Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted August 2, 2014 No, im pretty sure she is the only piece(s) and was born that way I do Love Loki; father of Hel, Jormungandr, and Fenrisulfer, as well as mother of Sleipnir! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spotless Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) Hell is the brutish state that is here all about us in the extremes within humanity. It is a state of little light because the light is extinguished in the "righteousness" of those within it. Each in belief that theirs is the only way or no way. It is the state of no way. It is the state of I am right and you are wrong. It is the state of political extremes - of any "side". It is the state of "your a fucking idiot". It is the state in which nothing grows and anyone's gain is someone's loss. It is the place where the kind is a fool and the takers take and the victims wallow in shame. It is base unfettered subjugation of all the life extinguishing proclivities. It is a stepping point for most of us. Edited August 2, 2014 by Spotless 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spotless Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) The hell I speak of is the same hell that is not of these bodies. The religious version is that place where these proclivities rein not on this earthly plane. Here on earth it is all intermixed within the big sleep and the un bounding consciousness. On other planes these proclivities are not tolerated - they are isolated by vibration and clay. There is no difference between the murderer and the decisive ass and the thief and the hoarder and the scum and the trickster. No difference between them and the preacher that teaches hell and brim fire or the fool on the podium of atheism ranting dead thoughts.there is no difference between them an anyone mesmerized by the buzz that is them, the helpless and innocent lay among them. The time spent there is in accordance with the obstinacy of ones proclivities. One can meet these here on Earth and settle with them or meet them there before going forward but met they must be. This is karma as long as we wish to be underneath the wheel - it is our choice. Edited August 2, 2014 by Spotless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soaring crane Posted August 2, 2014 Ironically, the German word 'hell' means 'light' (opposite of dark. 'Light' as in the opposite of heavy is 'leicht'). I wonder if there's any correlation to the English 'hell'? German hell is 'Hölle' which sounds very similar when spoken. It's like going into the light = going to hell ... weird, never thought of that before. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted August 2, 2014 Food for thought. “What is hell? Hell is oneself. Hell is alone, the other figures in it Merely projections. There is nothing to escape from And nothing to escape to. One is always alone.”T.S. Eliot 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 2, 2014 It's like going into the light = going to hell ... weird, never thought of that before. And I suggest that you stop thinking of it that way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gentlewind Posted August 2, 2014 Just remembered that the Bahai Faith has something to say about heaven and hell, and in a nutshell they are merely emotional states - and many of us have been to both places! http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-154.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 2, 2014 Just remembered that the Bahai Faith has something to say about heaven and hell, and in a nutshell they are merely emotional states - and many of us have been to both places! http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-154.html Yep. Taoism is very similar to that. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soaring crane Posted August 2, 2014 Food for thought. “What is hell? Hell is oneself.Hell is alone, the other figures in it Merely projections. There is nothing to escape from And nothing to escape to. One is always alone.” T.S. Eliot Eliot is a Smörgåsbord This is the dead land This is cactus land Here the stone images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a dead man’s hand Under the twinkle of a fading star. Is it like this In death’s other kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with tenderness Lips that would kiss Form prayers to broken stone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted August 2, 2014 Ironically, the German word 'hell' means 'light' (opposite of dark. 'Light' as in the opposite of heavy is 'leicht'). I wonder if there's any correlation to the English 'hell'? German hell is 'Hölle' which sounds very similar when spoken. It's like going into the light = going to hell ... weird, never thought of that before. Life is hell, going into the light is birth. (from the perspective of the infant, of course) NO, DONT GO INTO THE LIGHT! INSTEAD, FIND THE TRUTH! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gentlewind Posted August 2, 2014 tongue in cheek comment: the newborn baby screaming his/her lungs out is the realization that he/she has arrived in hell Many years ago I had some very good Bahai friends, and they were a tower of strength when things where 'hellish' !!! But I could not settle into the Bahai Faith, I've tried a few religions over the years but came to the conclusion that I am not suited to rituals and dogma!!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soaring crane Posted August 2, 2014 I've tried a few religions over the years but came to the conclusion that I am not suited to rituals and dogma!!! Welcome to Dao :-) you've got an awesome AV, btw. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) NO, DONT GO INTO THE LIGHT! INSTEAD, FIND THE TRUTH! But the truth is in the light, not in the darkness. Illusions and delusions live in the darkness. How else can one get enlightened if one does not go into the light? Edited August 2, 2014 by Marblehead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) Light and Shade. Ya gotta have both. There can be some powerful lessons learnt in dark times. Edited August 2, 2014 by GrandmasterP 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted August 2, 2014 But the truth is in the light, not in the darkness. Illusions and delusions live in the darkness. How else can one get enlightened if one does not go into the light? Therein lies the cryptic truth; that light is an illusion (as so much is, too, shadow) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 3, 2014 Hehehe. Truth. Where can it be found? Not in our mind, that's for sure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Taxes are too high! Aint that the truth. Edited August 3, 2014 by GrandmasterP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 3, 2014 Taxes are too high! Aint that the truth. But if you are one of those who is getting the revenue from the taxes then it is likely that the taxes are not high enough. And that's the truth too. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Hehehe. Truth. Where can it be found? Not in our mind, that's for sure. Thats a really good quirky question , to say its findable we'd need to determine what finding is, but ,, Im thinking that all 'finding' perhaps requires , 1 the thoughts of things not being as one might want , ( having dissatisfaction , untruth ,need etc) 2 the thoughts of things now being as one would want (not having dissatisfaction , untruth ,need etc) Effort may or may not be required to 'find' things right? Borrowing the perspective of the Tao itself , if it had perspective, That which is , is , right? That which is not , is not right? Thats all there is and all that is not. right? ( Tao cant make a mistake or have an illusion ,don't you agree? ) So There is no , ..'well somewhat it is , and perhaps a bit of it isnt..' Nor is there any , 'things should be this other way but arent' All things always ARE .( at least somewhere ! ) So no 'finding' happens from the perspective of Tao. You and I on the other hand , can or do- have some self -preserving need , want , untruth ,injustice etc in our mind. So any finding that may be done must be done by us , in our mind. any holes in that? Edited August 4, 2014 by Stosh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 3, 2014 WoW! Too many bats! Yes, what is, is and what isn't, isn't but may become some 'what is'. Yes, our mind exists but it plays tricks on us. Perhaps Tao likes a laugh now and again. And I would agree with this: Tao cant make a mistake or have an illusion ,don't you agree? Is there such a things as seeing from the perspective on "no mind"? I think there is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted August 3, 2014 But if you are one of those who is getting the revenue from the taxes then it is likely that the taxes are not high enough. And that's the truth too. Yep... Light n Shade again. Those tax dudes are shady coves and no mistake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 4, 2014 WoW! Too many bats! Yes, what is, is and what isn't, isn't but may become some 'what is'. Yes, our mind exists but it plays tricks on us. Perhaps Tao likes a laugh now and again. And I would agree with this: Tao cant make a mistake or have an illusion ,don't you agree? Is there such a things as seeing from the perspective on "no mind"? I think there is. yes ... a camera has that ... just sitting there by itself. But what exactly is 'no mind' ? Not sure ... but I 'think' I know what no mind isnt. No mind isnt no mind, no mind is the absence of what should not be mind. No mind is the way mind 'should' work ('original mind' ) . No mind is not having the mind where it should not be. It shouldn't be first in the psychological hierarchy .... thats the problem ...thinking our mind is running us ... we keep putting it up on that pedestal - of course, it cant deal with it, nor is it supposed to. So then it comes up with all these tricks to try and maintain its undeserved position. A bit like a politician. 'If you dont put your mind anywhere it will pervade your whole body ... it is the warp that we disdain ... If you dont think of where to put it, the mind pervades the whole being. Placing the mind nowhere, employ your attention to each situation as it happens, according to what opponents do." - Takuan. The fixated mind is what the warrior is to abandon. if you have trouble with your mind 'throw it out' ( like the politician; from its position ... I am not advocating political assassination .... well, not until we have someone better and a better system to replace them with ). " To think you will not think Is also thinking of something, Will you resolve not to think Even of not thinking? " - Old proverb. 'We should enliven the mind without dwelling on anything.' - Doesnt some old scripture say that ? No mind does not mean 'dont have a mind' , or that mind is insignificant or negligible but rather that is malleable, and workable. "Shosan makes it clear that realisation of emptiness is not the goal of Zen, but the means by which to eliminate biased views and undesirable psychological complexes rooted in deceptions about the nature of reality." - quotes from Thomas Cleary's ' The Japanese Art of War.' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 4, 2014 Nice response. But I have no idea where to go with it as I agree with what you have presented. But I will say that what you spoke of is why I practice "empty-minded" meditation. With a little luck some of it will rub off into my conscious living. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted August 4, 2014 Is no mind then a medatative thing , or is it a wordless ( un artifact ed , genuine )? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) It's aspirational. The mind is always there chattering away. Learning how to deal with that pays dividends. Edited August 4, 2014 by GrandmasterP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
