rist = spirit risen?)

 

But a lot of their other arguments easily slipped into self-excusive logical deficits.

 

For example, if the White man is attempting to feminize and homosexualize Black males essentially to keep them from procreating with strong families - then why would they mass commercialize the Kardashians and similar Black race porn? Or institute affirmative action that drastically lowers the bar for Blacks at every entrance level and welfare that pays people to breed (unlike say, China's fines for extra kids as true population control). And, why doesn't unrestricted welfare also induce all other races to turn into 72% babies born out-of-wedlock (compared to 29.4% for non-Hispanic whites; and a mere 17.1% for Asians/Pacific Islanders) - if behaviors are simply results of policies (and not the people as well)?

And ALL men (including White) are now being feminized via feminism, not JUST Black men. Yet, I'd say Black men are actually still the last macho men standing, in this regard!

 

But furthermore, keep in mind that all of these liberal policies were basically engineered by Democrats, of whom 96% of Blacks voted for Obama most recently... So, aren't Blacks themselves the ones most responsible for them, regardless? I mean, how do you still blame "White supremacy" for "anti-Black (male)" feminism - when feminism is basically "anti-White man" and a core plank of liberalism and the Democrat Party that Blacks overwhelmingly support en masse???

 

And, does anti-feminism then also make Black males sexist, chauvinist pigs just like their stereotyped White conservative male counterparts? Animal Farm, anyone?

 

Then, one guy states that IQ tests originated from Nazi attempts at eugenics screening - and therefore implies they are intentionally rigged against all non-Whites? But if so, then how come Ashkenazi Jews & East Asians average the highest scores (even higher than Whites)? Does that mean that Nazis biased it for Jews...or are Ashkenazi Jews just simply smarter (in the types of logic measured by these tests)?

I think what's perhaps even more significant in this film is everything that their mentality leaves out...like basically much of any self-responsibility, self-auditing, self-objectivity or accountability.

And the litmus test for this is when you remove all Whites from the picture, do their lives get better or worse? Like Detroit?

So, what specific parts did you agree or disagree with?

 

I doubt from your comments that you have read Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. Your post references to 'National Review' in which Roger Clegg's article 'Latest Statistics on Out-of-Wedlock Births' cites no sources. Furthermore, Clegg's article 'http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/c/roger-clegg' fails to consider institutionalized racism, as well as endemic racist attitudes in his analysis of the gutting of Section 2 of the 'Voting Rights Act'.

 

I may write more tomorrow on this. Why not retract your usual biased unfounded remarks?

Edited March 25, 2014 by ralis

[rex]

There was the House of Wisdom a real civilising influence until it was destroyed by the Mongols in the 13th Century and ''the Tigris and Euphrates ran red with the blood of scholars.'' Just what is it with the collective of humanity?

[Nungali]

The importance of the thing is that you can't debate that the Moors didn't bring Khemetic (Egyptian) knowledge to Europe with Chemistry, architectural mathematics, astronomical architecture, etc.. It comes from the Middle East which came from Africa, and it was black Africans who brought it to Europe around the 7th century. The white people were being taught these things by Africans. It was black Africans taking over Europe and teaching them maths and sciences.

 

 

I could say the same thing about the English and Australia if I pinpoint a time and do not look beyond that (like your 7th century pinpoint).

 

To say the Moors bought 'Khemetic (Egyptian)' knowledge is a bit of a twist 'kemetic' if that is what you mean , is a fairly recent term and mostly used to describe some type of 'Egyptian Neo-pagan' revival.

 

And it wasnt something that originated with the black African Moors - they picked it up and ran with it - but they did a wonderful job of that and did help to bring 'enlightenment' to Europe.

 

Egyptian knowledge ? What is that? If we are talking about ancient Egypt - the Old Kingdom was about as much of a mystery to the New Kingdom Egyptians as it is to us. The better term for the knowledge that the Moors (and others) bought to Europe is best termed Hermetic. (They also were not the only influences, the Reconquista via Spain and Sicily , travel and trade bought about post crusades, etc . )

 

And Hermetic Science and culture results from the Alexandrian Synthesis where a range of influences came together to make a new synthesis of knowledge and thought ; Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and even Bactria ( modern Afghanistan) that spread back out throughout the world.

