Police and Prisons

[skydog]

Does anyone find it odd that some people make all their income, and all their needs met and gain tremendous advantageous

 

from finding people who disobeyed certain laws (which always change)

 

and lock them in prison taking their freedom away or make them into slaves for profit of the billion dollar prison industry

 

Some tribal cultures in africa stand around the person who committed a bad act and sing and pray to them

 

[Marblehead]

Some tribal cultures in africa stand around the person who committed a bad act and sing and pray to them

But that apparently doesn't work either because there are still those who commit bad acts.

 

I think you will never find a good solution to this problem.

[GrandmasterP]

So Charlie Manson what song would you like us to sing to you next?

All together now.....

" The sun has got his hat on.....

Come on lads.. SING UP!"

 

;-)

 

Nope.

Some people are best banged up mate and we're all that bit safer for the fact that they are.

Edited May 16, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[thelerner]

Skydog's got a point. We need to keep an eye on juggernaut that is the prison-industrial complex (here in the US). The last 20 years its become a For Profit evil that's come up with some nasty ways to feed itself. Jail and prison are unfortunate necessities, but there's much evidence the 'system' has played a role to get increased and harsher sentences passed, feeding and bloating itself.

 

Thankfully the pendulum is beginning to swing away from paranoid unthinking sentences. Society seems to realize we can't spend 100's of thousands or millions of dollars locking up petty nonviolent criminals. The drug war has shattered many futures and fed drug cartels that fuel mass murder. Things are shifting away. I hope it continues.

 

No more 3 strikes its out, toning down the drug war, decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. Less criminals in prison and more support or supervision for ex-cons to go straight.

[GrandmasterP]

Agreed.

There are too many people locked up who could be better kept and treated with outside of a prison.

I was meaning dangerous nut cases.

Things here in the UK aren't as bad as once they were.

Back in the day people were imprisoned for debt and the majority of debtor prisoners were guys sent down for failing to pay maintenance to a divorced spouse.

By the time they were released the debt had mounted so back they went to prison.

Seems to me that in the USA if you are poor, black and a man then you are more likely to find yourself banged up in the stony lonesome than a well off white dude who has maybe committed a similar crime.

They tried private prisons here but those didn't really catch on so most prisons are still run by the Home Office Prisons Service.

Hence we don't have that same commercial impetus to lock people up in order to keep the shareholders in funds that has maybe been the case in the USA 'for profit' prisons system.

Edited May 16, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[skydog]

But that apparently doesn't work either because there are still those who commit bad acts.

 

I think you will never find a good solution to this problem.

Yes, you have a point there, though Im going to guess there was way less "criminals and unhappy people in such cultures though I cannot be sure and it is a little irrelevant

 

 

So Charlie Manson what song would you like us to sing to you next?

All together now.....

" The sun has got his hat on.....

Come on lads.. SING UP!"

 

;-)

 

Nope.

Some people are best banged up mate and we're all that bit safer for the fact that they are.

 

Yes I agree, I watched some documentary on prison gangs the other day kind of crazy

 

Skydog's got a point. We need to keep an eye on juggernaut that is the prison-industrial complex (here in the US). The last 20 years its become a For Profit evil that's come up with some nasty ways to feed itself. Jail and prison are unfortunate necessities, but there's much evidence the 'system' has played a role to get increased and harsher sentences passed, feeding and bloating itself.

 

Thankfully the pendulum is beginning to swing away from paranoid unthinking sentences. Society seems to realize we can't spend 100's of thousands or millions of dollars locking up petty nonviolent criminals. The drug war has shattered many futures and fed drug cartels that fuel mass murder. Things are shifting away. I hope it continues.

 

No more 3 strikes its out, toning down the drug war, decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. Less criminals in prison and more support or supervision for ex-cons to go straight.

 

Good points, I guess its getting better

 

Agreed.

There are too many people locked up who could be better kept and treated with outside of a prison.

I was meaning dangerous nut cases.

Things here in the UK aren't as bad as once they were.

Back in the day people were imprisoned for debt and the majority of debtor prisoners were guys sent down for failing to pay maintenance to a divorced spouse.

By the time they were released the debt had mounted so back they went to prison.

