[Neidan] The Journal of a Taoist Practicioner

[Andrei]

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Mr. Cheng, male, from Busan , Korea. The followings are excerpt from his practice diaries.

 

I have always liked Duke Zhou (周公) since I was a child, therefore when I was in the fourth grade, I borrowed the Confucius classics, Four Books and Five Classics (四书五经), from an old gentleman in my neighborhood. The old gentleman was a Confucius scholar, I studied from him and due to his influence, I started to develop a deep passion for traditional Chinese culture. I did not follow my father’s expectation and entered a Buddhist University instead, then, I began cultivation.

The Buddha said, “all is created from the heart”, I thought then where do our hearts come from. This was the question I have been pondering on. After meditating on it for 9 months, the following was my conclusion:

心心本是空，莫问何处生。
夜月照天地，寒风摇竹林。

(Roughly: Hearts are originally empty, do not ask where they are from. The moon shines on the ground, the cold wind shakes the bamboo forest.)

 

Beginning in 1991, I was the Abbot of two thousand-year-old temple in Korea (Guangde temple and Duoshuai temple), even though I came to China to study, my positions were held for me until 2009. When I was an Abbot, I always had this empty feeling about my lack of real achievement as a cultivator, so in order to search for the great Dao, I decided to come to China. I didn’t find any high level teachers nor any suitable methods however, so I entered the Shandong Traditional Chinese Medicine University to study TCM. 5 years of undergraduate, 3 years of Master and another 3 years for doctorate. Then I entered another doctoral program at Shandong University to study Pre-Qin dynasty literature.

I wanted to write a thesis on “the link between Man and Heaven and Earth”, among the relevant literatures there are “Zhou YI Can Tong Qi”, “Ling Bao Bi Fa”, “Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji” and “Wu Zhen Pian”, after reading them I realized that if I don’t know Dandao, I could not appreciate the Chinese Culture and Chinese Medicine at a profound level. Motivated by this, I began to search for people who has this transmission, I managed to meet the author of “Notebook on Internal Viewing and Observation” (内证观察笔记), he recommended “Opening the Dragongate” (Da Dao Xing) and “Walk on the Great Path” (Xing Da Dao). I was extremely excited after I finished both books, and with his introduction I was able to meet Mr. Shen Zhigang.

 

From April 9th to April 19th, I went to Lanzhou and studied with Shen laoshi for 10 days.

Shen laoshi taught me the core materials of internal alchemy, setting up the stove and installing the cauldron and the gathering of internal medicine. I had quite an experience only after a few days. I have studied Chan Buddhism for more than 20 years but I have never understand completely what the Buddha meant by “micro white brightness”, I can only interpret it superficially but I had never had actual experience of it. After coming to Lanzhou for three days, I have experienced “micro white brightness” and there is a series of transformations in my body too. I could feel the vibrations in my organs when I worked on the five elements. I was happy, excited and energized every day. I couldn’t even fall asleep for a few nights.

Learning dandao has filled the empty part of my heart. After the 10-day class, I left the following poem in my notebook:

炼三宝，贵在呼吸；
修内丹，全凭口传。
世面言丹法，皆是口头禅；
明师引入门，无非真实法。

寻大道之颂
——4月26日炼安神祖窍后而作

大道本无言，无名而无形。
若无借言说，不能显大道。
昔伏羲作易，后昆晓乾坤。
老子著经也，全彰道与德。
二圣明根源，兹以知还本。
人皆有性命，由此修大道。
魏老人撰书，凭易参同契。
丹道据天道，有钟吕传道。
灭邪小儒骇，传世为真宝。
谁知长生药，只在自身中。

 

As instructed by Shen laoshi, I continued to practice everyday for a month. Then I came to Lanzhou again on 9th May 2011 to continue my study of authentic internal alchemy.

Shen laoshi furthered my study by systematically instructed me on the crucial steps of internal alchemy (Set up the stove and install the cauldron, internal medicine, external medicine, fusion of elixir and channel SHO).

 

20th:

Morning and evening, we practiced enhanced method of gathering internal medicine, no reaction in my organs.

 

21st:
Morning : Continued enhanced gathering of medicine, no reaction.
Evening: Continued enhanced gathering of medicine, organs began to vibrate and got stronger and stronger.

22nd
Morning: Continued enhanced gathering of internal medicine, organs continued to vibrate strongly and I almost lost control. With the guidance of the teacher I was able to take control again.
Evening: Same as in the morning, after tuning my body position, I was able to control myself nicely.

 

23rd
Morning: Use the first method of Ling Bao Bi Fa to practice the three-universe breathing and lower field, I could actually feel the stove and cauldron in “Set up the Stove and Install the cauldron”, very interesting and wondrous feelings.
Evening: Began to gather the external medicine, I could see the spirit light going down to my lower field.

 

24th
Morning: Practiced gathering of external medicine. I could see the spirit light but found it hard to condense them.
Afternoon: We packed out stuff and headed off to Mount Xing Long.
I had read the annontation of the Wu Zhen Pian by Liu Yiming and now I could come to the place where he cultivated, I had a deep respect for this place.

25th
Morning: Enhanced method to gather the internal medicine, I could see the colors and their changes inside my organs.
Afternoon: Continued enhanced gathering of internal medicine. Not only was I able to see the changes of the colors inside my organs, the outside bodily vibrations caused by the internal organs' vibration is calming down and getting into my internal body. The high frequency vibrations of my organs gave rise to a feeling that are interesting, calming and comforting, very special.
Evening: Practiced Ping Heng Gong, I worked on a thousand-year-old giant pine tree. I could smell the fresh pine scent which permeated my entire body. This was my first contact with this divine tree and already I had this wondering feeling. I was very excited.

 

26th
Early Morning: I practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree. Again, I could smell the clean refreshing pine scent. When I was doing Zhan Zhuang with my back facing the tree, I could see different outlines of many temples with my eyes closed. Shen laoshi said that Liu Yiming had built over 70 temples on this mountain, no wondering I could “see” so many.
Morning: When I was working on the external medicine, I could see great deal of bright yet transparent spirit light that permeated my whole body. When I condensed the light in front of my eyes, I retrieved it down to my lower field, it felt like a stream of water flowing down from the upper field, though the middle field and into my lower field. My three fields were bright like a sunny day.
Afternoon: Same as the morning.
Evening: Met with the divine tree again. When I was doing the Zhan Zhuang, I could see spirit light of deep green color flowing down into my lower field for more than 30 minutes. Afterward I "saw" many temples again.

 

27th
Early Morning: Met with the divine tree again. The pine tree qi flowed through my ten fingers into my body and collected in my lower field. During Zhan Zhuang, I saw with my eyes closed a tree in front of me. Shen laoshi explained that this is “reflection to the origin”.
Morning: During external medicine, the spirit light in front of my eye was sparkling and was making popping sounds. I could feel its incredible strength and it made my head vibrate. When I retrieved the light back into my lower field, my lower field started spinning and vibrating rapidly at the same time.
Afternoon: During meditation, once I closed my eyes, a flood of bright golden color spirit light appeared in front of me. The light then changed into white color. When I retrieved the light, it felt like unlimited amount of it was filling into my lower field. My lower field wouldn’t stop vibrating. When I worked on Installing the spirit at the ancestral chamber practice, the strength of the spirit light was too great for me to condense.
Evening: Met with divine tree again. During Zhan Zhuang, I continued to see the ancient temples, the mountain, the streams and old tea-colored walls of houses.
Nighttime: Secret supplementary practices.

