How do we know what's yin and what's yang . Really.

[TaoMaster]

"so we're simple assigining + and - to all things that exist in the universe ."

 

Why?

 

Any definable collection is a set.

Thus...

Let ' all things that exist in the universe' {T} be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If {T} is not a member of itself, then its definition dictates that it must contain itself, and if it contains itself, then it contradicts its own definition as the set of all sets that are not members of themselves.

 

 

 

As any fule knoe....

{T} cannot be defined.

 

 

 

 

 

ok hold on brah

 

T can not be defined ?

 

are you serious ?

 

link here The universe defined

 

WHY you ask are we asigining + and - ? Pretty sure its just me rather than we HEHE .

 

anywho,

 

If yang and yin aka + and - are in every thing , why not ?

 

if theres more to + and - in the universe then what is it ? im listening

 

any definable collection is a set ?

whats that ? and set of what ?

 

talk to me bro but use sentences that make sense . Please.

[Michael Sternbach]

WHY you ask are we asigining + and - ? Pretty sure its just me rather than we HEHE .

 

Missa, too. I think of Yang and Yin as two opposite forces that balance each other out at 0 (= Wu chi).

[TaoMaster]

Marblehead ,

 

theres alot of mention of the balance between yang and yin on the internet . They can be balanced but its not a requirment . Balance will not last forever but they can be perfectly balanced or not.

 

the sun is what generates the motion of earth. But just because the earth is effected this way does not mean other planets on our system will too. Positive ( yand generates prositive motion and yin generates neg motion .

 

Balance like all things are temporary . when our bodies die, they vanish from existence. When you consider an 80 year life span while comparing it to a trillion years , our bodies instantly apear and then vanish in an instant.

 

When a thing has perfect balance it will last forever and since no thing ever lasts forever, only a temporary balance can be achived.

 

but when comparing a few minutes to 80 years it seems like a long long time for a body to apear and finally vanish a little bit at a time.

 

 

there are many things mentioned about yin yang on the net but very very poorly , Much incorrect too. What most doent realize is that reading about it is not needed to understand it . First hand knowledge is always best and you can discover the truth of yang yin on your own like i did.

[TaoMaster]

Missa, too. I think of Yang and Yin as two opposite forces that balance each other out at 0 (= Wu chi).

I just posted to MH about balance and then read yours. For a thing to exist. it must have both yang and yin . The more balanced the longer it existes and the less , the shorter.

 

When the planet faces sun it gets hot and when it faces away it gets cooler .

 

We all know what happens when hot meets cold. It generates motion . wind is a good example.

 

welp an ya spelled missa worng its spelled ME.

 

Heat rises cold falls. its all yang yin . Usung the planet , space and the sun are a good example but you can use YY ( yang and yin ) as a model and apply it to every thing big or small in the universe.

 

Does this seem unreasonable. or illogical ?

[TaoMaster]

For those who care, practically everything this person says about "how reality works" is not consistent with how things work, and they are often completely backwards. For instance, when you allow opposite poles of two bar magnets to naturally connect, the magnetic field of the new, combined magnet grows stronger but when you force the similar ends of those same magnets together, the fields cancel each other and the resultant field grows weaker.

 

I tried for a while to share with him but he refused to read and said it was all just too confusing (which is apparently proof of a mean-spirited lie, or something) so now I just warn the unsuspecting reader. He is rather entertaining, though!

 

What's that old saying about he who knows not but knows not that he knows not???

 

Hi Brian, whats your take on the universe if not mine , then ?

 

its easy to say im wrong wrong about every thing i say but you dont provide a " correct " version .

 

Im very certain there are others who read my posts that do not share your POV. Very very certain .

 

They may not agree with me in every way but they have enough class to just mark it up as a question yet unsolved, or perhaps they hold it as a possibility .

 

Bashing me like you have doesnt work . It just hurts you more than me but you dont get that ..

 

Your posts are way way way too negative for me to even read . I didnt even finish the second sentence of your post and then ignored the rest.

 

Do you really think others can not think for them self that you need to warn them ?

 

anyway , it is just a distraction , pure trolling. Its so obviouse its funny now thx for the laughs .

 

You afraid of sumthin bro ?

[Michael Sternbach]

I just posted to MH about balance and then read yours. For a thing to exist. it must have both yang and yin . The more balanced the longer it existes and the less , the shorter.

 

An essential insight. In the Western tradition, it is the balance of the four Aristotelian elements (two of them being masculine/Yang, two of them feminine/Yin) which elevates a thing toward Divinity and makes it last. Therefore, the balance of the four humours is considered as the foundation of health in Traditional Western Medicine. And therefore the Philosopher's Stone is matter transformed into a state of perfect balance. Gold comes pretty close to this, in some ways, so it became a symbol of the indestructibility and immortality of the Soul.

 

When the planet faces sun it gets hot and when it faces away it gets cooler .

 

I don't mean to be fussy, but it should be where. Interestingly, a planet always has a diurnal as well as a nocturnal hemisphere. So in this respect, it represents both Yin and Yang at any given time, or the unity of the Tai chi.