 

However, we know what became of Alexandria and its library, but this was not the end of things, there were satellite hermetic learning centres and enclaves and libraries outside of Alexandria, like Harran in Turkey.

 

When Christianity was adopted as the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Hermeticism was suppressed along with the whole vast range of non-Christian religions, cults, sects, and schools that had flourished in the Empire, as well as the many forms of Christianity now perceived as competitors with the wealthy and powerful Church of Rome.

 

In 830AD the caliph of Baghdad passed through Harran, a town situated near the interface of the Byzantine and Islamic Empires, which had become a centre for Hermetic study. The Caliph addressed a number of individuals who were not Muslims, as evidenced by their dress, and asked them to which ‘people of the book’ they belonged (then, people of a book or accepted prophet; Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc., were given protection by Moslems, otherwise they were to be converted to Islam or punished under Islamic Law).

 

They explained they were Sabians, a people of southern Saba, (modern southern Arabia and Yemen) or, as known in the Old testament; Sheba (this was acceptable as The Queen of Sheba had in the past assisted in the promulgation of religion and prophets which had led to the dispensation of Mohammad), so they were formally accorded recognition, acceptance and protection. To ratify their status, they were required to name their Holy Book or Books.

 

They cited certain of the texts ascribed to Hermes Trismegistus. This was accepted and Hermeticism became the official religion of the Sabians as recognised by the Islamic authorities, preserving it while other schools of thought were subsumed by Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

 

 

From here Hermetic philosophy infiltrated and enlightened the Islamic empire, moving to Europe via contact during the Crusades and the Reconquista, leading to, in some theories, the age of Enlightenment in Europe.

 

Some of the Hermetic books dealing with philosophy, mysticism, and particularly those dealing with Alchemy, were preserved through the long Middle Ages by scholars and collectors in Greek Byzantium.

 

The group of texts now known as the Corpus Hermeticism finally returned to the Latin West during the Italian Renaissance when the Florentine philosopher prince Cosimo de Medici obtained a set of manuscripts from one of his agents in the Greek East and commissioned the scholar, priest, magician, and philosopher Marsilio Ficino to translate the Corpus into Latin.

 

So one can draw the line anywhere really and thank whoever, whenever, for their contribution.

 

Besides even if the knowledge was purely from 'Africa' - Ancient Egyptians were not Africans ... the Ancient Egyptians were an early split off and migrated into the Nile valley from the proto-Indo-European people that latter settled and built a huge empire in the area of Bactria.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Nungali

[deci belle]

The topic is MOORS in Iberia.

 

Outside those who are too hateful of Spain, Spanish culture (perhaps Catholicism too, hmmmm?) and are so owned by anglo/northern European indoctrinations to the tune of the last 500 years or so, to have avoided actually living in the Iberian peninsula, and have therefore been happy to ignorantly perpetuate the blue countries' Black Legend, one could not avoid noticing that Spain IS north Africa.

 

Evidently, THAT is also to be conceptualized in utterly prejudicial and racist connotations.

 

Open your eyes, people.

 

Who has noticed the ZERO lying around here lately. Who knows where that came from— that and several thousand names of stars in the night sky to boot?

 

 

 

 

ed note: one too many "those" in 2nd sentence

Edited March 25, 2014 by deci belle

[gendao]

The importance of the thing is that you can't debate that the Moors didn't bring Khemetic (Egyptian) knowledge to Europe with Chemistry, architectural mathematics, astronomical architecture, etc.. It comes from the Middle East which came from Africa, and it was black Africans who brought it to Europe around the 7th century. The white people were being taught these things by Africans. It was black Africans taking over Europe and teaching them maths and sciences.