 

28th
Early morning: Zhan Zhuang in front of the divine tree. With eyes closed, I saw mist-like spirit light filling into my lower field for more than 30 minutes. Fresh pine scent and flower fragrance flowed into my nose.
At nine old clock in the morning, Shen laoshi said I am ready to try the Channel SHO. I burned some incense and prayed to the heaven. When everything was ready, I got into the full lots position. I regulated my breath, clamed my mind and strengthened my stove and cauldron. I felt that my lower field was burning and vibrating rapidly. After that, the Hui Yin point also began to vibrate then the qi flowed up my Du channel, the three gates on my back was broken though at once, my Heavenly eye point felt like it just exploded, my whole body was burning and inflating. There were many sparkling light on my body, liked firework. My tongue rolled backed and blocked my throat, I found it really hard to swallow,. Then suddenly after a “GU LU” sound, a hot stream flowed down my Ren channel into my lower field. After that, qi was like a spinning wheel inside my Ren and Du channel. When it was flowing slowly, it felt like an inch-wide white light. When it was flowing quickly, it felt like several light streams. The qi was flowing freely and there was absolutely no blockade. After letting it flowed like this for about 10 minutes, Shen laoshi asked me to stop. After getting off the lotus position, I felt relaxed and happy and I thanked my teacher.

 

There was an interesting anecdote to this.
I met with Shen laoshi before dawn, he said, “I dreamed at midnight that I went to visit a classmate in Qingdao, there was a long fish pond, more than 10 meters long and 1 to 1.5 meters wide, the depth was between 1.5 and 2 meters. Inside the pond, one can see many big fishes playing and chasing each other. There were many spectators around the pond and among them were friends and colleagues. Suddenly a fish jumped out of the pond, the owner picked it up and throw it back into the pond. When a fish jumped over the dragongate it became a dragon. I think this is a sign that you will open your SHO today.”
I opened my SHO around 9:20 in the morning, the teacher said I was the 108th person that he helped to open the SHO. 108, a very nice and auspicious number.

Afternoon: Sitting practice, I saw that the spirit light was clear and bright, my strength to condense qi had become stronger. SHO flowed again.
Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, I saw the temples again and I smelt strong flower fragrance.

 

After opening my Channel SHO, I realized all the books on Daoist cultivation, internal alchemy etc on the market are pretty much worthless, what they describe are so different from the actual thing. The contents of these books are mostly empty words or just speculations of the authors. Same thing on the common understanding of “Wu Wei” and “Wu Xin”(“no heart”). A common interpretation of Wu Xin is that even the heart (Xin) is gone and that’s Wu Xin. However Xin is the most fundamental element, without Xin means there is nothing. So what is Wu Xin? For example, a bottle that contains nothing, we called it an empty bottle and not that the bottle itself is gone. Follow this then the concept of Wu Xin is clear, Wu Xin meant there is no polluted conscious thoughts in the heart. The heart of shining quietly is Wu Xin, without a trace of stray thought is “quiet”, when you know immediately a though has arise is “to shine”. No stray thought is the body of wisdom, once the level of the heart of shining quietly is reached, our heart then become the heart of the universe. Lu Jiuyuan said,” The universe is our heart, our heart is the universe.” This is exactly what it means.

Buddhism and Daoism are not just about the heart, they have transcended the heart and the material world. People that have Western philosophy type of thinking all declare that Buddhism is all about the heart. If one can understand what is Wu Xin, then will he be able to understand what is the true meaning of Wu Wei and Wu Xin. They are more than the material world. The same thing can also be applied to Dandao, without actual cultivation experience, one can never understand the true extent and meaning of inner alchemy. There are only few true lineage of internal alchemy left in this world. I am extremely lucky to be able to learn the authentic internal alchemy of Master Wang Liping.

 

29th
Early morning: Practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, while the mist-like spirit light was pouring into my lower field, another stream of spirit light entered the side of my left eye. My lower field vibrated and spun rapidly, SHO spun automatically.
Morning: While gathering of external medicine, I found it much easier to condense but still I couldn’t condense all the spirit light. The light used to be pure white in colour but today it has a tint of green in it, very bright and transparent. Once the light got into the lower field, my SHO started on its own again. At first I was only able to feel the part of the SHO orbit below my neck but after I increased the strength in the lower field, the entire orbit could be felt easily.
Afternoon: When fusing the elixir, the retrieved spirit light immediately appeared in front of my eyes. I didn’t listen to the daoyin and immediately collected the light into my lower field. The light poured down into my lower field like a giant waterfall and I could see many drops of pearl-like spirit light. I thought the scene was absolutely breathtaking! This beautiful scene continued for almost an hour and then I followed the daoyin again to work on installing the spirit at the ancestral chamber practice. Pure white spirit light flowed into my bladder, then it changed to grey and enters my liver, then it changed to green and enters my heart. Then it changed into tea-like color and entered my stomach, afterward it changed into sand yellow color and entered my lungs, afterward it changed into white and entered my kidneys, afterward it changed into grey and entered my bladder and finally it was still grey and entered my lower field.
The ancients said that the five elements have their respective five colors, this is absolutely true. I was absolutely awestruck by their wisdom.
Evening: I went to see the tomb of Liu Yiming. No one ever took care of the tomb and the place had been abandoned for a long tim. I felt very sad seeing this since I read his annotation of the Wu Zhen Pian before and I had respect for him. There was a really thick pine tree besides the tomb so I practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of it. When I did closed-eye zhan zhuang, spirit light immediately appeared in front of me. The qi here was different from the old divine tree, they were like misty pearls. After collecting them into my lower field and worked on the five elements, I felt for the first time qi moved vertically and horizontally inside my body. Qi in the liver moved from left to right and then from right to left and qi in my lungs and bladder moved up and down. The qi of the old divine tree shook and spun when it moved inside my organs.

 

30th
Early morning: Practiced ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, I felt that the qi wasn’t that strong today, so I recited mijue while working on the five elements. The organs vibrated slightly, the strongest one was the stomach. During zhang zhuang, I “saw” the roads and the pine trees with my eyes closed, and also the mist-covered forest. Finally under the influence of the spirit light, I spontanesouly worked on the Bagua Yi Sphere.
Morning: During meditation, I was able to see the color change of the five elements and also the surrounding area. I was meditating on the second floor but I was able to see the peope and the floor of ground level.
Afternoon: During meditation, I had experienced a new phenomenon, my mind was very clear but I wasn’t able to hear anything from the surrounding. But after a while I was able to hear the daoyin again. I then saw within light-yellow spirit light, there was a rice-sized red sphere entering into my lower field. The lower field then immediately contracted and expanded slowly, like a massage, it was very comfortable.
Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree. During the bladder phase of the five elements, my SHO started automatically and I wasn’t sure what to do. So I observe my SHO while continued to work on the 5 elements. There were influences from the two affecting each other but they still managed to be run at the same time. Five elements is small restoration cinnabar while SHO is grand restoration cinnabar, I didn't know why they appeared at the same time.

