mental fog

[hagar]

so there isn't a point.

Nop.

 

Not in any conventional way.

 

My experience is that if you are not deeply comitted to the process, better stop before you begin.

If you can´t stop, its best to finish.

[sunchild]

this forum taught me a lot about life. mainly, how meaningless it all is.

 

i wish i had never been born. i don't want to be alive for another day of this.

 

 

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

 

pray that i die soon. wish death upon me.

[marcus2013]

Thanks for your answer!

 

My own path has showed me that there is no way around the hand you are given. Actually, my greatest life lesson after 15 years of daoist practices is this; the problems, chaos, issues and baggage you have in and around your life IS the practice. Do not fall for escapism nor asceticism!

 

That sounds very Gurdjieff

 

Those are also common when you have an experience, and everything you thought was true dissappears.

 

If you think a spiritual experience will evaporate your issues, read "After the extasy, the laundry" by Jack Kornfield.

 

I´ve started to relax around my shortcomings. But before I could do that, I had to be honest.

 

I think that is pretty much what it´s all about; knowing myself instead of trying to feel good, or improve my life.

 

I had an insight the other day regarding that. If you are determined to feel good, healthy, cultivated, whatever ... at the same instant you wish this, you create the opposition. The fear of that not happening, or the fear that you lose it again after you've gained it. You become a slave. Slaves slaves slaves!!!!! What the hell??? That's what we become. "If I don't get rid of this mental fog life is gonna suck". SLAVES.

 

As you say, it's about knowing yourself and loving you exactly as you are, mental fog included.

 

After that, meditation became quite nice. Even if I was in pain.

Edited July 28, 2014 by marcus2013

[Jetsun]

My own path has showed me that there is no way around the hand you are given. Actually, my greatest life lesson after 15 years of daoist practices is this; the problems, chaos, issues and baggage you have in and around your life IS the practice. Do not fall for escapism nor asceticism! Those are also common when you have an experience, and everything you thought was true dissappears.

 

If you think a spiritual experience will evaporate your issues, read "After the extasy, the laundry" by Jack Kornfield.

 

I´ve started to relax around my shortcomings. But before I could do that, I had to be honest.

 

I think that is pretty much what it´s all about; knowing myself instead of trying to feel good, or improve my life.

After that, meditation became quite nice. Even if I was in pain.

 

That has been my lesson also. Our ego wants perfection and for us to be our imaginary ideal self so when we get problems in life and personal issues we do all we can to try to get rid of them. After many years of trying to improve ourselves and make ourselves feel better the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't work, it is just a futile exercise in resisting what exists. Then if we relax around our issues and allow them to be as they are without trying to get rid of them it can be seen that those issues which we previously despised are in fact the exact things which are leading us to reality, to real spiritual life, then we start to feel grateful towards them, everything is completely switched around 180 degrees.

[marcus2013]

That has been my lesson also. Our ego wants perfection and for us to be our imaginary ideal self so when we get problems in life and personal issues we do all we can to try to get rid of them. After many years of trying to improve ourselves and make ourselves feel better the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't work, it is just a futile exercise in resisting what exists. Then if we relax around our issues and allow them to be as they are without trying to get rid of them it can be seen that those issues which we previously despised are in fact the exact things which are leading us to reality, to real spiritual life, then we start to feel grateful towards them, everything is completely switched around 180 degrees.

 

I agree. I am slowly realizing that is true. Very sage words.

 

I recognize it's difficult because there's always the view that "ok, after the suffering and problems, I will emerge as a better person or with renowned energy". No, no, no. That is the heroic view. That isn't accepting, it's fighting. It's descending into the Hades subworld to fight, not to know and love all your being.

Edited July 28, 2014 by marcus2013

[Jetsun]

I agree. I am slowly realizing that is true.

 

I recognize it's difficult because there's always the view that "ok, after the suffering and problems, I will emerge as a better person or with renowned energy". No, no, no. That is the heroic view. That isn't accepting, it's fighting.