Keep in mind that not all Africans were necessarily "Black"...particularly North Africans, original Egyptians and Moors/Berbers.. Just like not everyone in Asia is ethnically "Asian" (Russians). I'm no Egyptologist...but clearly the history and shifting identities of peoples in that general region over thousands of years IS subject to a LOT of ongoing debate!

The Berber identity is usually wider than language and ethnicity, and encompasses the entire history and geography of North Africa. Berbers are not a homogeneous ethnicity and they encompass a range of phenotypes, societies and ancestries.

Essentially, about ten thousand years ago a population wave from the near East swept over North Africa, bringing in gracile Mediterranean people in the Capsian era. A later wave of immigration occurred in the Neolithic when the expanding farmers from the near east ploughed their way across North Africa, some leaving artwork in the central Sahara to mark their passage.

The prehistoric populations of North Africa are related to the wider group of Paleo-Mediterranean peoples. The Afroasiatic family may have originated in the mesolithic period, perhaps in the context of the Capsian culture. DNA analysis has found commonalities between Berber populations and those of the Sami people of Scandinavia showing a link dating from around 9,000 years ago. By 5000 B.C., the populations of North Africa are an amalgamation of Ibero-Maurisian and Capsian stock blended with a more recent intrusion associated with the Neolithic revolution. Out of these populations, the proto-Berber tribes form during the Late Bronze to Early Iron Age.

I doubt from your comments that you have read Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. Your post references to 'National Review' in which Roger Clegg's article 'Latest Statistics on Out-of-Wedlock Births' cites no sources. Furthermore, Clegg's article 'http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/c/roger-clegg' fails to consider institutionalized racism, as well as endemic racist attitudes in his analysis of the gutting of Section 2 of the 'Voting Rights Act'.

 

I may write more tomorrow on this. Why not retract your usual biased unfounded remarks?

This is common knowledge from the CDC and others... *NEWSFLASH!* The family unit has been rapidly fissioning since the "Civil Rights Era."

Is it correct that "more than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock"?

We turned to data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which publishes a report every year that includes a wealth of data about births in America. The most recent report, published in August 2012, is based on data from 2010.

To make sure we weren’t missing something, we asked two population experts -- Tom W. Smith, a senior fellow at the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, and Douglas Massey, professor at Princeton University's Office of Population Research -- and they agreed that the statistic is the best available.

Federal data confirms that 73 percent of African-American births in 2010 were out of wedlock. Estimates for the percentage of African-American children growing up in single-parent households are slightly lower, at 67 percent.

So, these are really unsurprising facts...unless you've been stuck in a cave or time capsule reading strictly extremist media sources. Why not come out and retract your usual biased unfounded remarks now?

Edited March 25, 2014 by vortex

[SonOfTheGods]

Propaganda + Agenda = Obvious

[Marblehead]

Hey Harmonious Emptiness! What a beautiful title for this thread!!!!!

[Aeran]

he importance of the thing is that you can't debate that the Moors didn't bring Khemetic (Egyptian) knowledge to Europe with Chemistry, architectural mathematics, astronomical architecture, etc.. It comes from the Middle East which came from Africa, and it was black Africans who brought it to Europe around the 7th century. The white people were being taught these things by Africans. It was black Africans taking over Europe and teaching them maths and sciences.

 

 

Which makes sense as long as you pretend that Greece didn't exist.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Aeran

[Apech]

Which makes sense as long as you pretend that Greece didn't exist.

 

 

Nothing makes sense if you try to divide up history on the basis of race.

[Marblehead]

Nothing makes sense if you try to divide up history on the basis of race.

Yes, I clicked I "Like" this post but I just want to emphasize your statement. There is only one race of man - Human. I've said that before on this forum and will repeat it whenever it is appropriate.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

I could say the same thing about the English and Australia if I pinpoint a time and do not look beyond that (like your 7th century pinpoint).

 

To say the Moors bought 'Khemetic (Egyptian)' knowledge is a bit of a twist 'kemetic' if that is what you mean , is a fairly recent term and mostly used to describe some type of 'Egyptian Neo-pagan' revival.