 

31st
Early morning: I changed a tree this morning, it wasn’t as big and as old as the divine tree, the feeling was also slightly off. The tree appeared in front of my eyes while I was working on the Ping Heng Gong and also while I did zhan zhuang facing the opposite way. The movements of the qi inside my organs were not balanced, for example, the qi shook in my right lung while it spun in my left. It spun in my right kidney but moved in line-movement in my left.
Morning: During meditation, spirit light appeared as soon as I closed my eye, so I ignored the daoyin and retrieved the spirit light inside my body. I saw many imageries, mountains, sky, rocks and pine trees, they were very bright, just like seeing with eyes opened. During the ancestral chamber practice, the spirit light was transparent and my ability to control it was better, the condensed light got smaller. After it went down into my lower field, qi began to move between my lower field and middle field automatically.
After lunch, I took a tour of the temple where Liu Yiming cultivated, the Zizai Wo. After talking to the daoist in charge there, I entered the temple and closed my eyes to meditate, very quickly I saw yellow color spirit light. After condensing it and put it in my lower field, the feeling was quite good.
Afternoon: After the tour, I got into full lotus and gather external medicine, I wanted to continued the feeling I had in Zizai Wo. Immediately after I closed my eyes, the spirit light appeared. Condensed it and retrieved it for about 30 minutes. After the light went into my lower field, I started the five elements practice. When it got to my stomach, the SHO started automatically. So I quickly finished the cycle and to concentrate on the movement of the SHO. An idea flashed into mind at that moment, I heard the method of Macrocosmic orbit from Shen laoshi, so I immediately thought about my Yong Quan points, suddenly two streams of qi flowed up from my Yong Quan points, through my legs and into the Hui Yin point and then followed the SHO and into my lower field. A new pathway appeared: Yong Quan -> Hui Yin -> Du channel -> Ren channel. It flowed in this new path for about 20 times. While the qi was moving, it shined a bright light, it was beautiful. Finally, qi flowed in circles inside my lower field, from big to small, from one direction to the other. My lower field was burning, it was very very hot. Finally I quieted down and finished up the meditation.
Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree again. During the five elements cycle, qi flowed between my lower field and middle field automatically. I wanted it to stop this movement but wasn’t able to. I asked Shen laoshi afterward and he said let them move on their own.

 

1st June
Early Morning: After greeting the divine tree, I closed my eyes and regulated my breathing, the spirit light appeared immediately. I condensed it to the size of a green bean and put it into my lower field, the qi in the lower field began to vibrate. The amplitude was small in the beginning but then it got greater and greater and even moved back and forth inside my Dai mai, there was some small pain. Afterward qi in my right kidney started spinning and then my left kidney. Qi in the lower field circulated in big and then small circles. After letting it be for about 30 minutes I started zhan zhuang. The same phenomenon appeared. During five elements, the qi moved between my lower and middle fields. Then it started moving in the Dai channel and I again felt a slight pain.
Morning: Learnt the practice of “Using the external five elements to open the channels” , then full lotus, light appeared immediately after I closed my eyes. Macrocosmic orbits ran for about 30 times. Then qi moved between the middle and lower fields. Then qi moved in big and small circles in both directions in my lower field. Then qi was collected in my lower field and started spinning rapidly.
Afternoon: Practiced “External 5 elements to open the channels”, then full lotus. Light appeared immediately after I closed my eyes, after collected it in my lower field and worked on the five-element cycle, the qi moved between the lower and middle fields, I immediately finished the cycle to observe the qi movement between the two fields. Then Macrocosmic orbit started on its own, it felt like every meridians and channels were moving in my body, I could feel qi inside several meridians were moving at the same time, they had different colors, very bright and moved very fast. There were also white color qi surrounding them and I also saw qi moving in front of my eyes. The entire meridian system were moving rapidly and I was actually a bit worried. But I remembered Shen laoshi’s advice to carefully let them work on themselves, so I quieted down and started to observe and count the number of cycles. After about 70 times, the speed began to be reduced. I then put some intention at the yong quan points and qi immediately flowed up from there into my hui yin then Du and Ren channels into my lower field. After about 100 cycles, qi began to move between my lower and middle fields. Then the qi started moving in big and small circles inside my lower field. Then the qi was collected in my lower field and condensed into rice-sized ball ad started spinning rapidly.
Evening: Met with my favorite divine tree again. Light appeared immediately and I collected it into my lower field and then qi started spinning. When I retrieved the spirit light again, qi started moving between my middle and lower fields. After a while, I observed my lower field and the qi started the circular movments. During Zhan Zhuang, Macrocosmic orbit ran for more than 10 times together with several meridians. My 10 fingers were full of qi and they were very hot, I could feel qi moving in my meridian.

 

2nd
Early Morning: Met with my favorite divine tree again. Light appeared immediately and I collected it into my lower field. Then Macrocosmic orbit ran for 70 cycles, then several meridians also started moving, the Dai channel also moved. 3 cycles of five elements and stopped, approximately 90 minutes.
Morning: Full lotus on my bed, light appeared immediately. Put it in my lower field. Got into a trance for about 30 minutes, then 2 cycles of five elements. Macrocosmic orbits 16 times. During ancestral chamber practice the spirit light was like a yellow bean, golden color and a layer of rainbow on the surface. Retrieved spirit light into my lower field, it then vibrated very strongly which caused my body to almost leaned back. It happened twice. Then I used the spirit light for the five elements practice, when it got to the lungs, qi started pumping from the yong quan points, so I quickly finished the cycle to observe it. Macrocosmic orbit started running rapidly for about 200 times. Then starting from my toes, I felt vibrations, heat, light and electric shocks, I could even heard a noise that sounds like electricity moving between two metal objects. The phenomenon moved up my legs, thigh, waist. And starting from the waist, a bright qi loop appeared, same thing happened at my chest. I thought this must be the new latitudinal orbits mentioned by Shen laoshi earlier. So I tried my best to remember their positions and numbers. But after I finished the practice, I had forgotten almost all of them, it was just like a dream.
After lunch, I went to Mount Long Tou with Shen laoshi. I meditated on mount Long Tou and light appeared immediately, they looked exactly like pearls, they dropped one by one into my lower field. The lower field began to move on its own. The qi inside it then slowly spreaded out like mist. I felt there were several small objects spinning inside. Circular movements of qi then appeared in the lower field. Because it was too sunny, I quickly finished up. Meditating on mount Long Tou felt different from other places, the qi at this place was particular strong.
Afternoon: Back to the living quarter, after some tea, full lotus on my bed. Macrocosmic orbit ran for several dozen times together with all the meridians. Then ancestral chamber practice, I did it twice and collected the light in the lower field. Since I felt that the qi did not dissolve completely in my lower field, so I increased my intention to dissolve the qi in the lower field. When I hold my breath to dissolve the qi, a flood of white light bursted out of the lower field and spread to the surrounding. I could feel that my lower field was expanding and contracting and it was breathing rhythmically. At the same times new orbit lines appeared. I thought this was embryonic breathing and so I was very excited. So just like this, I inhaled, hold and then exhaled and during each hold breath, the lower field would started breathing automatically, it was very comfortable. It was like this for about 30 minutes. While this was happening, my legs really hurt and they started shaking, felt really hot, it felt like my legs were burning. During reverse breathing and drawing in the anus, it exacerbated the feeling. After some time, the vibration and burning sensation started to subside, my left leg did not hurt anymore but the right leg continued to hurt. The entire session was about 2 hours.
Afterward I went to Shen laoshi and told him excitedly that I had embryonic breathing and I described the phenomenon to him. The teacher said calmly, “This is not embryonic breathing. This is True Breath” and he told me a story. Some guy thought he had reached embryonic breathing, just liked me, and he went to ask Master Wang. The Master did not answered directly but during the class he said,”In order to have embryonic breathing, you must first have an embryo. To have an embryo you must first have Yinyang. To have Yinyang you must have Taiyi (ultimate unity), and to have Taiyi, you must first have internal and external medicine.”
Evening: Met with the divine tree again. Light appeared immediately. The circular spirit light had a very special coloration. It was tea color inside but the boundary was grey. After collecting it in the lower field, the lower field began to jump. Afte Ping heng gong zhan zhuang and five elements, macrocosmic orbits started to cycle, the qi movements inside my meridians were very thin. Then the new orbits surrounding the three fields appeared.