 

We all know what happens when hot meets cold. It generates motion . wind is a good example.

 

welp an ya spelled missa worng its spelled ME.

 

Missa speak gungan, Jar Jar Blinks' language.

 

Heat rises cold falls. its all yang yin . Usung the planet , space and the sun are a good example but you can use YY ( yang and yin ) as a model and apply it to every thing big or small in the universe.

 

Does this seem unreasonable. or illogical ?

 

Missa no care!

[IntuitiveWanderer]

Yin is 0 and Yang is 1

 

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Edited December 15, 2014 by IntuitiveWanderer

[Michael Sternbach]

Yin is 0 and Yang is 1

 

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It can be. It can also be -1 and +1. Depends.

[IntuitiveWanderer]

It can be. It can also be -1 and +1. Depends.

 

Hmmmm, yep. If there can be degrees of non-existence then yes

 

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Fun irellevancy:

I have read a long time ago that Lewis Carroll actually wrote alice in wonderland as a satire about abstract mathematics or something of that sort.

edit:

I think the correct term is "symbolic mathematics"... anyway, found an article about it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07bayley.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Edited December 15, 2014 by IntuitiveWanderer

[Michael Sternbach]

Hmmmm, yep. If there can be degrees of non-existence then yes

 

Existence and what you call non-existence are themselves another manifestation of Yang and Yin. However, regarding the latter, I would rather speak of negative existence than non-existence. Only 0 is truly nil.

 

_______________

Fun irellevancy:

I have read a long time ago that Lewis Carroll actually wrote alice in wonderland as a satire about abstract mathematics or something of that sort.

edit:

I think the correct term is "symbolic mathematics"... anyway, found an article about it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07bayley.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

Thanks. I will look at it as soon as I have the time. Sorta busy writing posts at the moment.

[Michael Sternbach]

The nature of things is uncreate, unchanging,
Fundamentally pure, like space:
So also is the purity of nature of buddhas -
Their fundamental nature is not a nature, is beyond being and nonbeing.

 

Avatamsaka Sutra, p. 980.

 

According to this, true nonbeing is a state even beyond existence and non-existence, or the Wu chi that is beyond Yin and Yang, or the 0 between +1 and -1, the origin of all numbers.

 

Thus, from another perspective, there could indeed be levels of non- or negative existence. The Kabbalah knows three: Ain, Ain soph and Ain soph aur (The Eternal Light).

 

Thanks for the quote, Manitou.

[Brian]

<snip>

I didnt even finish the second sentence of your post and then ignored the rest.

<snip>

 

 

LOL Yeah, noticed that before...

 

I enjoy reading your "yang yin theory" posts but, as a public service, I choose to pop in occasionally when you try to talk about light or gravity or magnets or electricity or that sort of stuff because you pretty consistently get it all backasswards. Not gonna bother to try to explain it to you any longer -- I've tried that repeatedly, patiently and in great detail (even going out of my way to avoid math) and you chose to ignore me, repeatedly. Apparently, me attempting to describe some basic physics in non-technical language is too negative for you to even bother to read so I won't bother to try to explain it to you.

 

In fairness, the old proverb I alluded to is only partially correct. You are really more like a kid who got a shiny new hammer for Christmas and now thinks everything is a nail. Nothing particularly wrong with that, mind you -- we all do it! At some point, though, you may decide to empty that cup. If you do, you may want to dig out some of my earlier explanatory posts to you, or ask fresh questions to help you figure out how your theories are disconnected from the behavior of the mundane world which surrounds us.

[IntuitiveWanderer]

Avatamsaka Sutra, p. 980.

 

According to this, true nonbeing is a state even beyond existence and non-existence, or the Wu chi that is beyond Yin and Yang, or the 0 between +1 and -1, the origin of all numbers.

 

Thus, from another perspective, there could indeed be levels of non- or negative existence. The Kabbalah knows three: Ain, Ain soph and Ain soph aur (The Eternal Light).

 

I would argue that beyond being and non-being means beyond abstraction. Non-existence cannot be so it would be ridiculous to say that it is beyond non-existence.

 

 

This would also fit into the general context...

 

I have never witnessed such a thing as -1 in my life, it also seems illogical for there to be such a thing as -1...but maybe I am wrong

Edited December 15, 2014 by IntuitiveWanderer

[Michael Sternbach]

I would argue that beyond being and non-being means beyond abstraction. Non-existence cannot be so it would be ridiculous to say that it is beyond non-existence.

 

This would also fit into the general context...

 

It would be advisable that, for the time being, you try to think of non-existence (or "zero existence") as something essentially different from negative existence. Steiner's concept of negative space gives as a clue here.

[IntuitiveWanderer]

It would be advisable that, for the time being, you try to think of non-existence (or "zero existence") as something essentially different from negative existence. Steiner's concept of negative space gives as a clue here.

 

I get it, you mean negative space is like a void (that needs to be filled?)..but what would then differentiate void from plain nothing? The void is plain nothing. -1 would be more than a void, "emptier than void"...

