opendao Posted February 3, 2015 Are yingui sexually related only or they are related to all yin activities? Do you mention dazuo in relation with this aspect? No, dazuo is mentioned in books as the practice the monks used, but that practice didn't help them to resist yingui. Yingui are related to stealing yuan jing through dreams (usually sexual dreams, but can be different). Actually, not only through dreams, it can happen in a daily activity and can be non-related to sex. For example, it did happen through an aggressive human behaviour (face to face). In the book Cultivating Perfection by Komjathy again, are cited several fragments about shuimo and yingui (from Wang's Chongyang Jinguan yusuo jue, for instance and a Commentary to Zhang's Boduan Jiutian shegshenzhangjing), and shows that they can provoke shen leakage, is for that reason (and that of the first question) that neidan opposes to lucid dreaming practices? lucid dreaming are usually just illusions that lead to yuan jing depletion (by means of fantasies / impurities of the person). If they are not illusions, then they can injury the sanbao-treasures (by means of shuimo). If yinshen exits the body (for real, not as it's usually described) then yingui can occupy the _physical_ body. That's really bad... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damdao Posted February 3, 2015 Thank you so much! Very interesting indeed. No, dazuo is mentioned in books as the practice the monks used, but that practice didn't help them to resist yingui. Yingui are related to stealing yuan jing through dreams (usually sexual dreams, but can be different). Actually, not only through dreams, it can happen in a daily activity and can be non-related to sex. For example, it did happen through an aggressive human behaviour (face to face). lucid dreaming are usually just illusions that lead to yuan jing depletion (by means of fantasies / impurities of the person). If they are not illusions, then they can injury the sanbao-treasures (by means of shuimo). If yinshen exits the body (for real, not as it's usually described) then yingui can occupy the _physical_ body. That's really bad... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opendao Posted February 3, 2015 I wonder. When I was sleeping (I fell asleep after meditating for a while at night), I had a bizarre dream where there was an extremely pale androgynous sort of creature with peculiarly blue/green eyes and white hair and it was trying to attach itself to me/enter my head. I ended up resisting in the dream; I had a sort of empathic experience of flattened sadness/forlornness as I pulled away from it. Then I woke up with a sort of fuzzy feeling on the crown of my head and a shadow of the feeling from the dream. Is that kind of like what you were talking about? --I haven't had a dream like that in a long time (and I'm kind of glad) but it makes me wonder. yes, we're talking about such things. Even if it is an illusion, it's a signal to change the practice or to look for an advise / help of a teacher. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damdao Posted February 6, 2015 Allow me a couple of questions about yingui and shuimo. When you spoke about the damage produced because of the movement of the yuanqi but with its origin only in the student's impurities, are these impurities related to yingui/shuimo too? Is the work of purification (in this respect) twofold, that is, moral purification -via neidan cultivation- and get rid of yingui/shuimo? Are yingui/shuimo related to imagination, fantasies and similar activities (in addition to the already mentioned in earlier posts)? Thanks in advance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opendao Posted February 6, 2015 When you spoke about the damage produced because of the movement of the yuanqi but with its origin only in the student's impurities, are these impurities related to yingui/shuimo too? Impurities are results of a student's impure life. Is the work of purification (in this respect) twofold, that is, moral purification -via neidan cultivation- and get rid of yingui/shuimo? Yes, it's an important part to save the results of neidan cultivation by preventing yingui. Moral purification also helps. Are yingui/shuimo related to imagination, fantasies and similar activities (in addition to the already mentioned in earlier posts)? it's possible, but rarely. People live in illusions, created by themselves. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yae Posted February 27, 2015 I read something about how ming practice improves xing practice by (I don't remember this part clearly-) creating an energetic state within the body that facilitates a constant awareness of the truths that the textual etc study of xing seeks to clarify. ('xing can be understood through books, ming can not') Qigong Masters Chunyi Lin & Jim Nance have spoken about how important it is to always, always try to be as loving as you can possibly be in any given situation. The meaning of that could take on a lot of dimensions; giving guidance to a student, exercising to take care of yourself, and even not trying too hard to be loving because that could stress you out... Even Jim Nance still has trouble maintaining the pure loving and accepting mental state as often as he'd like to. I wonder, would the effect of ming practice on the xing state transform this difficulty as well? And if so, how could any practice seeking to master xing ever ignore ming? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opendao Posted February 27, 2015 I read something about how ming practice improves xing practice by (I don't remember this part clearly-) creating an energetic state within the body that facilitates a constant awareness of the truths that the textual etc study of xing seeks to clarify. .... I wonder, would the effect of ming practice on the xing state transform this difficulty as well? And if so, how could any practice seeking to master xing ever ignore ming? Ming is like fuel. It can be used for good or not, but without fuel it's hard to overcome profane. That's why ancient saying is: "cultivating Xing without cultivating Ming is a main mistake in practice". Some teachers ignore Ming because they know nothing about it, but some are afraid of it... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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voidisyinyang Posted February 28, 2015 I read something about how ming practice improves xing practice by (I don't remember this part clearly-) creating an energetic state within the body that facilitates a constant awareness of the truths that the textual etc study of xing seeks to clarify. ('xing can be understood through books, ming can not') Qigong Masters Chunyi Lin & Jim Nance have spoken about how important it is to always, always try to be as loving as you can possibly be in any given situation. The meaning of that could take on a lot of dimensions; giving guidance to a student, exercising to take care of yourself, and even not trying too hard to be loving because that could stress you out... Even Jim Nance still has trouble maintaining the pure loving and accepting mental state as often as he'd like to. I wonder, would the effect of ming practice on the xing state transform this difficulty as well? And if so, how could any practice seeking to master xing ever ignore ming? Bluemind - Jim said that Chunyi is always in the place of having a deep heart opening with unconditional love energy flowing through but for Jim he said he achieves this only about once a month. But when Chunyi refers to "unconditional love" he's really taking about the yuan qi or yang qi energy whereas romantic love is still yin chi energy. So actually to create and build up unconditional love is not so easy but Chunyi says to first build up the foundation in the lower tan tien. So for example Chunyi said how his heart stopped beating for 2 hours and then after that he said people said his healing energy was stronger. So he doesn't recommend that, of course, but that's what happened to him - he was walking around just fine even though he heart had stopped beating for 2 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ormus Posted May 22, 2015 Dear all, this tread is realy interesting. I think that Opendao give realy good advise and more precise to the point in relation of Building of Foundations.In this regard I think the best text are those of Master Zhang Boduan and Nanzong Pai as it are focused on Ming as important first step. Relating to Yin Gui,what you advise how we can remove them?They look as Incubi and Succubi and Larvae who attach on Aura but also if someone is ill can enter as walk-in. Can Thunder Magic rituals help or using Talismans and Matras? All the best, Ormus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