 

3rd
Early Morning: Stood in front of the old divine tree, spirit light appeared immediately. The circular light was white and sightly brown outside and black in the center. After pulling it a bit, the color changed to white outside with some rainbow color and the center was gold color. Retrieved it back to lower field and it began spinning immediately, the qi circulated in big and small circles and in different directions. Then I retrieved the light again and the Macocosmic orbit started running, the speed was too fast for me to count the number of cycles, it must had been about 200 times. During the cycles, when it was slowing down, I would strengthen my intention at the yong quan points and then it would speed up again. After the orbits, I closed my eyes to do Ping Heng Gong, suddenly the tree became a giant white column and there were some crossectional light loops. The qi moved from the bottom to the top just like the meridians in the human body. During Zhan Zhuang, the macrocosmic orbit ran again for another 200 times. New latitudinal orbits were also circulating. I looked at it carefully and recorded thir positions and number. I finished up after 2 cycles of five elements. The entire practice was about 2 hours long.
I asked about the tree light column, Shen laoshi said, “Trees also have channels where they transport the nutrients.“ he further added that “The number of loops and their position you saw are correct.”
Lifes and nature are so wonderful and mysterious!
Morning: I took a tour of the Qi Zhen Dian. I stood in front of the oil pine tree in front of the temple for a brief moment. Once I closed my eyes, the light appeared immediately, its color was just like the sun. Retrieved it down to lower field and it immediately began to spin, the Macrocosmic orbit also spun for a few dozens times. The qi of the oil pine tree was soft but full, the tree has a beautiful and respectable appearance. Afterward, I went inside the Qi Zhen Dian, after praying my respect and burned an incence, I sat down to meditate for a bit. The spirit light was liked the rising sun at dawn, when I retrieved it back, its color changed into sparkling gold, it was very strong and limitless, it poured directly into my lower field. I kept at this state while I slowly stood up, I continued to retrieve the spirit light and not long afterward the macrocosmic orbits started runnning for a few dozens times. The power of this authentic ancient temple was so great!
Afternoon and evening: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, I collected the golden color light in my lower field. Macrocosmic orbit started running and also the new latitudinal orbits. During ancestral chamber and five elements practice, the Macro orbit also started running for about 200 cycles. I sat in full lotus for almost 2 hours and my legs hurt a lot, but the meridians seemed to be auto correcting themselves and the pain reduced, although the pain was still too much for me and I took one leg down.
After tuning my body and looked up, spirit light appeared again, I collected down to my lower field and the true breath happened again. I got into a trance, semi-conscious and dream-like. Suddenly, my legs started shaking and I felt that there were three channels moving up and down and the pain in my legs disppeared and the Macro orbit started running again. I was in this state for a while longer and then I finished up. The entire practice was about 200 minutes.

4th
After migdnight: Full lotus, took light into the lower field. Qi started spinning in big and small circles inside the lower field. Tuned my breath, inhaled, held an exhaled. When I was holding my bretah, the lower field started breathing, a rope-like white qi band was leading the lower field to breath, then slowely, my ordinary mouth nose breathing stopped and skin breathing began. Macro orbit started spinning. When the lower field started spinning, the top part would exhale and the lower part would inhale, rising and lowering regularly. During Macro orbit, it raise from the back and fall at the front. It was very comfortable and I got into a dream-like trance state again. I was like that for an hour.
Early morning: Met with the old divine tree, light appeared immediately. The first time I condensed the light to a small point, it escaped. I tried it again and collected it to the lower field. The lower field started spinning and the Macro orbit also started running. I could see the dvine tree with my eyes closed as though my eyes were actually opened., the only difference is that it seemed to be cleaner and clearer with my eyes closed. During zhan zhuang, I could see mountain, lake, sky and bamboo forest etc.
Morning: Full lotus, light appeared, ignored daoyin. Collected light to lower field. Dantian started spinning. I continued to collect the spirit light which was light blue color. I used my intention to spin my lower field while holding my breath, I could feel the true breath. True breah stopped when I heard the daoyin for ancestral chamber practice. Collected spirit light down to lower filed again and the Macro orbit started to run. Probably because I did full lotus for too long the day before, my legs hurt a lot so I changed into half lotus. Not long afterward, Macro orbit started again until I finished the session.
After lunch, we packed up to go back into the city. Our car broke down though so we had to stop at a service pit to get it repaired. At the mechanic's, it was still possible to make out the location of the Qi Zhen Dian and the Oil pine. Shen laoshi said it is possible to retrieve the spirit light of the temple even from this great distance, so I decided to try it. The spirit light of the temple appeared in front me immediately and not long after, the oil pine's light also arrived. How did I tell the difference? I remembered the different colors of the spirit light from yesterday. So I sat in the mechanic’s place and faced Mount Xing long to meditate. Not long afterward, the spirit light of the temple and the tree appeared although the pine tree’s light was weaker than the temple’s light. Both light were somewhat weak at first but it got stronger and stronger gradually. After I collected all the light in my lower field, I was going to do five elements but the lower field started spinning on its own, so I let it do its thing. This lasted for about an hour and in between, true breath appeared and I could hear the surrounding sound, I felt like I was about to get into a trance. The qi slowly flowed into my lower field and the Macro orbit started running, I let it ran for almost 1000 times until our car was fixed.