 

Yeah, it is very easy to turn all of this into an ego strategy. It's taken me about 10 years and I still forget or lose contact with the truth of it most of the time and end up in old futile patterns of indulging or resisting life, especially when in relationship with other people. Like the Chinese finger trap the more you struggle the more stuck you get

 

Initially when I got into spirituality I thought all the great spiritual masters can conquered all their demons, got rid of all of their problems and mastered all aspects of their being, yet now I see that all the masters did was come into acceptance of all that stuff, stopped indulging in it and stopped resisting it or trying to get rid of it.

 

Coming back to the initial post about mental fog, Bruce Frantzis has whole chapters in some of his books about Mental Fog and dissolving it using his Taoist Water Method Meditation method, he says sometimes such dissociation can come from pre-natal or birth experiences of shock and overwhelming trauma which means you feel you have to leave the nervous system into dissociation from the body to survive. The shamanic might call healing that split Soul Retrieval. I tried the Water Method for similar problem for many months, but for me it didn't work, which is why I think coming into acceptance of it may be the better course than trying to remove it.

[Stosh]

this forum taught me a lot about life. mainly, how meaningless it all is.

 

i wish i had never been born. i don't want to be alive for another day of this.

 

 

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

visualize me dying.

 

 

pray that i die soon. wish death upon me.

I already told you the fix ya idjit.

[C T]

That has been my lesson also. Our ego wants perfection and for us to be our imaginary ideal self so when we get problems in life and personal issues we do all we can to try to get rid of them. After many years of trying to improve ourselves and make ourselves feel better the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't work, it is just a futile exercise in resisting what exists. Then if we relax around our issues and allow them to be as they are without trying to get rid of them it can be seen that those issues which we previously despised are in fact the exact things which are leading us to reality, to real spiritual life, then we start to feel grateful towards them, everything is completely switched around 180 degrees.

But the Buddhist teachings have been saying this all along, but hardly anyone listens.

 

Master Hui Neng epitomises the above by declaring, "Affliction is itself Bodhi!".

[Jetsun]

But the Buddhist teachings have been saying this all along, but hardly anyone listens.

 

Master Hui Neng epitomises the above by declaring, "Affliction is itself Bodhi!".

Yeah, the problem being that unless it is a lived experience worked through over time it becomes just another mind idea or concept. Like Master Nan says most of us invert cause and effect, so we hear a teaching and think we have immediately got it before we have deeply experienced and embodied it in our lives.

[eye_of_the_storm]

SunChild

I am going to make some assumptions here...

Stop eating meat, dairy, grains, alcohol, coffee and masturbation

Eat only fresh fruit, vegetables (as much as you want) and filtered water (3L per day) for 2 weeks ... don't cook the vegetables. Everything fresh.

Become the SunChild and eat only solar foods... + get some sun too and bed early.

Proceed at your own risk

Come back in 2 weeks and tell us if you want to die or not

Edited July 29, 2014 by White Wolf Running On Air

[marcus2013]

Yeah, the problem being that unless it is a lived experience worked through over time it becomes just another mind idea or concept. Like Master Nan says most of us invert cause and effect, so we hear a teaching and think we have immediately got it before we have deeply experienced and embodied it in our lives.

 

Yes, I agree 100% with you. Not only that, it's even worst : once you read/hear the lesson, you get the idea/concept that it HAS to be like that because buddhists have been telling this for hundreds of years, hey, it must be true.

 

Then life goes on and you see yourself not following that teaching at all (not a surprise since you only got the concept, not the embodied insight), and then you start torturing yourself because you must be doing something wrong, because hey, it's been told by the buddhists hundreds of years ago. It's so easy (over the paper or videotape). I should be able to accept things. Why isn't working ?

 

It's dangerous because it can cause a lot of repression. It doesn't work. You have to have your own insights.

 

Please mind I am not referring to a buddhist practice with a master, in the proper place, with the proper guidance, and so on.

 

Plus buddhist is not easy to follow/understand by the western mind.

[marcus2013]

SunChild

 

I am going to make some assumptions here...

 

Stop eating meat, dairy, grains, alcohol, coffee and masturbation

 

Eat only fresh fruit, vegetables (as much as you want) and filtered water (3L per day) for 2 weeks ... don't cook the vegetables. Everything fresh.

 

Become the SunChild and eat only solar foods... + get some sun too and bed early.

