What exactly IS the law of duality ?

[zerostao]

sure, go ahead.

[Marblehead]

May I go too?

[Dharmakaya]

I would say duality isn't a law, it's the state of perception we're born with. Dualistic view causes us to apply rigid conceptual labels onto the world, such that every-thing seems to exist seperately and inherantly, or of its own accord. In duality, while we may conceptually understand the interrelation of all things, each thing including ourselves seems very much to be seperate and existing on its own.

 

Duality is a falsity imposed onto true reality. In ultimate reality, all is most basically or ultimately one. All is most basically one universal 'substance' (the tao, the void, emptiness). All is the tao, so while there is seeming individual differentiation amoung the parts there can be no true seperateness for each thing, ultimately all is the same.

 

For instance, in the dualistic view, I see a frying pan sitting on top of a stove, in my kitchen, next to the fridge, out side the window is the sky and some plants, some construction noise. There seem to be many seperate things going on here. Ultimately though, none of these things are seperable from the greater situation. While I can imagine my frying pan to exist as a seperate independant object, it is ultimately not seperable from the greater scene. It's only true existance is right now, always, and thus its existance is dependant on everything else that also exists or occurs.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Dharmakaya

[TaoMaster]

I would say duality isn't a law, it's the state of perception we're born with. Dualistic view causes us to apply rigid conceptual labels onto the world, such that every-thing seems to exist seperately and inherantly, or of its own accord. In duality, while we may conceptually understand the interrelation of all things, each thing including ourselves seems very much to be seperate and existing on its own.

 

Duality is a falsity imposed onto true reality. In ultimate reality, all is most basically or ultimately one. All is most basically one universal 'substance' (the tao, the void, emptiness). All is the tao, so while there is seeming individual differentiation amoung the parts there can be no true seperateness for each thing, ultimately all is the same.

 

For instance, in the dualistic view, I see a frying pan sitting on top of a stove, in my kitchen, next to the fridge, out side the window is the sky and some plants, some construction noise. There seem to be many seperate things going on here. Ultimately though, none of these things are seperable from the greater situation. While I can imagine my frying pan to exist as a seperate independant object, it is ultimately not seperable from the greater scene. It's only true existance is right now, always, and thus its existance is dependant on everything else that also exists or occurs.

thanks for your reply and coments.

 

Duality is actually a single item with two poles. so its given the name duality its REALilty x 2......... Duality .

 

however without duality no thing would exist . nothing.

 

when you consider future and past as a single item , there is just time all at once and can be seen from start to finish all at once.

 

if you hit a ping pong ball over the net called present time, it gets opposed by your opponent who hits it back and this generates persistence. Persistence is the physical universe we live in with physical bodies , car trains boats planets fish etc .

 

if there were no opponet, no opposite, no opposition the server of the ping png ball would simply hit the ball over the net and no thing would persist. its over and done with and gone forever .

 

this is how this thread continues to gain mass in the form of posts. Theres opposition to my posts and i hit the posts back then im opposed , then i hit back over and over .

 

The Robin Williams thread has no opposition and it ends fast . Same with my thread called what is love . No opposition and very little mass in the form of posts.

 

there are posters on this thread who just wont have or accetpt what i say and are completely opposed to my point of view about life and the unieverse.

 

anyone can ignore them if they want using the software on this website or simply not read what they say .

 

I consider the law of duality the basic law of the whole universe and ive proved it to myself over and over again .

 

if others choosed to ignore it thats a choice they make and im ok with that either way .

 

Intelegence is the ability to notice differences between a single or more objects in the universe.

 

the yang yin symbol, while it apears to be a simgle item is actually two items Yang white and black yin . But in reality they do not touch and have no relation to each other with the exception that they are both in the same universe at the same time.

 

one without the other brings about vanishment or in other words no thing , nothing.

 

anyone can solve the mysteries of the universe and how it all began, whos running the show and how it all ends. Its so simple , most will refuse to know it and continue with the complexity that generates persistence.

[spatha]

The Dao produced One; One produced Two; Two produced Three; Three produced WanWu.