 

5th
Morning: Woke up and the Macro orbit started on its own, so I straightened my legs and lay on my bed to let it run for about 40 minutes.
The night before, I dreamed a giant snake that had beautiful pattern on its body. I was a bit scared so I threw a rock at it, it chased after me so I ran away. It caught up with me though but at that moment, a beautiful tiger appeared and bit the snake at the 7th-inch position, the tiger seemed to be hesitating and so it stopped. I thought, did the snake also bite the tiger? The dream ended at that point.
Afterward, full lotus for about an hour, I used the spirit light to link up with the spirit light from Qi Zhen Dian, after a few minutes the temple’s light appeared and I collected it to my lower field. Not long after, true breath appeared. After more than 10 minutes, qi slowly flowed into the lower field. Qi moved strongly inside my lower field and it was very hot. I could also feel granular shaped qi in the lower field, probably because it wasn’t dissolved completely. Then I did five-element cycle three times and took qi back to the lower field. I still felt that the qi wasn’t completely dissolved but my legs hurt too much so I stopped.
Shen laoshi’s plan was that after coming down from the mountain, the focus would be shifted to the discussion of the three classics: Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji, Ling Bao Bi Fa and Taiyi Jinhua Zong Zhi. I had read the three books before I arrived at Lanzhou, the words weren’t so hard to understand but the actual practice and their true meaning were of course hidden and I was really not so sure I understood them at all. I read it again after I got back to the city and this time, especially the verification parts, I felt that I really do understand them especially since some of verifications had happened in my own body.
After Shen laoshi had arrived, I asked him about dream, he said just go and read the third chapter of Ling Bao Bi Fa. The third chapter is the Mating of Dragon and Tiger and then I understood, isn’t snake a small dragon?
Today, we mainly discussed the first chapter of Ling Bao Bi Fa, the Matching of Yin and Yang.

 

6th
Morning: Half lotus for 90 minutes, pretty much the same as the day before, nothing new.
Today we discussed the second chapter, the collection and dispersion of water and fire.
Night time: Today was the Dragon Boat Festival, I ate too much in dinner, my belly was swelling. I sat down and try to dissolve the qi in my stomach, after some noises from my stomach, I felt more comfortable. I continued the practice and retrieved the spirit light from Qi Zhen Dian into my lower field. Two cycles of five elements and I felt plenty of qi. I did two times ancestral chamber and then two more times of five elements. After collecting the qi to the lower field, the qi raise up and it looked like a 4 inch long light band, I tried to force it back down to the lower field but wasn’t able to, so I just let it be. I felt the qi raise up from my back and flowed down in front, the strength and speed of the movments were unprecedented. I felt like it was moving at 2 or 3 times the speed of the Macro orbit. My whole body was very hot and sweating. After I finished up, I felt very comfortable.

 

7th
Morning: Half lotus, light shifted and spun in front of my eyes. After collecting it down to lower field, qi started moving between the middle and lower field.
Today, we discussed the third chapter, the mating of dragon and tiger.
Evening: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, collected it to lower field. One cycle of five elements and the macro orbit started running. After that, I did the five-element cycle again, when it reached my lungs, the macro orbit started again. Not long after that, there were big movement up my back and down my front, the movement was very fast. In between, several meridians and channels were also moving. But I felt that the speed and hotness weren’t as good as the day before. After 90 minutes, I changed into half lotus and then did five elements twice. I finished up then and the session was 140 minutes. Afterward, I felt that my skin was especially smooth.
Night time: full lotus, retrieved the light from Qi Zhen Dian to lower field. After two cycles of five elements, the macro orbit started running. Then after ancestral chamber practice, after retrieving the spirit light, true breath speared and lower field started breathing. It expanded and contracted regularly like a balloon and the expansion got bigger and bigger and I felt like I was about to float up. My whole body sweated and I thought suddenly, what if I exploded? So I decided to ask Shen laoshi before I continued. I slowly reduced the movement and finished up after another two times of five elements.

8th
After midnight: When I was sleeping, I felt that the macro orbit was spinning, so I woke up and meditated. Half lotus, took light back and then did 2 cycles of five elements. Ancestral chamber practice, took light back to lower field, two cycles of five elements, took qi back to lower field. My lower field felt empty and it seemed there were a lot of space in there, I thought where was my Dan? Then I finished up but the lower field started spinning again, I thought what was going on? Why does it happen again?
I asked Shen laoshi later and he said,”In college, the junior year ended and the vacation began, the senior year hasn’t started yet, and that’s the happiest time.” I thought about what it meant.
Morning: Cross-legged, linked up with the old divine tree, the light I got back was fairly weak, took it back to lower field. Two cycles of five elements and then Macro orbit started. Two more cycles of five elements and I finished up.
There was a new phenomenon, whenever I was meditating or resting, as soon as I moved my feet or stimulate the yong quan points, the macro orbit would start running. It was a headache, but a blissful one.
Today we discussed the forth chapter, the Cooking of Cinnabar medicine.
Nighttime: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, took it to lower field. Macro orbit started running. Two cycles of five elements, ancestral chamber practice, I felt that my ability to control the light got better, two cycles of five elements, macro orbit, latitudinal orbits, entire meridian system moved up and down. 80 minutes in total.

9th
Morning: Half lotus, true breath appeared. Saliva pouring out from under my tongue, I swallowed them to the lower field. Macro orbits, entire meridian system were running. I used my intention to contract some of the latitudinal orbits, they got smaller and smaller but their speed increased. Two cycles of five elements and then I finished up. 90 minutes in total.
Today, we discussed the fifth chapter, the golden crystal flying up from the side.
Nighttime: Full lotus. Light appeared immediately, took back to lower field, then five elements twice, then macro orbits and latitudinal orbits. After ancestral chamber and five elements, the macro orbits ran again. Then I tuned the latitudinal orbit and following my regulations of my breaths, the orbit got smaller and smaller while the speed increased. This time the upper, middle and lower field were connected in one line. The broken line is no longer broken! It was just like a meridian and starting running. Afterward, my legs hurt so I finished up. 70 minutes in total.
Night time: Crossed legged. Light appeared immediately, took it to lower field. Five elements and then macro orbit, latitudinal orbits and entire meridian system started moving. I decreased the size of the latitudinal orbit to make it run faster. The broken line then also started moving. I was worried that the qi might burst out from the Tian Men so I use the body universe and personal universe to regulate it. Qi moved up and down between the upper and lower field. Afterward, I saw the sky, clouds and mountain ranges just liked with my eyes open. Then, I saw a flood of light, it was transparent and golden color, liked a curtain. I was going to finish up but the Macro orbit and latitudinal orbits just wouldn’t stop. So I continued to sit. 200 minutes.

10th
Midnight: Half lotus. Light appeared, took it to lower field. Five elements and then macro orbit, the speed was much faster than before. Latitudinal orbit, broken line started moving. Used body and personal universe to regulate the movement. Qi moved to lower field. Then I saw the edge of the personal universe, I was sitting inside a big sphere, very bright, liked the scene when I opened my SHO but just without the stars.
Morning: Half lotus, light appeared, took it to lower field. Five elements, macro orbit, latitudinal orbit. Qi to lower field, then it wanted to go up. Lower field spinning, five elements again. Finished up.
In the afternoon, I left my place of rebirth, Lanzhou. I went home happily and a changed person.

