What can feminism do for men?

[dawei]

Is there another Taoism forum where the moderators do a better job, and/or there are people

who actually discuss a given question?

 

At this point, I don't think even the moderators could guide this group.

 

Let's not forget DDJ1:1

 

If mods are 'guides'... then it is not the true 'guide'...

 

 

This is a controversial topic in the first place... ergo it is lucky to be in Off-topic and not Pit.

 

As the OP, you can assert the direction of the topic. I don't think any staff are going to attempt to wrestle control of this unless there are violations of the rules.

[Sloppy Zhang]

I think you would. But to wait for some people to develop sensitivity would really take too much time.

 

Oh no, ladies first, I insist.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Feminism helps men in the fact that they only have to pay half the bills now .

[Marblehead]

I'm a virgin every time because every experience is my first time experiencing that exact moment.

 

I know. Smooth, huh?

Hehehe. You done good.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Let's not forget DDJ1:1

 

If mods are 'guides'... then it is not the true 'guide'...

 

 

This is a controversial topic in the first place... ergo it is lucky to be in Off-topic and not Pit.

 

As the OP, you can assert the direction of the topic. I don't think any staff are going to attempt to wrestle control of this unless there are violations of the rules.

 

It made it to page 11 with no suspensions or bans and not the pit; not even locked!!!!! That is really good for a thread on most topics.

[Marblehead]

Feminism helps men in the fact that they only have to pay half the bills now .

That is very true in a utility sort of way.

[Brian]

 

Let's not forget DDJ1:1

 

If mods are 'guides'... then it is not the true 'guide'...

 

 

This is a controversial topic in the first place... ergo it is lucky to be in Off-topic and not Pit.

 

As the OP, you can assert the direction of the topic. I don't think any staff are going to attempt to wrestle control of this unless there are violations of the rules.

I think I've got this -- the true guide cannot be typed.

[tyler zambori]

@tyler zambori, I really don't get what you're aiming at, I would just prefer you'd use your main account for it.

 

And I would have preferred it if people would have actually discussed the question:

"What can feminism do for Men", but that didn't happen.

 

I'm not the one who put the thread in the off topic forum, if that's what you mean.

 

So, do you have any thoughts about what feminism can do for men?

If not, you're off topic. YOU are a derailer.

[Yascra]

Oh no, ladies first, I insist.

 

Yeah, I did get you're a cutie ^^

 

Anyway, I'm more gay actually, not too much interested in heteros.

[Marblehead]

I think I've got this -- the true guide cannot be typed.

At least not on a typewriter. One has to go beyond the physical.

[Marblehead]

"What can feminism do for Men", but that didn't happen.

Well, I tried, damn it!

 

Yin and Yang are still floating around.

[Marblehead]

Anyway, I'm more gay actually, not too much interested in heteros.

That's only because you haven't met me in person.

[Brian]

At least not on a typewriter. One has to go beyond the physical.

Like a computer with a printer?

[tyler zambori]

Let's not forget DDJ1:1

 

If mods are 'guides'... then it is not the true 'guide'...

 

 

This is a controversial topic in the first place... ergo it is lucky to be in Off-topic and not Pit.

 

As the OP, you can assert the direction of the topic. I don't think any staff are going to attempt to wrestle control of this unless there are violations of the rules.

 

 

Off-topic works for me. I'm not feeling very enthusiastic about any discussion

about what feminism can do for men, now. But I'm not planning to fight either.

[Marblehead]

But I'm not planning to fight either.

We rarely plan to do that. It just happens naturally.

Edited June 25, 2014 by Marblehead

[tyler zambori]

And we can't leave out the history of the pen, can we?

 

Pen

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Pen (disambiguation).
An inexpensive ballpoint pen.
A luxury pen (made by Caran d'Ache).

A pen (Latin: penna, feather) is a writing implement used to apply ink to a surface, usually paper, for writing or drawing. Historically, reed pens, quill pens, and dip pens were used, with a nib dipped in the ink. Ruling pens allow precise adjustment of line width, and still find a few specialized uses, but technical pens such as the Rapidograph are more commonly used. Modern types also include ballpoint, rollerball, fountain, and felt or ceramic tip pens.[1]


Contents

1 Types of pens
1.1 Modern
1.2 Historic
2 History
3 Manufacturers
3.1 United States
4 See also
5 Notes and references
6 External links

Types of pens
Modern
A mark made on paper with a rollerball pen, and the tip of that pen.

The main modern types of pens can be categorized by the kind of writing tip or point:

A ballpoint pen dispenses ink by rolling a small hard sphere, usually 0.7–1.2 mm and made of brass, steel or tungsten carbide.[2] The ink dries almost immediately on contact with paper. The ballpoint pen is usually reliable and inexpensive.[citation needed] It has replaced the fountain pen as the most common tool for everyday writing.

A fountain pen uses water-based liquid ink delivered through a nib. The ink flows from a reservoir through a "feed" to the nib, then through the nib, due to capillary action and gravity. The nib has no moving parts and delivers ink through a thin slit to the writing surface. A fountain pen reservoir can be refillable or disposable, this disposable type being an ink cartridge. A pen with a refillable reservoir may have a mechanism, such as a piston, to draw ink from a bottle through the nib, or it may require refilling with an eyedropper. Refill reservoirs, also known as cartridge converters, are available for some pens which use disposable cartridges.

A fountain pen

A marker, or felt-tip pen, has a porous tip of fibrous material. The smallest, finest-tipped markers are used for writing on paper. Medium-tip markers are often used by children for coloring and drawing. Larger markers are used for writing on other surfaces such as corrugated boxes, whiteboards and for chalkboards, often called "liquid chalk" or "chalkboard markers." Markers with wide tips and bright but transparent ink, called highlighters, are used to mark existing text. Markers designed for children or for temporary writing (as with a whiteboard or overhead projector) typically use non-permanent inks. Large markers used to label shipping cases or other packages are usually permanent markers.

A rollerball pen dispenses a water-based liquid or gel ink through a ball tip similar to that of a ballpoint pen. The less-viscous ink is more easily absorbed by paper than oil-based ink, and the pen moves more easily across a writing surface. The rollerball pen was initially designed to combine the convenience of a ballpoint pen with the smooth "wet ink" effect of a fountain pen. Gel inks are available in a range of colors, including metallic paint colors, glitter effects, neon, blurred effects, saturated colors, pastel tones, vibrant shades, shady colors, invisible ink, see-through effect, shiny colors, and glow-in-the-dark effects.

Historic

These historic types of pens are no longer in common use as writing instruments, but may be used by calligraphers and other artists:

A dip pen (or nib pen) consists of a metal nib with capillary channels, like that of a fountain pen, mounted on a handle or holder, often made of wood. A dip pen usually has no ink reservoir and must be repeatedly recharged with ink while drawing or writing. The dip pen has certain advantages over a fountain pen. It can use waterproof pigmented (particle-and-binder-based) inks, such as so-called India ink, drawing ink, or acrylic inks, which would destroy a fountain pen by clogging, as well as the traditional iron gall ink, which can cause corrosion in a fountain pen. Dip pens are now mainly used in illustration, calligraphy, and comics. A particularly fine-pointed type of dip pen known as a crowquill is a favorite instrument of artists, such as David Stone Martin and Jay Lynch, because its flexible metal point can create a variety of delicate lines, textures and tones with slight pressures while drawing.

The ink brush is the traditional writing implement in East Asian calligraphy. The body of the brush can be made from either bamboo, or rarer materials such as red sandalwood, glass, ivory, silver, and gold. The head of the brush can be made from the hair (or feathers) of a wide variety of animals, including the weasel, rabbit, deer, chicken, duck, goat, pig, tiger, etc. There is also a tradition in both China and Japan of making a brush using the hair of a newborn, as a once-in-a-lifetime souvenir for the child. This practice is associated with the legend of an ancient Chinese scholar who scored first in the Imperial examinations by using such a personalized brush. Calligraphy brushes are widely considered an extension of the calligrapher's arm. Today, calligraphy may also be done using a pen, but pen calligraphy does not enjoy the same prestige as traditional brush calligraphy.

A quill is a pen made from a flight feather of a large bird, most often a goose. Quills were used as instruments for writing with ink before the metal dip pen, the fountain pen, and eventually the ballpoint pen came into use. Quill pens were used in medieval times to write on parchment or paper. The quill eventually replaced the reed pen.

A reed pen is cut from a reed or bamboo, with a slit in a narrow tip. Its mechanism is essentially similar to that of a quill. The reed pen has almost disappeared but it is still used by young school students in some parts of India and Pakistan, who learn to write with them on small timber boards known as "Takhti".

History

M. Klein and Henry W. Wynne received US patent#68445 in 1867 for an ink chamber and delivery system in the handle of the fountain pen.

Ancient Egyptians had developed writing on papyrus scrolls when scribes used thin reed brushes or reed pens from the Juncus maritimus or sea rush.[3] In his book A History of Writing, Steven Roger Fischer suggests that on the basis of finds at Saqqara, the reed pen might well have been used for writing on parchment as long ago as the First Dynasty or about 3000 BC. Reed pens continued to be used until the Middle Ages although they were slowly replaced by quills from about the 7th century. The reed pen, generally made from bamboo, is still used in some parts of Pakistan by young students and is used to write on small boards made of timber.[citation needed]

The quill pen was used in Qumran, Judea to write some of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to around 100 BC. The scrolls were written in Hebrew dialects with bird feathers or quills. After the fall of the Roman Empire, Europeans had difficulty in obtaining reeds[citation needed] and began to use quills. There is a specific reference to quills in the writings of St. Isidore of Seville in the 7th century.[4] Quill pens were still widely used in the 18th century, and were used to write and sign the Constitution of the United States in 1787. Quill pens were replaced some 2000 years later by the Greeks with the reed pen, made by cutting the end of the reed at an angle and making a slit opposite the cut. This proved to be nib-like and more suitable for writing the newly developed Greek alphabet. The reed pen survived until papyrus was replaced by animal skins, vellum and parchment, as a writing surface. The smoother surface of skin allowed finer, smaller writing by the quill pen, derived from the flight feather.[5]

A copper nib was found in the ruins of Pompei showing that metal nibs were used in the year 79.[6] There is also a reference to 'a silver pen to carry ink in', in Samuel Pepys' diary for August 1663.[7] 'New invented' metal pens are advertised in The Times in 1792.[8] A metal pen point was patented in 1803 but the patent was not commercially exploited. A patent for the manufacture of metal pens was advertised for sale by Bryan Donkin in 1811.[9] John Mitchell of Birmingham started to mass-produce pens with metal nibs in 1822, and thereafter the quality of steel nibs had improved enough that dip pens with metal nibs came into generalized use.[10]

The earliest historical record of a pen employing a reservoir dates back to the 10th century. In 953, Ma'ād al-Mu'izz, the Fatimid Caliph of Egypt, demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes, and was provided with a pen which held ink in a reservoir and delivered it to the nib.[11] This pen may have been a fountain pen, but its mechanism remains unknown, and only one record mentioning it has been found. A later reservoir pen was developed in 1636. In his Deliciae Physico-Mathematicae (1636), German inventor Daniel Schwenter described a pen made from two quills. One quill served as a reservoir for ink inside the other quill. The ink was sealed inside the quill with cork. Ink was squeezed through a small hole to the writing point. In 1809, Bartholomew Folsch received a patent in England for a pen with an ink reservoir.[11]

While a student in Paris, Romanian Petrache Poenaru invented the fountain pen, which the French Government patented in May 1827. Fountain pen patents and production then increased in the 1850s, especially steel pens produced by John Mitchell.

Waterman pen and fountain pens made for Air France’s Concorde

The first patent on a ballpoint pen was issued on October 30, 1888, to John J Loud.[12] In 1938, László Bíró, a Hungarian newspaper editor, with the help of his brother George, a chemist, began to work on designing new types of pens including one with a tiny ball in its tip that was free to turn in a socket. As the pen moved along the paper, the ball rotated, picking up ink from the ink cartridge and leaving it on the paper. Bíró filed a British patent on June 15, 1938. In 1940 the Bíró brothers and a friend, Juan Jorge Meyne, moved to Argentina fleeing Nazi Germany and on June 10, filed another patent, and formed Bíró Pens of Argentina. By the summer of 1943 the first commercial models were available.[13] Erasable ballpoint pens were introduced by Papermate in 1979 when the Erasermate was put on the market.[14]

Modern marker pens.

Slavoljub Eduard Penkala, a naturalized Croatian engineer and inventor of Polish-Dutch origin from the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia in Austria-Hungary, became renowned for further development of the mechanical pencil (1906) – then called an "automatic pencil" – and the first solid-ink fountain pen (1907). Collaborating with an entrepreneur by the name of Edmund Moster, he started the Penkala-Moster Company and built a pen-and-pencil factory that was one of the biggest in the world at the time. This company, now called TOZ-Penkala, still exists today. "TOZ" stands for "Tvornica olovaka Zagreb", meaning "Zagreb Pencil Factory".

In the 1960s, the fibre or felt-tipped pen was invented by Yukio Horie of the Tokyo Stationery Company, Japan.[15] Papermate's Flair was among the first felt-tip pens to hit the U.S. market in the 1960s, and it has been the leader ever since. Marker pens and highlighters, both similar to felt pens have become popular in recent times.

Rollerball pens were introduced in the early 1970s. They make use of a mobile ball and liquid ink to produce a smoother line. Technological advances achieved during the late 1980s and early 1990s have improved the roller ball's overall performance. A porous point pen contains a point that is made of some porous material such as felt or ceramic. A high quality drafting pen will usually have a ceramic tip, since this wears well and does not broaden when pressure is applied while writing.

Although the invention of the typewriter and personal computer with the keyboard input method have changed how users write, the pen has not been entirely replaced.[16] Higher end pens including types such as fountain pens are still a status symbol.[17][18]

Manufacturers

United States

Statistics on writing instruments (including pencils and pens) from WIMA (the United States Writing Instrument Manufacturers Association) show that in 2005, retractable ball point pens were by far the most popular in the United States (26%), followed by standard ball point pens (14%). Other categories represented very small fractions (3% or less).[19] There is however also a thriving industry in luxury pens, often fountain pens, sometimes priced at $1000 or more.[20] Pens are also used as advertisements for business entrepreneurs. Companies use pens to advertise their company names to possible customers.

[BaguaKicksAss]

The last post is awfully phallic in nature .

[BaguaKicksAss]

Off-topic works for me. I'm not feeling very enthusiastic about any discussion

about what feminism can do for men, now. But I'm not planning to fight either.

 

Thread split perhaps?

[Marblehead]

Thread split perhaps?

No, please. This is so lovingly beautiful the way it is going.

[Yascra]

It made it to page 11 with no suspensions or bans and not the pit; not even locked!!!!! That is really good for a thread on most topics.

 

Hey, the "women lack consciousness"-Thread did also make it quite far, and also without bans and suspensions, and beginning from page 4 most posts were insultive, and the intention of the whole thread was insultive right from the start; yet, even reports would hardly have brought this thread even to the pit, and suspensions or bans for any members are something that I think still didn't take place.

So obviously this kind of measurement doesn't necessarily tell more than that the topic is not amongst what the mod team considers as having priority or being important in any way.

[Yascra]

And I would have preferred it if people would have actually discussed the question:

"What can feminism do for Men", but that didn't happen.

 

I'm not the one who put the thread in the off topic forum, if that's what you mean.

 

So, do you have any thoughts about what feminism can do for men?

If not, you're off topic. YOU are a derailer.

 

Yes, and intentionally so. I didn't like this topic right from the start, cause right from the start it was clear that this would be an invitation towards people who linger around with an interest to insult and hurt any female member of this board here.

And without some guys who intentionally worked on keeping a balance here, which I'm thankful for, it would just be another sign for females that contribution in such an environment is a stupid waste of time.

Edited June 24, 2014 by Yascra

[Marblehead]

So obviously this kind of measurement doesn't necessarily tell more than that the topic is not amongst what the mod team considers as having priority or being important in any way.

Well, actually, we have kept this thread pretty clean of insults. Sure, we are messing with each other now and then but we have not gone into the gutter.

 

And even with the off-topic post we are still returning to at least a side concept of the opening post.

 

I know, guys hate to think that they have any feminine traits. That's how we were raised by our society.

[Marblehead]

Yes, and intentionally so. I didn't like this topic right from the start, cause right from the start it was clear that this would be an invitation towards people who linger around with an interest to insult and hurt any female member of this board here.

But that hasn't really happened in this thread. Sure, we have compared and contrasted but we've not gotten to the insults which are typical of these kinds of threads.

[Yascra]

But that hasn't really happened in this thread. Sure, we have compared and contrasted but we've not gotten to the insults which are typical of these kinds of threads.

Yes. Thanks to you and thanks to two or three other guys who gave some counterweight.

And thanks to some reactions to reports.

[Marblehead]

Anyhow, a recall of memory:

 

The first time I was stationed in Korea I was shocked to see teenaged boys walking down the street holding hands. No Koreans thought anything of it. It is part of their culture.