Vietman.....anti-China riots...

[ChiForce]

Anyone seeing it coming? No, I didn't. My condolence to those who were killed. I don't believe that killing defenseless ethnic Chinese would shift the political balance in favoring Vietnam and causing China to move the oil rig. Also, majority of the victims are actually Taiwanese nationals. Here, the country is now facing massive unemployment because the employees burnt down their own factories and killing their bosses. Other Asian companies and factories are affected too. So, the current political and social climates won't be good for business and foreign investments. In addition to that, the Vietnam govt has to pay for the compensations from the riots. Yet, Chinese govt has no intentions to move the oil rig until August, as scheduled.

[GrandmasterP]

One dead according to BBC and that in a Taiwanese owned factory when their main beef seems to be against the PRC.

If the firm uses Chinese characters in its signage then it seems to be seen as 'fair game' by the protestors.

[ChiForce]

One dead according to BBC and that in a Taiwanese owned factory when their main beef seems to be against the PRC. If the firm uses Chinese characters in its signage then it seems to be seen as 'fair game' by the protestors.

Is 20 reported dead. They are aftering ethnic Chinese. Not various Chinese nationals. Is Vietnam. Don't they have a history of ethnic cleansing???

[GrandmasterP]

I dunno.

I've only been once and they were just about the nicest people you could ever hope to meet.

Totally hospitable.

Outside the city its next to impossible to pay for a meal people are forever inviting one into their home for a cuppa tea always with food offered and a chat.

Schooldays French will get you by and English is widely spoken too but French more so.

I was surprised to see this trouble there.

Edited May 15, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[ChiForce]

I dunno.

I've only been once and they were just about the nicest people you could ever hope to meet.

Totally hospitable.

Outside the city its next to impossible to pay for a meal people are forever inviting one into their home for a cuppa tea always with food offered and a chat.

Schooldays French will get you by and English is widely spoken too but French more so.

I was surprised to see this trouble there.

That's because you are from UK and an UK citizen. Considering that Vietnam has been a French colony for centuries and they are more receptive to other Europeans. Yeah, the country has a dark history of ethnic cleansing towards the ethnic Chinese Vietnamese.

 

I think I remember dreaming about Vietnam but not sure what they were. Apparently, the protests will continue until Sunday.

[Silent Answers]

There's a lot of fear mongering going on and a sudden rise in anti-China groups out of the blue...As a guess, I'd say it's being orchestrated by people higher up, trying to bring China down a notch and create a chain reaction of anger and fear against the country. Not that China is perfect, but they are getting a lot of things right lately.

[GrandmasterP]

Agreed on that.

It all boils down to politics yet again.

Recipe for trouble is politics, all of it and it's seldom the politicians who are the ones suffering, it is ordinary working stiffs like these poor folks who were killed.

Left to their own devices, in my experience; people tend to get on with each other.

Edited May 16, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[Brian]

Left to their own devices, people tend to form governments to protect them from their own fears & weaknesses without realizing they are creating an organism which, unchecked, will enslave them. They sometimes realize their mistake and strike down the beast but, without addressing (or at least becoming aware of) the underlying fears & weaknesses which motivated the creation in the first place, they almost inevitably repeat the process.

 

Those who gather personal energy as a result of this creation strive to suppress and redirect that potential awareness in order to prolong collapse and then, recognizing its impending approach, alter their tactics in an attempt to claim to be leading the revolt in hopes that they will remain in the saddle.

 

In this specific instance, I think the specter of ancient Chinese dominance (punctuated by the invasion in 1979, which still lives in the memory of some) is being leveraged by those in the Vietnamese Socialist Party who are worried about the rise of pro-Beijing elements within the Party, fanning the flames of socialist nationalism to break that growing influence and solidify popular support for the current ruling elite.

 

The fact that the ruling elite are looking towards the US to help them against the Chinese is an interesting twist of history, though -- don't you think?

Edited May 16, 2014 by Brian

[GreytoWhite]

No surprise to me now but I when I first learned of Vietnamese enmity toward Chinese people it was very interesting. I was the Engrish-English translator for a Vietnamese language search engine startup about six years back. The founder said one day, "Hate all Chinese. Too much war in China through years. Much blood in soil, Chinese all bastards, eat hate and killing. Take Vietnam business and buy all land. Need to get Chinese out." The odd thing to me was that many of the ethnicities that are "Vietnamese" originated in China and if you understand Cantonese and Mandarin you're going to get about 2/3 of the Vietnamese language.

[ChiForce]

Within these few days, I have read what is needed to know about the entire Vietnamese hatred towards the Chinese. Well, to put things into the perspective, ethnic Chinese in Vietnam is like Jews. Too successful. Too much money. Too powerful. Refuse to integrate. And ethnic Chinese tends to look too different than the natives. And then there is the genocide of various ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia too. The boat people during the 70s and 80s were mainly ethnic Chinese being driven out by the Vietnamese govt. In the light of the recent event, it is very interesting because I believe maybe the CIA is involved. Here is something I blogged on my FB page...heheh..

 

"The CIA must be really busy now. After Ukraine and now Vietnam. I have to see how the anti-Chinese riots play out in Vietnam when these terrorist mobs destroyed 30% to 40% of the country's economic output by destroying foreign owned businesses....which are mostly owned by Taiwanese nationals and maybe 10% owned by Chinese nationals from China. And 50 factories owned by South Koreans. These terrorist mobs are aftering ethnic Han Chinese regardless of their nationalities even though it was China's political move to move the oil rig to 150 miles off the coast of Vietnam. Somehow, these terrorist mobs decided to go after the defenseless ethnic Chinese to force political changes in China. Terrorism!!!! The situation has the potential to split the Chinese Han ethnic line into various nationality divides (it may re-ignite the division between the mainland China and Taiwan). Maybe the CIA is getting sloppy and didn't do their homework but generally stroking anti-Chinese sentiments around the world would tend to create unity amongst the ethnic Han Chinese. Gee... this is almost the Chinese version of the Ukrainian crisis. Unfortunately, there is no Nato or the EU to bail out Vietnam when all the Taiwanese investments disappear and literally collapsing the Vietnamese economy."

 

I have been reading up on Taiwanese news and currently there is this underlining debate that the One China policy maybe contributed the destruction of the many Taiwanese businesses. Some Taiwanese law makers are blaming the protestors for not able to tell the difference between Taiwanese and Chinese from China. Like really? They are both ethnic Chinese.

 

I think I am up to the speed with the whole anti-China riot in Vietnam because I have a dream last night. After what I blogged on my FB page, I had this dream. In fact, every time I blogged on some politically sensitive issues dealing with America and the world, like the Ukrainian crisis, I believe I am getting psychic attacks from somewhere. Usually, in my dream, I was being chased after. Last night in my dream, I was driving my car and trying to find a place to park. I found a public parking garage. My car alarm can open the garage door. I went inside. I didn't close the door and the garage was filled with young people. It was like I was in an university. It got too crowded and I decided to close the garage door. Here, I and my friends were skateboarding inside. Then, we were under attacked like somebody wanted to flush us out of the garage. I knew who was attacking me. He was shooting some sorts of flares and I called him the "Flash 5" or "5 Flash." Or was it 5 flush??? Poker?

 

Obviously, the public garage represents my blog. It is a public garage because the blog is on my FB page.

Edited May 17, 2014 by ChiForce

[joeblast]

I'm sure the IMF would be all too happy to provide some chains a loan to vietnam, should they not need it.