 

Conclusion

A limited lifetime and an unlimited universe.
How can a human obtain a lifespan that is as long as the heaven and earth? The ancients observe the movements of the heaven and earth, they understood the transformation of yin and yang, the movements of the sun and the moon. And using these observations, they revealed the rule of the great Dao inside the human body. This is Dandao, ordinary people only used their normal eyes to see man, things and the universe, but they don’t know how to use the Heaven eyes to see the world behind the ordinary world.
Life is short, normal people don’t know how to escape the pain of living, like birth, old age, diseases and death. Living only in the material world, there is no escaping these pains. But if they looked back and read the wisdom of the old sages and started learning and practicing dandao, then there is a possibility to escape. The “On true immortals” chapter in Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji is excellent, and one should study it carefully.
Through the personal guidance of Shen laoshi, I was able to experience firsthand the pre-heaven movements of qi (SHO, macro, latitudinal orbits) and also the shining brightness of the original spirit and ling xing. I have changed completely as a person, from inside to outside. I understood what is meant by “Dao is not far from human”. By studying the three classics and the verifications in them and the things that happened inside my body, I was able to understand the Zhong Lu Dandao is the complete method and perfect integration of theory, method and verification. It helped me reaching a new level of consciousness and a deeper appreciation of traditional Chinese culture. This ended my 15 years of study in China at a high note and I hope a full ending would be possible with my own further tireless effort.
June 10th 2011 at Lanzhou.

 

 

End of the quote.

 

 

 

 

Where are you in your [neidan] cultivation?

What do you do?

What do you see?

What do you think?

[Vitalii]

Response to Carpathian retreat 2013

 

When planning to go for a retreat in a traditional style, I was a little nervous, because my daily meditations at that moment took less than 2 hours, and one year of practice is not that much. But when I arrived, I was charmed by the Carpathian nature, and all my worries became not so important. I had been to the Carpathians earlier, but it never was that far from a civilization. Here, the building, which we lived in, was the only building in the nearby area, and to come here one would need a lorry or a very good jeep.

 

The first night, I felt that if I do not merge with Dao and fully open myself to Heaven and Earth, my resistance would cause only troubles. I tried to clear my head and relax.

 

The first meditation was great. Meditations and Zhan Zhuang always go better in the open air rather than in a building. So, after the first meditation, I had a feeling that I could sit even for much longer, and this made me more confident and optimistic. At night, when lying in my bad, I saw a flash of light. My first thought was about a lantern or a camera flashlight, but it was silent and everybody was already sleeping. But when I tried to fall asleep, the flash repeated one more time, and it repeated around three times like this. It was very unusual experience.

 

One day Vitalii showed a dantians’ synchronization technique. So I was sitting in a meditation, and started observing this process with my inner vision, and then I recognized that the details dramatically increased if compared with my previous experience. At some moment, in the lower dantian area, two channels appeared. The channels were pulsing, growing and shrinking to the size of a thread from time to time. Sometimes, I could feel how Qi was flowing through these channels like a glowing ball. It was fascinating, as all the processes were going without my conscious involvement.

 

 

 

The next day, I repeated the same technique, including the upper dantian. Because on this retreat I was only passing the third level, my upper dantian had been almost not worked out. Qi was going between the middle and upper dantian very badly; it was like creating a road in a field. And it was not surprising that this time it took much more efforts then previously. By the end of the meditation, the only success I achieved was relatively free flow of Qi between the middle and upper dantian.

Days and events have mixed in my memory so much that, from this point, all historical sequence will be lost, and I will describe only brightest events from my point of view.

 

Once I went much dipper into the meditation. Before that, I had considered my Qi as a chaotic glowing mass that works according to its own rules. This time, I felt my Qi as one single thing, and it behaved differently, not only on its own, but according to my influence as well.

One day during a meditation I had a feeling that I dissolved in the nature, and I felt further changes inside of me. My dantian started crystallizing. Inner Qi began to transform from chaotic variety of different structures into one solid structure.

 

At the evening meditation, we were making a practice of connecting with stars. When I attuned with the Heaven and Earth, I felt an unexpected phenomena. It was like Qi coming from the Heaven became extremely strong and was flowing into the top of my head. I tried to concentrate on more spiritual and loving state, and, over time, it became a soft warm flow coming down from the sky. When I finished the meditation, I continued feeling this energy flow. By Vitalii suggestion, I tried to finish the meditation one more time and gather all the Qi in dantian, and eventually it disappeared.

 

On the next meditation, instead of feeling the variety of Qi, I felt my lower dantian as a 3D sphere. Before that, I had felt my dantian only in two dimensions, but now I started recognizing it in three dimensions as an integral structure. It looked like a ball of Qi, but Qi was not equally spread within the sphere. I continued the meditation perceiving it in such a new for me form.

 

The next time the evening practice didn’t have surprises, but was unusually deep. At first, I started accumulation silence and calmness meditation, to make the meditation deeper and wait for darkness. In this way it is much easier to establish a connection with the stars and planets. After diving deep enough, I started attunement. During the practice, I could feel the lower dantian, but my body seemed to have disappeared. The perception level where I see Qi and the world that surrounds me mixed into one reality. Body, which plays role of a boundary between inner and outer reality, just disappeared. As a result, I was like dissolving, and felt the unity with the world. Of course, it was only partial dissolving in the world, because there was observer and thoughts about this situation. But, nevertheless, it was a new and impressive experience for me.

 

By the end of meditation one thought came into my head: I need to say goodbye to this place. It was odd because I had at least one more day and one more evening meditation. But I followed this thought and, with a little bit of sadness, I took a tiny piece of this place with me. On the next day, it was raining, and we did not meditate at this place, and thereafter I was leaving.

 

 

By Alex Karmazin

student of Zhen Dao Pai

http://zhendaopai.com/response-carpathian-retreat-2013/

[opendao]

 

Where are you in your [neidan] cultivation?

What do you do?

What do you see?

What do you think?

 

FYI, in traditional schools it's prohibited to post such (or any) details about personal practice. And in Longmen too.

[Andrei]

Then it should prohibit to bash other people's thoughts too.

[Taoist Texts]

You see the traditional schools besides having a sales department also had thought police team. The one that would PROHIBIT! and SEIZE!!!...and PUNISH!!!!

 

[opendao]

Then it should prohibit to bash other people's thoughts too.

 

Thoughts made public are not just thoughts...

 

Btw, if something is against somebody's point of view, it's not called "bashing"... Bashing is "violent physical assault" or "severe criticism", by the way. I don't see that any schools were really bashing in this thread or anywhere else.

 

If you have nothing to say about traditional rules of non-disclosing any info about practices, then you don't have to feel "bashed"...

[opendao]

You see the traditional schools besides having a sales department also had thought police team. The one that would PROHIBIT! and SEIZE!!!...and PUNISH!!!!

 

You are absolutely right. As usual. Lu Dongbin sharpens his sword, Wang Chongyang creates a new social marketing strategy to sell his teaching to Taoist Texts through Facebook. But our hero will continue to troll, showing his respect and understanding of the tradition he has no any relation to...

[MooNiNite]

wish i had time to read it all Andrei. Sounds like some great practice though

[exorcist_1699]

I think this journal can only be read as record of experiences people get from practicing some specific methods of a Taoist school, and should not be viewed as something common. The reason why many masters oppose talking about personal practice experience in detail is that, based on a practitioner's age, sex, status of health and way of practice..etc , likely she/he will give you very different descriptions of her/his 'achievements' .

