Dark Templar Posted June 19, 2014 no Thanks for the answer. I'm asking because on your site you provide the following lineage: Yang Luchan (杨露禅) – Fu Zhou (富周) – Fu Ying (富英) – Xiao Gongzhuo (萧公卓) – Lu Shiyang (吕實陽) - Vitalii Lishchyna Yang Luchan – Yang Jianhou (杨健侯) - Yang Chengfu (楊澄甫) - Zhao Bin (赵斌) – Lu Shiyang - Vitalii Lishchyna And I doubt there is a Fast frame in both branches. So I am interested which Fast frame you may practice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotVoid Posted June 19, 2014 Ma Chuanxu learned some hard style martial arts when he was younger, but he focused in and specialized in the internal martial arts when he got older. It is not hard to manipulate information to try to support a certain point of view; however, I think Ma Chuanxu's explanations about what constitutes 'internal' in the internal martial arts, and what the primary focus is on in internal martial arts training, is pretty clear and straightforward. His view seems to be quite consistent with the view of various students of Yang Cheng Fu as well. I realize there are other points of view out there, but just wanted to present this point of view in the discussion, as I believe it is quite a common point of view amongst respected and accomplished internal martial artists. All the best... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vitalii Posted June 19, 2014 And I doubt there is a Fast frame in both branches. So I am interested which Fast frame you may practice? you can continue to doubt, no problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 19, 2014 At any rate, few people these days feel its of significant enough importance to MAKE the time to devote at least three hours or more of daily practice of FTFY I agree with all what is in red. The practice of nei gong(internal) is before wai gong(external). Tai ji quan meets this requirement. keep them facepalms a comin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vitalii Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Edited June 19, 2014 by Vitalii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Templar Posted June 19, 2014 you can continue to doubt, no problem. So you mean that Xiao Gongzhuo or Zhao Bin was practicing Kuaijia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted June 19, 2014 Thanks for the answer. I'm asking because on your site you provide the following lineage: And I doubt there is a Fast frame in both branches. So I am interested which Fast frame you may practice? FYI In general, fast frame or fast Taiji is the next level of the slow taiji(the fundamental level) to issue higher body strength like Fajin(發勁). Hence, one must practice the slow Taiji for sometime to develop the jin in the muscles, in order, to practice fast Taiji. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted June 19, 2014 Mod Comment: To Dark Templar Nothing in particular but when taken in total, your comments on this and other Vitalli threads are very close to Trolling. Its probably not the way you see them, but they are a hair away from getting you a warning. The point isn't up for debate. Its time to move on. Perhaps you could start a new thread on an aspect of Taoism that interests you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vitalii Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Edited June 20, 2014 by Vitalii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites