Harmonious Emptiness Posted June 30, 2014 If anyone has some favourite passages in the Dao De Jing that inspire thoughts on non-duality, please share the passage an explanation of how this refers to non-duality.    Starting with Name (Chapter 1, line 1)  There can be no name because Dao is both one thing, and everything, so any name would only be one thing or the other. It's either the one thing that brings about everything, or it is everything, and so when we call it "it," we are looking in dualistic terms.  The Dao that can be named Is not the eternal Dao    2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 30, 2014 As soon as we give names we have entered the realm of duality. Â But duality existed the moment One gave birth to Two. Â Chapter 2, Line 1: (Henricks) Â When everyone in the world knows the beautiful as beautiful, ugliness comes into being; 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Merel - Ch.47.1 Â "Without taking a step outdoors You know the whole world; Without taking a peep out the window You know the colour of the sky. The more you experience, The less you know." Â Henricks has that as... Â 1. No need to leave your door to know the whole world; 2. No need to peer through your windows to know the Way of Heaven. 3. The farther you go, the less you know. Â Â That said though, isn't any duality, or lack of it; more 'in' us than ever it is anywhere in the TTC? What is read presumes a reader and each reader makes her or his own meanings in and from any text. Edited June 30, 2014 by GrandmasterP 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 30, 2014 In Merel's we see dualities:  Outdoors vs indoors  Peep out vs knowing   Strange. I just got a "feeling" when reading: The more you experience, the less you know.  It's true, damn it! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) In Merel's we see dualities:  Outdoors vs indoors  Peep out vs knowing   Strange. I just got a "feeling" when reading: The more you experience, the less you know.  It's true, damn it! That's maybe a good thing.In the context of that TTC verse. For example, moving from cognate knowing to 'is-ness' via cultivation. OK that's a dualistic 'before and after' call - on paper - but maybe not so much in practice .... maybe. Edited June 30, 2014 by GrandmasterP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted July 18, 2014 Wouldnt ,even from a vantage of monistic dualism , there be an emotional dualism ,,essentially a preferential emotions based sort as in,, I like this, or, I am repelled by that ?, It seems the same to say this food is tasty ,, as it is to go 'mmmmm' . It is still breaking the world down into polemics -preference and a dualistic regard for stuff. candy good- bunghole bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) But I can nullify many dualities with my useful/useless (to me) mentality. Â (Remember the useless tree?) Edited July 18, 2014 by Marblehead 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted July 19, 2014 Starting with Name (Chapter 1, line 1) Â Starting with the TITLE... Â while the most ancient reference seems to simply be 'Laozi'... The unity of Dao-De eventually came into vogue 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted July 19, 2014 As soon as we give names we have entered the realm of duality. Â But duality existed the moment One gave birth to Two. Â Chapter 2, Line 1: (Henricks) Â When everyone in the world knows the beautiful as beautiful, ugliness comes into being; Â Â I love that part. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Developing the three treasures results in non-duality, IMO. Â (Yutang: Love, Never too Much, Never be the First). Â When this is achieved by removal of personality dross, Oneness is achieved. Giving is everything - as the Universe gives. The principle of 'Giving' is realized by the 'individual' - who no longer sees himself as an individual. He is merely part of the whole. Part of each and every human being's own I Am, whether they're in awareness of it or not. Â To me, this is the ultimate non-duality. To be realized of the fact that we are not separate. Edited July 19, 2014 by manitou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted July 19, 2014 As soon as we give names we have entered the realm of duality. Â But duality existed the moment One gave birth to Two. Â Chapter 2, Line 1: (Henricks) Â When everyone in the world knows the beautiful as beautiful, ugliness comes into being; Â Yes, the whole of chapter two is very much about the unification of opposites, including "non-doing" resulting in/being "doing" such as teaching by not teaching, and obtaining merit by not trying to. Â The counter balance of forces and actions is a common thread made very apparent in the first 15 chapters. Almost every thought therein is saying that nothing is one thing, nothing is what it appears as all things are constantly in flux and causing alternations. Push down on one side and the other side goes up. As though to say "stop thinking with your rational mind - it can never keep up to the immediate reality, the reality of which is that it is always self-alternating, and if you dwell on one side of it, on one appearance of it, you will be further and further from truly knowing it." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 19, 2014 Well, as a Materialist I must try to think logically and rationally about reality as I perceive it. But still, I love to just live spontaneously without even thinking about the "why" of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fizix Posted July 19, 2014 As soon as we give names we have entered the realm of duality. Â But duality existed the moment One gave birth to Two. Â Chapter 2, Line 1: (Henricks) Â When everyone in the world knows the beautiful as beautiful, ugliness comes into being; When everyone in the world comes to know everything as beautiful, what ugliness exists? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 19, 2014 When everyone in the world comes to know everything as beautiful, what ugliness exists? Therein lies the dissolution of dualities. And if we could ignore the subjective valuation of "beautiful" we would have only its true essence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted July 20, 2014 (btw, the beer that can be drank and finished off is not the eternal and everlasting beer) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Well, as a Materialist I must try to think logically and rationally about reality as I perceive it. But still, I love to just live spontaneously without even thinking about the "why" of it. Â I wonder if labeling ourselves as 'ists' of any type restricts our view. It's like ego is riding on a definition. Reinforces duality. Â Something to consider Edited July 20, 2014 by manitou 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 20, 2014 I wonder if labeling ourselves as 'ists' of any type restricts our view. It's like ego is riding on a definition. Reinforces duality. Â Something to consider Yes, I have considered this. And yes, the labels do reinforce my belief systems and I will even suggest (without knowing) that it has put some limits on my thinking. (There are some things, that in my opinion, that are so far off the scale that I won't even consider them.) Â But, on the other hand, it does feed our confidence that we are on the right path when we have no conflict when establishing a new understanding or opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 20, 2014 (btw, the beer that can be drank and finished off is not the eternal and everlasting beer) Hehehe. Wine and hard cider is that way too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