 

Besides, more importantly , a foretold symptom will likely block its appearance on the body/mind of those late practitioners; For example, too detailed description of the ' magic gateway' conversely smother its emergence.

 

Nowadays, we can read many such kinds of journals on blogs and Facebook on internet , and most are problematic; this one..uhm..I am hesitant to give comments as it involves a quite famous sifu in China and his followers' activities, however, just base on the content of the journal and the author's claims , I do have some doubts and ideas:

 

 

1) There is no channel called ' SHO' , any mistake here ?

 

2) 'Ling Bao Bi Fa ' is a problematic book , that means, it likely is not written by Zhong li quan, Lu Dong Bin's sifu, and judging from its content, it should not be something people heavily rely on;

 

3) The author's understanding of Macro-cosmic circulation : Qi extends beyond the Du and Ren meridians, in which the Micro cosmic circulating , and now run from the bottom of our feet to more places of the body ...etc, seems to be a narrow ( I hesitate to say ' shallow' ) view about the MaCC.

 

4) Although we are told of many things such as light, heat, qi, third-eye ability... in those diaries, the crucial one , ie, the magic gateway , seems never be mentioned, which does reflect the character of the WuLiu school ( or you can call it its main shortcoming)...;although people claim theirs being Longmen school's , but most of them can't escape the influence of WuLiu's .

 

5) Too 'body-entangled ' is another feature of the WuLiu school; for example, telling people to put clip on their noses or stuffing something at the anus at certain stage of MCC..( likely not appear in this journal , but readers can judge this from reading the diaries : for example, on one hand talks about pre-heavenly qi , on the other hand talks about doing those five-element stuff sounds contradictory..)

 

 

Of course, there are more..., but I would like to stop here so that it looks not too lengthy.. Don't get me wrong, if the author's description is precise and no exaggerations, then I have to say his achievement is quite good... ; the WuLiu school's ways , in Taoist circle , is generally viewed as something above the middle, but having certain distance from the top level ; I think as people's practice go deeper and they read more, naturally they can make judgement on these kinds of journals themselves .

Edited August 19, 2014 by exorcist_1699

[Taoist Texts]

I think this journal can only be read as record of experiences people get from practicing some specific methods of a Taoist school, and should not be viewed as something common. The reason why many masters oppose talking about personal practice experience in detail is that, based on a practitioner's age, sex, status of health and way of practice..etc , likely she/he will give you very different descriptions of her/his 'achievements' .

 

Besides, more importantly , a foretold symptom will likely block its appearance on the body/mind of those late practitioners; For example, too detailed description of the ' magic gateway' conversely smother its emergence.

 

Nowadays, we can read many such kinds of journals on blogs and Facebook on internet , and most are problematic; this one..uhm..I am hesitant to give comments as it involves a quite famous sifu in China and his followers' activities, however, just base on the content of the journal and the author's claims , I do have some doubts and ideas:

 

 

2) 'Ling Bao Bi Fa ' is a problematic book , that means, it likely is not written by Zhong li quan, Lu Dong Bin's sifu, and judging from its content, it should not be something people heavily rely on;

Hey Ex, can you please elaborate on whats wrong with that book?

[宁]

LOL

 

Andrei, iar pierzi timpul pe net cu habarnistii

[opendao]

;although people claim theirs being Longmen school's , but most of them can't escape the influence of WuLiu's .

 

There is no any influence of Wu-Liu Pai on Wang Liping's "longmen" even on the textual level. The sources of their exercises are well known, the texts they rely on have everything they usually mention. There is nothing in common with Wu-Liu Pai. Don't confuse people.

 

5) Too 'body-entangled ' is another feature of the WuLiu school; for example, telling people to put clip on their noses or stuffing something at the anus at certain stage of MCC..( likely not appear in this journal , but readers can judge this from reading the diaries : for example, on one hand talks about pre-heavenly qi , on the other hand talks about doing those five-element stuff sounds contradictory..)

 

It sounds contradictory because the author has no relation to Longmen Pai, so all that is just qigong based fantasies after reading Neidan texts...

 

There is no 'too body-entagled' as a feature of Wu-Liu Pai. I don't know where you take your info about the school, but it's very far from reality.

 

the WuLiu school's ways , in Taoist circle , is generally viewed as something above the middle, but having certain distance from the top level

 

What is "high level" then?

And what "Taoist circles" you constantly refer to? modern Hong Kong?

 

Your arguments are really welcomed.

[damdao]

1) There is no channel called ' SHO' , any mistake here ?

 

 

 

4) Although we are told of many things such as light, heat, qi, third-eye ability... in those diaries, the crucial one , ie, the magic gateway , seems never be mentioned, which does reflect the character of the WuLiu school ( or you can call it its main shortcoming)...;although people claim theirs being Longmen school's , but most of them can't escape the influence of WuLiu's .

 

5) Too 'body-entangled ' is another feature of the WuLiu school; for example, telling people to put clip on their noses or stuffing something at the anus at certain stage of MCC..( likely not appear in this journal , but readers can judge this from reading the diaries : for example, on one hand talks about pre-heavenly qi , on the other hand talks about doing those five-element stuff sounds contradictory..)

 

 

Of course, there are more..., but I would like to stop here so that it looks not too lengthy.. Don't get me wrong, if the author's description is precise and no exaggerations, then I have to say his achievement is quite good... ; the WuLiu school's ways , in Taoist circle , is generally viewed as something above the middle, but having certain distance from the top level ; I think as people's practice go deeper and they read more, naturally they can make judgement on these kinds of journals themselves .

 

SHO = Small Heavenly Orbit

 

¿Why you say that this is Wuliupai?

On the contrary, Opendao has stated that in his school it is prohibited to publish practice journals.

And this first journal comes from a student in Wang's line.

[exorcist_1699]

People seem not knowing that the common terms we widely use today : Micro cosmic circulation, Macro cosmic circulation , external medicine , internal medicine ...are either invented or widely broadcasted by the WuLiu school, so saying that there is no literal effect on us sounds strange and unreal ;

 

As told, I make the comments based on the content of the journal, so if people think that it is some kind of invention or illusion made by someone , then there is no ground to argue.

Edited August 19, 2014 by exorcist_1699

[opendao]

People seem not knowing that the common terms we widely use today : Micro cosmic circulation, Macro cosmic circulation , external medicine , internal medicine ...are either invented or widely broadcasted by the WuLiu school, so saying that there is no literal effect on us sounds strange and unreal ;

 

You're speaking about texts, not about teaching... All such things like MCO/SHO were existing long before WLP, but in WLP texts _some_ things were described for a first time without "mystical flavour" (more open) and _some_ terms were introduced, but basically they mean the same things as more exotic terms in the ancient texts. Then for sure some parts of this info has spread widely, because other schools haven't disclosed the teaching in such details, and it was hard to find more precise practical advices. And sure we can trace how different modern schools are constantly "stealing" the theory from WLP to cover their lack of knowledge and tradition. That's all clear.

 

But your point in several messages is that WLP is basically wrong in its concepts, it's a "middle" school, and it is "having certain distance" from some unknown "top level" schools. Can you finally elaborate that?