 

Khemet was the name of Egypt during the time of the pharaohs. link

 

And it wasnt something that originated with the black African Moors - they picked it up and ran with it - but they did a wonderful job of that and did help to bring 'enlightenment' to Europe.

 

Yes, but I'm simply trying to show this history so that people like modern day police officers, employers, and teachers may hopefully, one day, never again be able to look at a young man of African descent and assume that race is somehow a determining factor on that person's inherent potential.

 

Egyptian knowledge ? What is that? If we are talking about ancient Egypt - the Old Kingdom was about as much of a mystery to the New Kingdom Egyptians as it is to us. The better term for the knowledge that the Moors (and others) bought to Europe is best termed Hermetic. (They also were not the only influences, the Reconquista via Spain and Sicily , travel and trade bought about post crusades, etc . )

 

And Hermetic Science and culture results from the Alexandrian Synthesis where a range of influences came together to make a new synthesis of knowledge and thought ; Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and even Bactria ( modern Afghanistan) that spread back out throughout the world.

 

I can't fault you for not knowing much about the relationships between Ancient Greece and Khemet, as not many people do, but Greece basically was essentially hued reflection of Khemetic religion and knowledge. Pythagoras was a student in Khemet. It was the place to go learn in the ancient world. It had been a growing civilization for over 3000 years before Greece reached it's classical period.

 

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Besides even if the knowledge was purely from 'Africa' - Ancient Egyptians were not Africans ... the Ancient Egyptians were an early split off and migrated into the Nile valley from the proto-Indo-European people that latter settled and built a huge empire in the area of Bactria.

 

 

"Mentuhotep II commanded the construction of many temples though few survive to this day. Most of them are located in Upper Egypt, more precisely in Abydos, Aswan, Tod, Armant, Gebelein, Elkab, Karnak and Denderah.[29] In doing so, Mentuhotep followed a tradition started by his grandfather Intef II: royal building activities in the provincial temples of Upper Egypt began under Intef II and lasted throughout the Middle Kingdom."

 

You can see they had various colours to use. Any reason they would go out of their way to make all of his skin dark other than the vast likelyhood that it was?

 

The other thing to know, is that not all black Africans look like West Africans. See the following video. You can even see Africans that look Asian!

 

[Nungali]

Khemet was the name of Egypt during the time of the pharaohs. link

 

Yes, you are right, I should have said ; that term has come back into fashion more nowadays and mostly used to describe some type of 'Egyptian Neo-pagan' revival. That is why I use the term 'Ancient Egypt'.

 

 

 

Yes, but I'm simply trying to show this history so that people like modern day police officers, employers, and teachers may hopefully, one day, never again be able to look at a young man of African descent and assume that race is somehow a determining factor on that person's inherent potential.

 

Great motive! That is my hope too . I have seen it myself here - black people going from a near traditional existence to be quite capable of anything white people can do in 2 generations ( 1 if they had the chance) ... this might be prejudice but I often find them more capable ... and thats not to do with skin colour that has to do with living a lifestyle of observation, 'wit' and cleverness in nature. They can often find new and unseen solutions and are known , here, to be quite inventive and innovative in many areas. But that might stem from a lifestyle thing - they have had 50,000 years to develop that.

 

Unfortunately I have seen the reverse - ignorant people degrading them and not giving them a chance to shine

 

I can't fault you for not knowing much about the relationships between Ancient Greece and Khemet, as not many people do, but Greece basically was essentially hued reflection of Khemetic religion and knowledge. Pythagoras was a student in Khemet. It was the place to go learn in the ancient world. It had been a growing civilization for over 3000 years before Greece reached it's classical period.

 

 

 

"Mentuhotep II commanded the construction of many temples though few survive to this day. Most of them are located in Upper Egypt, more precisely in Abydos, Aswan, Tod, Armant, Gebelein, Elkab, Karnak and Denderah.[29] In doing so, Mentuhotep followed a tradition started by his grandfather Intef II: royal building activities in the provincial temples of Upper Egypt began under Intef II and lasted throughout the Middle Kingdom."

 

You can see they had various colours to use. Any reason they would go out of their way to make all of his skin dark other than the vast likelyhood that it was?

 

The other thing to know, is that not all black Africans look like West Africans. See the following video. You can even see Africans that look Asian!

 

 

I only know a tiny bit about Egyptology. And yes, the influence of Egypt on Greece may have been grater than realised. Somewhere I had a list of all the Greek Philosophers that had Egyptian teachers, and some who were actually Egyptians themselves but their name appears as a Greek rendering of the Egyptian, so many consider them Greek, or they lived and studied in Greece. Cant place the list now, but it was informative. However, if we are talking about the knowledge that passed into Spain from African Islamic culture that is usually considered Hermetic and stemming from the Alexandrian Synthesis.

 

Colour schemes were different in Egypt , statue or figure skin colour may not be a clear indication'

 

 

 

I cant remember what the black colour represents ... but it can also depict skin colour. I think your second pic there is better evidence - the unpainted stone figure, clear evidence of Negro features that can be identified with the southern indigenous type. It is quiet well known that there were some black KIngs ... Piankhy or Py , Pi ank was a fav of mine. In some cases the Nubian Kingdom ( Pi was Dyn XXV ) emulated the Old and Middle Kingdom of Egypt - when Egypt itself had wandered from its own precepts.

 

http://www.yare.org/essays/pianky.htm

 

So, when I say the original stock that settled the Nile Valley and evolved into the Egyptians originally came from the P.I.E. people (who may have moved into the Sahara area first ), I am not discounting the influence and effect the African negroid people had on them. I am a bit rusty on all this (going off the top of my head at the moment) but I dont think contact with Nubia was until after the early dynasties , so I cant remember if there were any Old Kingdom Black Kings. of course, since early settlement the Egyptian people also mixed with new arrivals; the 'Sea Peoples', Hittites, 'Asians', Semites, etc.

 

Yes there are numerous types of 'native Africans'. Here in Australia, pre white arrival, there were around 600 different language and cultural groups, and three main types of 'Australoids'; anything from the very dark blue-black, the more 'negrito' New Guinea type, desert people with light brown skin and hair ... some blonde with blue eyes ... but they are all 'black' ..... (and beautiful ) .

[Harmonious Emptiness]

I would like to keep on topic of Moor history, but to see the race of the Ancient Egyptians, just look at the statues.

 

If one watches the video above "What African's Really Look Like," you can see that people don't need to have strong West African features to be black Africans. Nonetheless, one can see the West African features in Ancient Egyptian statues as well, not to say that every West African even has these "West African features."

 

 

One good example is Tutankhamun's family.

 

Grandfather: Amenhotep III
Grandmother: Queen Tiye
Father: Akhenaten
King Tutankhamun

 

 

 

 

[deci belle]

Just to bring the OP into the mix a bit, one must endeavor to realize that Moorish culture presided in political hegemony over the Iberian peninsula longer than Spain has been a country.

 

Spain only united in terms of the Hapsburg court in 1492. The preceding 700~900 years were the domain of peoples of all the North African cultures under the umbrella of the advanced and progressive Califate in Iberia— and it is reasonable to state categorically that none of its influence is attributable to anything remotely Egyptian.

 

Northern/Anglo europeans just refuse to see that fact in the true scope of the insanely long history of human occupation and ancient worldly migrations. If it's not Rome or Greece or Egypt— it ain't good enough. Hah!

 

Before the Moors (who also happened to whip the daylights out of the Tuareg tribes in their Mohammedan zest) re-stabilized commerce across the vast reaches of the Sahara after the Roman era was eclipsed by the Teutons' expansion in the so-called "dark-ages", there were and still are the very ancient Berber cultures that reach far into the past of North African occupation.

 

Lo and behold, by virtue of the Moorish (arabic) NOT Egyptian, influence, at least certain parts of northern Africa (and what eventually became Spain) were spared of the European disease of filth and ignorant squalor for many centuries and became the home of an earlier and very much enlightened age (a fact which is curiously left out of ALL the European/Anglo/North American history books).