The law of Triality.

[TaoMaster]

The Dao produced One; One produced Two; Two produced Three; Three produced WanWu.The law of Triality.

 

I like this , thx for the comment .real life example please ? If we can't apply this to our every day lives then it's not of much use but if we can then it is.

 

I'm not doubting your comments but to help me understand what your saying , I need some context in manner that demonstrates it in an objective way ( smile )

[Silent Answers]

The Dao produced One; One produced Two; Two produced Three; Three produced WanWu.

The law of Triality.

The third being reality itself?

[TaoMaster]

There is one and then there is two.

 

Yes true. One comes first it's yang and then two it's yin .

 

These are the basics of all things in the universe. There can not be 2 without 1 first ,

 

The simplicity of this has an aesthetic value as well .

 

Thank you for your comment ( smile ) pickledpadma. It's very refreshing to read your post . Very nice .

[TaoMaster]

Hi TM,

 

All the dualities you have written, as I see, are but different sides to the same coin. And then becomes clear that they are dynamic processes, and these dynamics are Tao. Dynamics is what makes our universe and life and communication, and all those myriads of wonderful things possible. There is no life without the Tao.

 

Nevertheless I still keep saying that's not where it ends, or rather begins.

 

Can you go into what you define as a dynamic? : )

 

Thx for your comments

[TaoMaster]

Kelvins are units that measure temperature .

 

hot and cold. Cold is yin and its a lie . There is only heat or the absence of heat. or yang and the absence of yang , called yin .

 

Yang will not exist without yin .

 

Scientists and Nobel prize winners have managed to get temperature down to -1nano kelvin or a billionth of a degree using the

Bose–Einstein condensate

-1nanokelvin is just above absolute zero or one billionth of a degree. but guess what . ?

 

No matter what they do or how hard they try and they don't know why , They cant get it to zero. They have the tools to get it there without a fuss. but no, YIN says no.

 

WHY ?

 

all temperature in the universe will vanish .

 

Imagine that. I know something they don't and they have teams of scientists and billions of dollars to make machinery and pay staff to get to temperature zero.

 

The scientists say that they have the technology to do it but it stops at -1nanokelvin.

 

Another yin attribute of yin is stop and that's exactly what happens. It stops at -1nanokelvin.

 

-1nanokelvin compared to the temperature and vacuum of outer space make outer space seem like a desert oasis on a hot summers day when compared....... its that cold.

 

With hot and cold or " temperature " there is no cold. its all heat. To get the temperature to zero they remove heat like the air conditioner of any home or office building. You don't add coldness to a room , you remove heat from the room. Heats puts temperature there and yin removes the heat .

 

Yang puts it there and yin is the negative that removes or subtracts or takes away from ANYTHING in the universe.

 

there is no good and bad , just good and less good.

 

there is not hot, just hot and less hot Yang and less yang respectively.

 

reference link click here

 

so yang and yin are in fact very scientific. Very predictable when you understand it

 

there is only truth and less truth but less truth is also known as a lie.

 

BOTH the lie and the truth like temperature are one in the same item . When the yin of yang yin is removed , yang will vanish . it goes to absolute zero. or no thing.

 

reality and illusion are both real but the illusion is less real like kelvins are to temperature.

 

reference that confirms this click this

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TaoMaster]

if every thing and every one is there because you put them there. ( including me ) and every one and every thing is there because I put them there ( including you ) then spiritually we are the same spiritual life being that created every one and every thing in universe.

 

+Taomaster

 

December 21 2014

[kio]

Yes true. One comes first it's yang and then two it's yin .

I have seen differently. First there is One. One recognizes Itself, and the act of recognzing Itself is what creates Two -- the attention One gives inwards is Yin, while what it sees is Yang moving out of Itself to meet the gaze.

 

Now that there is Two and One Thing, there is Three. Because there are Three, there is manifestation.

Edited December 22, 2014 by kio

[TaoMaster]

I have seen differently. First there is One. One recognizes Itself, and the act of recognzing Itself is what creates Two -- the attention One gives inwards is Yin, while what it sees is Yang moving out of Itself to meet the gaze.