 

I have no wish to argue with you, and I'm open to a critical view, but so far all such things as "many people", "Taoist circles" etc sound very poor and cannot be taken as an argument.

[Ormus]

Dear all,<br /><br />this is interesting journal.<br />I got it that this author come from Longmen Pai(Dragon Gate) line of Master Wang Liping.<br />I have some questions:<br />1.Is Master Wang lineage holder and Patriarch of Longmen Pai?<br />2.Did he teach Nei Dan or this is Qi Gong and Nei Gong?<br />3.Why Master Whang offer only seminars and no initiation in lineage?<br /><br />For Exorcist:<br />Can you list a rank of schools in Jindan tradition as they are seen in China?<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Ormus

[Infolad1]

This thread was getting very interesting, and then It stopped. What happened? Did It pick 

up In another thread?

 

Cheers!

[Andrei]

It was a war between schools spread over several threads. I personally sympathise with Wang Liping school, although I've never been to their workshops, they are too expensive for my taste. The opinions about what is neidan cultivation vary, so I just wanted to give an example of practice that I found randomly on internet which I can relate to.

[Infolad1]

It was a war between schools spread over several threads. I personally sympathise with Wang Liping school, although I've never been to their workshops, they are too expensive for my taste. The opinions about what is neidan cultivation vary, so I just wanted to give an example of practice that I found randomly on internet which I can relate to.

I apologize for the delay in replying Andrei.

 

You've done new folks a great service by posting this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

I understand that the expense of these schools partly acts as a qualifier, but it still has the result of preventing

sincere seekers from learning important information. Some would say that if it was their destiny to learn it,

the means would appear for them to pay. Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.

 

I paid over $2,000 for first level Iron Crotch training. Worth every penny. 

But $2,000 is the equivalent of $20,000 Dollars for both me, and most of the people that I know.

 

And the funny thing is that most of the people who took the Intensive with me some six years ago, don't even do the training anymore. I can see why there aren't that many people who get to the levels that can be gotten to, with enough training, and

an understanding of the process. So an argument could also be made that people don't appreciate what they don't 

have to pay, and sacrifice for. And sometimes not even then. 

 

I've been blessed to have been able to work out the process through what I've learned through teachers, and cross referencing

Ancient Egyptian, Ancient Indian, Taoist, Buddhist, and current Science, and Medical paradigms.

 

This person's journal jibes with a number of things that I've experienced, so it rings true to me.

 

Further verification for the journal, was from the negative comments thrown your way. If the descriptions given were inaccurate,

then why all the venom? Why not just ignore it? Unless what the person said was true.

 

It tends to always turn into a cultivation version of "West Side Story: Jets vs. Sharks" on here.

 

 

Opinions are many, and in the final analysis, irrelevant. 

 

Do you have a system that you can show actual results from? That's it. Period.

 

Talk don't cook the food.

 

If you can't show it due to school restrictions, that's cool. But don't disparage others who choose to do so.

 

I'll continue to layout what I've learned In my "Energy Cultivator's Handbook" thread.

 

At the end of the day, we're supposed to be here to help each other. That tends to get lost sometimes here.

 

Cheers!

Edited June 23, 2016 by Infolad1

[Jox]

 

I paid over $2,000 for first level Iron Crotch training. Worth every penny. 

But $2,000 is the equivalent of $20,000 Dollars for both me, and most of the people that I know.

 

I have had this IC training in my mind for some time ... from who did you learn that stuff?

[CelibacySeeker]

So you paid 2k dollars to hang weights on your penis? 

[silent thunder]

so how's that oversimplification and aggressive reductionism working out for ya?

[Wells]

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Edited July 1, 2016 by Wells

[Infolad1]

I have had this IC training in my mind for some time ... from who did you learn that stuff?

I learned directly from Grandmaster Tu Jin-Sheng

 

 

From his site: http://mastertu.com/

 

"Jiu Yang Shen Gong is Grandmaster Tu’s unique penis qigong. Jiu means nine. Nine is special number in Chinese numerology because it is the largest of the single digits and after counting to nine, one must return to one. It also refers to the nine major orifices of the body: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus, and genitals. Shen means spirit. Yang is the same Yang in Yin-Yang and Gong is the same Gong in Qigong. This method is based on Bodhidharma’s Shaolin Marrow Washing (xisuigong) and Taoist nine-circle alchemy (daojia jiu zhuan wandansu.) It combines Buddhist and Taoist, as well as internal and external methods. (Emphasis Mine)

 

When Tu puts this in modern scientific terms, he defines the external method as cultivation of the penis while the internal method focuses on increasing hormone production."

 

Pulling planes, and what have you, is marketing. The man has a VERY in-depth system. The 

Swinging, and lifting is first level. From my personal experience, it turbo boosts the process of entering 

Kevala Khumbaka, aka Tai Hsi/Taixi: Spontaneous stoppage of breath, the key for activating the movement of 

the real Yang Qi, and not just the minor movements of wind Qi that most Qigong practitioners get.

 

Grandmaster Tu has three levels. The Iron Crotch training is level one. The levels beyond that take you deeper 

into neidan cultivation, once you've actually got something to work with.

 

He teaches you at the level that you're at, once he assesses you, and then helps you get where you need to go.

 

The initial training is a combination of stretches, specific breathing patterns, the iron crotch training itself, meditation, and striking specific points with a metal broom/striker.

 

Short of pyrokinesis, I've personally seen Master Tu do what John Chang supposedly does ( directing"Electric"Qi.

through people, light body Qigong to stand on a dozen, and a half eggs we just bought, as he paints an ink brush painting

of Laozi, right after chopping a steel bar we got for him from Home Depot into a "V" shape. I could feel the energy coming off of him in waves, as he did it).

 

And he's here in the States, for those willing, and able, to put the money down. Very nice man. Him, and his wife are great people. 

 

If you're going to learn it from someone Jox, learn it from him.

 

Cheers!

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So you paid 2k dollars to hang weights on your penis? 

LOL!   It's a BIT more involved than that CelibacySeeker. 

 

And to be more accurate, you swing, and hang, weights off

the root of the shaft, and scrotum, using a silk/satin cloth, then once

you progress in weight, you swing and hang weights off the shaft.

 

Everyone starts with around 1 lb. I started 6 years ago.

Stopped a couple of times, after 4 years hardcore training (I keep a journal).

 

As of this week, I swing up to 50 lbs, and lift 100 lbs. Due to my stopping a couple of times,

I'm actually behind schedule. I should actually be at 200 lbs. by now. I'll be there by next year.

This type of training is a marathon, not a sprint. 

 

My friend, who's 65, swings 50 lbs. 288 times total, and can probably do 200+ lbs. now

(we have to get 45 lb. plates, and an olympic loading pin, to check).

 

You have to allow time for the ligaments, fascia, and blood vessels to adapt, and for the skin of the

shaft, and scrotum to toughen.

 

You also have to adapt to the energy surges, which get really interesting around 15 lbs. swinging, lifting

50 lbs.

 

There's also an herbal wine that you drink, when you start, to help build the tissues, spleen, and kidney

energy systems.

 

As I said, it's a very complete system. And it works.

 

Cheers!