Seems to me that in the USA if you are poor, black and a man then you are more likely to find yourself banged up in the stony lonesome than a well off white dude who has maybe committed a similar crime.

They tried private prisons here but those didn't really catch on so most prisons are still run by the Home Office Prisons Service.

Hence we don't have that same commercial impetus to lock people up in order to keep the shareholders in funds that has maybe been the case in the USA 'for profit' prisons system.

 

True

 

 

 

I used multi quote yes hhahaha

[Marblehead]

Skydog's got a point.

True. I wasn't criticizing the points he made. I was just trying to be realistic about it. In many regards, the reason there are police is to make sure people do the right thing or apprehend them when they don't.

 

I agree with you regarding non-violent crimes. These people should not be in any kind of jail. (But they do need to pay back for the wrong they did.)

 

America has the largest percentage of its population in jail of all the nations on the planet. And we are the land of the free?

 

Yes, the corporate prison system has its down side. But many of the governments systems weren't working very well at all. Pros and cons.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Marblehead

[Cheshire Cat]

Edited May 17, 2014 by DAO rain TAO

[Andrei]

Has anybody seen this doc: doing time, doing vipassana? It is really amazing.

 

[Marblehead]

Has anybody seen this doc: doing time, doing vipassana? It is really amazing.

I don't watch those types of programs as for me they are too depressing and I can do nothing to improve things for them.

 

And it is still true, the more laws a society has the more criminals it will have.

[taoistfist]

Does anyone find it odd that some people make all their income, and all their needs met and gain tremendous advantageous

 

from finding people who disobeyed certain laws (which always change)

 

and lock them in prison taking their freedom away or make them into slaves for profit of the billion dollar prison industry

 

Some tribal cultures in africa stand around the person who committed a bad act and sing and pray to them

 

well how to go forward..... as someone who works as a Correctional Officer

we house a lot of people who - child porn / rape / spousal abuse / assault / break and enter / abduction / torture etc.

i am quite happy to be able to have these guys locked up fpr a time. we give courses and try to teach behaviors that are diffferent than what they currently use. sometimes it works sometimes not. if not we try again when they come back.

 

then we have the addicted people who use crimes as listed above because of there addiction or in order to support it. we actually have an on site treatment centre to change attitudes/behaviors.

 

then we have the drug dealers who may or may not use and may or may not do the above crimes as well. i will reserve my opinion on this as ther are too many vairables involved.the law, the drugs, the lifestyle, the othr people involved.

 

does the system need change....yes but what....many probably, but it is easy to judge from the outside and have opinions. when you deal with the people who fight and assault all the time it is quite different than that i assure you.

[taoistfist]

also every country and jail is different ...

the usa may want to look at putting more money into health care and education and less into putting certain people behind bars.

 

[Brian]

Has anybody seen this doc: doing time, doing vipassana? It is really amazing.

Wang Juemin spent many years practicing his qigong in one of Mao's prisons.

[skydog]

shadow

Edited May 17, 2014 by skydog

[Andrei]

I don't watch those types of programs as for me they are too depressing and I can do nothing to improve things for them.

 

And it is still true, the more laws a society has the more criminals it will have.

 

What a huge mistake to judge something without even take a peek. I mean is really awesome, nothing is depressing in that movie, on the contrary, it will really melt your soul - if you have one. You don't need to do nothing, just see what they did to liberate themselves.

[Marblehead]

I watched for about 7 minutes. It was depressing for me. Therefore I stopped it.

 

You are likely correct in your assessment of my statement but I cannot change what I naturally am and how I feel. When I watch wildlife documentaries I will change the channel if too much time is spent on the kill. Sure, I know it happens. But that doesn't mean I need be a part of it or watch it and feel uncomfortable.

 

I would much rather go to Pep Boys and get another hug.

[Simple_Jack]

Has anybody seen this doc: doing time, doing vipassana? It is really amazing.

 

Have you checked out "The Dhamma Brothers" [http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/7974/The-Dhamma-Brothers] documentary? An Alabama prison implemented a program modeled after the one in that documentary. Seeing hardened criminals burn through emotional blockages, opening up with feelings of remorse, gaining a sense of respite from the mental anguish of their actions, contented and at peace despite the harsh reality of their environment and the fact that most of them won't ever be able to leave on parole...it's really remarkable. Definitely worth a watch.