 

Now that there is Two and One Thing, there is Three. Because there are Three, there is manifestation.

 

attention like an electric field for example

 

yin is always a negative and yang the positive

 

Yang is outward and expressive while yin is directed inwards and is inexpressive or introverted, meaning inward .

 

Yang+ always comes 1st and yin- 2nd ALWAYS

 

this is duality in its most basic terms. Its a universe law from which ALL laws including " j "walking or littering or driving a car too fast, running a stop sign or punching your school teacher in the nose, ARE DERIVED.

 

it all starts with Yang.

 

all true law on this planet no matter how trivial are YIN and there is no exception to this .

 

Laws that permit are not true laws.

 

Laws ONLY restrict , an action . They do not permit some thing in some way .

 

Yang wants to go out while the law of yin says no way pal , you're not going anywhere buddy .

 

its not possible to have yin- without the yang+ 1st and there is no exception to that

 

thanks for your comment

Edited December 22, 2014 by TaoMaster

[kio]

its not possible to have yin- without the yang+ 1st and there is no exception to that

I see this is a fundamental premise for you, but the Principles in Nature don't interact like this. If yang were to exist first, how would involution occur (involution is how Everything developed and grows)? How would matter collect, condense, and fix together? How would the vacuum of space exist?

 

If Yang came first, Everything would have Yang at its center, and Everything would move outwards. This is clearly not the case in Nature.

 

Yang develops inside of Yin, there for Yin develops Yang. The Egg develops the Sperm (toward Unity).

 

But before Yin and Yang, there is Primordial Unity, which is only the possibility-to-become both yin and yang.

 

What came first isn't the appropriate way to look at it, they arise at the exact same time

Edited December 22, 2014 by kio

[ChiDragon]

Light come before the shadow. Light is Yang and shadow is Yin. This is where the concept of Yin-yang was originated. If we go from here, then, there would be no doubt what comes first.

[Brian]

"Shadow" requires something exist to block light. Both might be considered "darkness" but "shadow" is not the same as "absence of light."

[ChiDragon]

"Shadow" requires something exist to block light. Both might be considered "darkness" but "shadow" is not the same as "absence of light."

So, may we consider that darkness is an invisible shadow within a block shadow. E.g. In side a dark room we see the shadows of the four wall. Thus that is why we call it darkness. Another example, at night is completely darkness, but we are only in the dark side of earth which may be considered to be the shadow of earth on earth itself.

 

If the light was blocked, isn't it shadow is the absence of light with respect with one side of the object...???

Edited December 22, 2014 by ChiDragon

[Brian]

Shadow is an absence of light but absence of light is not a shadow. An apple is a fruit but a fruit is not an apple.

 

Nonexistence of light is not blocked light.

[kio]

Light come before the shadow. Light is Yang and shadow is Yin. This is where the concept of Yin-yang was originated. If we go from here, then, there would be no doubt what comes first.

I see Light as being both Yin and Yang. For anything to exist it must have two properties - a Force (Yang), and a Form (Yin). The Form of Light is what is seen, the Force of that Form is the rate of vibration, or the color.

 

It is common to say, that is a very intense Red, or, a dull Grey. This describes the Force of the color's Form.

 

Shadow is also Yin and Yang. Its Form is what is seen, and its force is the rate of vibration - which is relative to the amount of Light in the surrounding environment. During the day, the Shadow's rate of vibration is lessened, during the night it is amplified.

 

One of these is more Yin or more Yang, but there will not be any created thing that isn't both Yin and Yang. And thus, the Law of Duality.

Edited December 22, 2014 by kio

[ChiDragon]

Light come before the shadow. Light is Yang and shadow is Yin. This is where the concept of Yin-yang was originated. If we go from here, then, there would be no doubt what comes first.

Sorry, my bad. Let me rephrase it.

 

Sunlight comes before the shadow of the hill. Sunlight is Yang and shadow (of the hill) is Yin. This is where the concept of Yin-yang was originated. If we go from here, then, there would be no doubt which comes first.