 

Lets endeavor to be mindful of reality in terms of the real people inhabiting the times and places that Harmonious Emptiness has focused on and not have the knee-jerk reaction to bury the insights clearly portrayed in the OP with stale renditions of institutional (European) indoctrination perpetuated over the past 500 years and counting.

 

Please review that piece in the OP with fresh eyes and ears.❤

[themiddleway]

Just to bring the OP into the mix a bit, one must endeavor to realize that Moorish culture presided in political hegemony over the Iberian peninsula longer than Spain has been a country.

 

Spain only united in terms of the Hapsburg court in 1492. The preceding 700~900 years were the domain of peoples of all the North African cultures under the umbrella of the advanced and progressive Califate in Iberia and it is reasonable to state categorically that none of its influence is attributable to anything remotely Egyptian.

 

Northern/Anglo europeans just refuse to see that fact in the true scope of the insanely long history of human occupation and ancient worldly migrations. If it's not Rome or Greece or Egypt it ain't good enough. Hah!

 

Before the Moors (who also happened to whip the daylights out of the Tuareg tribes in their Mohammedan zest) re-stabilized commerce across the vast reaches of the Sahara after the Roman era was eclipsed by the Teutons' expansion in the so-called "dark-ages", there were and still are the very ancient Berber cultures that reach far into the past of North African occupation.

 

Lo and behold, by virtue of the Moorish (arabic) NOT Egyptian, influence, at least certain parts of northern Africa (and what eventually became Spain) were spared of the European disease of filth and ignorant squalor for many centuries and became the home of an earlier and very much enlightened age (a fact which is curiously left out of ALL the European/Anglo/North American history books).

 

Lets endeavor to be mindful of reality in terms of the real people inhabiting the times and places that Harmonious Emptiness has focused on and not have the knee-jerk reaction to bury the insights clearly portrayed in the OP with stale renditions of institutional (European) indoctrination perpetuated over the past 500 years and counting.

 

Please review that piece in the OP with fresh eyes and ears.❤

"At the last judgment the ink spent by scholars is equal to the blood of martyrs."

Said Nursi

Edited March 29, 2014 by themiddleway

[Harmonious Emptiness]

for the record, when I say that they brought Egyptian knowledege, I'm referring especially to things like architecture based on astronomy and other Egyptian knowledge which is now found in Freemasonry.

 

As to whether the math and chemistry has its roots in Khemet, that is debatable since this knowledge evolved over time as it continues to do with modern technology. However, we know that Pythagoras was an anomaly in Greece because he actually studied in Egypt (please look it up if you are not aware of this). The math of Khemet was advanced, as must have been their chemistry since the word "chemistry" comes from the word "Khemet."

 

Remember, Khemet had over 3000 years of progress before Greece started its classical period which was mostly based on things they learned from Khemet since their brightest scholars studied in Khemet. Khemet was the place to go and learn at that time.

 

Yes, there were early developments in Sumeria and Babylon too, but they didn't have the same power of influence nor stature as a place of learning as Egypt. Most likely, the highest scholars of Babylon also knew to go and learn in Egypt if they wanted to get really deep into the knowledge available at the time.

 

Further, the knowledge in Egypt may have borrowed from various sources, however, my point in this thread is to show the absurdity of modern perceptions of race and civilization, since the people who are the most responsible for passing civilization onto other nationalities throughout history were mostly black Africans.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

 

Further, the knowledge in Egypt may have borrowed from various sources, however, my point in this thread is to show the absurdity of modern perceptions of race and civilization, since the people who are the most responsible for passing civilization onto other nationalities throughout history were mostly black Africans.

 

So that's it? No other rebuttals?

[Apech]

So that's it? No other rebuttals?

 

 

Seems you were right all along

[Marblehead]

Seems you were right all along

I think I have already voiced my opposition to that understanding.

 

But then, if I go on about it some will view me as a racist and that would get me upset.

[Nungali]

Same here ... I already butted it ... I am not going to rebutt al it more.