 

Proceed at your own risk

 

Come back in 2 weeks and tell us if you want to die or not

 

Where are the proteins going to come from ?

 

Won't that much sugar from fruit be pernicious ?

 

Just asking.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Where are the proteins going to come from ?

 

Won't that much sugar from fruit be pernicious ?

 

Just asking.

 

You don't need to think about protein at all, everything has protein. For breakfast/ lunch today I had 2 oranges and 12 bananas = 18.2 grams of protein in 1 meal.

 

The other week I had a meal of lentils and quinoa = 55 grams of protein in one meal... over the daily recommendation lol.

 

You want natural sugars... most of the population is depressed (and "mind fog") because they are depriving their brains of sugar, the brains primary fuel source is sugars/ carbs etc

 

The high fat/animal protein diet is killing people, making them dull and miserable ... see the BBC doco Sugar V Fat http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mpbt3_bbc-horizon-2014-sugar-v-fat-720p-hdtv-x264-aac-mvgroup-org_news

 

Very important hour ... will dispel a lot of nonsense

 

You want to have color in your life? add fruits and veges

 

You want clarity/ happiness, energy, passion ? ^^^

 

Just look at the below image... the fruit speaks for itself

 

 

Vs

 

 

 

The equation is this

 

Eat Life = Become Life

 

Eat Death = Become Death

 

[marcus2013]

 

You don't need to think about protein at all, everything has protein. For breakfast/ lunch today I had 2 oranges and 12 bananas = 18.2 grams of protein in 1 meal.

 

The other week I had a meal of lentils and quinoa = 55 grams of protein in one meal... over the daily recommendation lol.

 

Lentils and quinoa aren't grains ?

 

What about the omega-3 that is in fish ? Most vegetable oils are high on 6 and 9 AFAIK.

 

 

You want natural sugars... most of the population is depressed (and "mind fog") because they are depriving their brains of sugar, the brains primary fuel source is sugars/ carbs etc

 

The high fat/animal protein diet is killing people, making them dull and miserable ... see the BBC doco Sugar V Fat http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mpbt3_bbc-horizon-2014-sugar-v-fat-720p-hdtv-x264-aac-mvgroup-org_news

 

 

I am not really sure of that, regarding the tremendous ammount of testimonies on internet about people regaining health (energy, clarity of mind, etc) on a paleo diet (high fat/protein, low carbs).

 

Also apparently lots of population have undiagnosed candida, that will grow much worse with the sugar from the fruit.

 

I'm not saying one is better than other. I don't know. I've always done a balanced diet.

 

The problem with diet changes is that if you are doing something wrong there are chances you don't notice the problem before many months/years and then it's gonna be hard to recover.

[bax44]

I feel for you op. and judging by the greatly "uplifting" responses by some of the more advanced practitioners here I think it would behoove anyone to think twice maybe three times before committing to a practice. Idk what's more depressing; your description of your citcumstances or some of the realizations these people come to.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Lentils are a legume, Quinoa is a seed

For 2 weeks is all I am saying, to see what the differences are (clean the system out a little, potentially)

"balanced diet" doesn't mean much

I know of people who have cured candida with a high fruit / vegan diet.

You notice that "lots of the population" already have undiagnosed candida ... lots of the population are practicing a "balanced diet"

lots of the population eat 0 fruit (packed full of goodness)

Edited July 30, 2014 by White Wolf Running On Air

[eye_of_the_storm]

Paleo and Atkins are pretty similar. Atkins was a heart specialist, died of heart disease.

Here is an example of what I am talking about.

[sunchild]

Lentils are a legume, Quinoa is a seed

 

For 2 weeks is all I am saying, to see what the differences are (clean the system out a little, potentially)

 

"balanced diet" doesn't mean much

 

I know of people who have cured candida with a high fruit / vegan diet.

 

You notice that "lots of the population" already have undiagnosed candida ... lots of the population are practicing a "balance diet"

 

lots of the population eat 0 fruit (packed full of goodness)

 

ok. you, sonofthegods and spotless are the smartest humans on here. i'll let you know how it goes.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Best of luck

[Stosh]

Paleo and Atkins are pretty similar. Atkins was a heart specialist, died of heart disease.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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