[Brian]

You start from the assumption that light preceded the absence of light and then use that assumption to claim to have proved the conclusion that light preceded the absence of light. First, that's circular logic and, second, I don't accept the assumption as a given.

[Marblehead]

I'm pretty sure there was darkness before stars were born.

[ChiDragon]

You start from the assumption that light preceded the absence of light and then use that assumption to claim to have proved the conclusion that light preceded the absence of light. First, that's circular logic and, second, I don't accept the assumption as a given.

You are a physicist but I am not. I am only an observer of nature followed by my existence in the mature stage.

[TaoMaster]

I see this is a fundamental premise for you, but the Principles in Nature don't interact like this. If yang were to exist first, how would involution occur (involution is how Everything developed and grows)? How would matter collect, condense, and fix together? How would the vacuum of space exist?

 

If Yang came first, Everything would have Yang at its center, and Everything would move outwards. This is clearly not the case in Nature.

 

Yang develops inside of Yin, there for Yin develops Yang. The Egg develops the Sperm (toward Unity).

 

But before Yin and Yang, there is Primordial Unity, which is only the possibility-to-become both yin and yang.

 

What came first isn't the appropriate way to look at it, they arise at the exact same time

 

 

Yang is first and is met with yin after . Its can me almost instantaneous and go undetectable .

 

Knowing which is yang and which is yin facilitates understanding

 

Hence the purpose for my meditation exercise.

 

light is a good example . Its yang . Before you can have a shadow or darkness there must first be yang+

 

Contrary to modern " beliefs" meaning "trust " There was not darkness everywhere and then light . Its backwards. There was only light and then darkness - ( yin )

 

before light , There was neither light nor dark . NO THINGS.

 

Living in a body surrounded by mater energy sensations etc not to mention semi incorrect educations for ones whole life like I have and you too . It just seems so wrong.

 

No need to ask how I know . That's not what the thread is about .

 

You need to go outside the box so to speak and take a look for yourself . Then you can come back and tell ME whats whats.

 

If the truth+ is yang+ and the lie- is yin-, You can not lie about the truth until the truth presents itself 1st.

 

All centers are between yang and yin . They are generators while in opposition to one another.

 

Life ( as in the creator of all things ) is not yang or yin or anything physical . It has no wavelenth, mass, energy, space or specific location in time or space.

 

I like to look at life or surround it with all the yang attributes. and call that life . Life is good so I classify it with all the other yang attributes. But it needs opposition to keep the good from turning into pure light and no thing else.

 

Since light is the first creation that I know of , it needs darkness to be something other than just light. So darkness or ( yin ) is brought into existence.

 

This is the law of duality and yang and yin .

 

As far as you chicken egg analogy ? Its best if you sort that out . It may take some time but the chicken came first in the form of a single cell surrounded my space Yang and yin respectively and from there it evolved into the life forms we see around us today .

 

The space vacuum is yin and the sun is yang .

 

The sun came first and then the space around it .

 

how do I know ? yang always comes first

 

when you do the exercise , yang and yin will become more and more apparent but like I said one must first understand which is which .

 

a black hole is yin. its dark and it draws light inward . Yang goes outward.

 

The sun shines light outward and the vacuum around it pushes in on it 360 degrees. Like when a baby sucks on a baby's pacifier So cute.

[TaoMaster]

I'm pretty sure there was darkness before stars were born.

I was too, ( pretty sure ) so you are not alone .

 

If you suddenly appeared 2 inches from the sun with a heat shield suit on , there would be no darkness, only light .

 

You'd go blind but that's not my point .

 

it can happen very fast light then dark .

 

The future comes before the past too but that's a different subject. Most consider the future not having arrived yet .

 

this is another example of how you cant just casually walk up and say hey the sun came first and then the space and darkness around it . people will be like ..... Dude !!! um you are completely insane bro . go get a life huh ?

 

You cant see total blackness any more than you can see total light . THEY MUST be seen together . Its a legal matter known as The law of duality

 

 

Yin is the law , it prevents Yang . You simple can not prevent a thing unles the thing is first there to prevent.

 

 

Peace !!