 

I mean, in that book the guy is bewildered by the loss of his wife who wants to leave him, and the subsequent desire that her confession arouses in him amplifies that feeling of loss, and that intense feeling of loss which he felt because of unfulfiled desire is what is refered to as "negative space".

Edited December 15, 2014 by IntuitiveWanderer

[Michael Sternbach]

I get it, you mean negative space is like a void (that needs to be filled?)..but what would then differentiate void from plain nothing? The void is plain nothing. -1 would be more than a void, "emptier than void"...

 

I mean, in that book the guy is bewildered by the loss of his wife who wants to leave him, and the subsequent desire that her confession arouses in him amplifies that feeling of loss, and that intense feeling of loss which he felt because of unfulfiled desire is what is refered to as "negative space".

 

Exactly. Negative space is less than nothing, it's a void. In the analogy you found in your novel, it's the void that woman left in the man's life. Whereas non-existence would simply mean that the bitch had never been a part of his life in the first place.

 

Talking about the level of physics again, negative space is linked with negative time (which flows from the future to the past), and with negative energy (which can be created by "quantum squeezing").

[TaoMaster]

It can be. It can also be -1 and +1. Depends.

or it can be this too

 

.... .. / -... .-. .. .- -. / ..-. ..- -.-. -.- / --- ..-. ..-. / .-.. --- .-.. however the / symbol is the neg space between each word and can be removed. Then it will be simple yang and yin

[TaoMaster]

Exactly. Negative space is less than nothing, it's a void. In the analogy you found in your novel, it's the void that woman left in the man's life. Whereas non-existence would simply mean that the bitch had never been a part of his life in the first place. Talking about the level of physics again, negative space is linked with negative time (which flows from the future to the past), and with negative energy (which can be created by "quantum squeezing").

the way I see it Michael, the future comes first, then present time , then the past . Its the positive flow of the universe in an outward direction. Past to future is the neg flow and inward direction. Yin. The past and future are what i consider to be what generates present time between the two .

 

when a child is born , it comes from the future into the present and then past last.

 

when a letter arrives in your post box , it came from the future, Its not a thing from the past that you just noticed today after its been there for the weekend. when you walk to the post box you are walking into the future to get your letter . even though its been there for a week or two in the past . Past and future = existence. They are simply two poles of the same item, existance. You wont fing anything that does exist witout a past and future , The future is OUT and the past is IN yang and yin respectivly.

 

Every thing without exception comes from the future. ( yang ) We are here now and will join every thing else in the past into vanishment. Even though it may seem for many that the future has not come yet but it will some day . The future is all there all ready but we just dont realize it or I should say many dont realize that . existence is here and the past and future are both parts that generate matter , energy and sensations. Existence is just + and -. Some times a little more + and some times a little more -

 

the -1 concept is not an idea ive ever considered. +1 -1 still yang and yin, inverted or not . without the + and - its just 1

 

-1 seems more like a vacuum of sorts. where the absence of 1 is just 0 yin, nothing, and 1 yang, something . This negative space is like the mouth putting pressure ( neg space ) on the planet from all sides simutainiously. Only theres nothing there, no mouth . Like space has pressure in a negative vaccum kind of way . Then theres the space between you and me that has no vaccum .

 

I should have been a little more descriptive, but less than no thing ? nothing? not really convinced of that . Perhaps nothing is a vaccum. a thing is there or its not

 

if its not there then ( for me ) it doesnt exist. If i say ok its not here on my table its in the car , it still does not exist unti i see it first hand, The thought i generated of the item in the car is all that exists. ( but again this is how I see it and you probally will not ever meet anyone who sees it like I do . ) Im not changing my POV on the matter no matter who says what

 

+ and - can flow in either direction . Like a ping pong game it starts with the server+ and then the opponant- hits it back. But it will always without exception start at + which generates matter, energy and sensations, and finally - or " no thing " Its outward like the planet as + pushing out while the neg space holds it in place .

 

interior is yin and exterior yang

 

"out of body" is yang and "in a body" is yin .

 

From a spirutal POV every thing is YIN ( the effect ) and life is Yang ( effects cause. ) but life is a no thing so well whada ya know. its a neg , or ...... i just said it was a pos... life is neither , Life is the WHO that puts all the neg and pos there .

[TaoMaster]

some interesting ( for me ) text on yang and yin . I agree with almost all of it .

Id share the link but this text is not at the top of the page so I just cut and paste it in the post

 

Yin and yang respectively.

 

Cut meaning to remore or make less of and paste is yang or "to put" and make more of .

 

the benifits of understanding whats yang and whats yin are for me everything I need to know. From there I can further understand anything I want to know. Understanding is Yang and when any yang attribute increases the rest do to and as an additional benefit, Yin decreases to the same degree. its a win win upward spiril effect . Yang attracts other yangs and yins attract other yins.

 

quote from unknown author below

What is Yin and Yang?

Creation can be considered as an organization of the primal energy.
This organization is a polarization of the primal energy of creation
into two distinct states of being. The aggressive aspect of creation
(yang) appears to occur first, the polarization implies the presence
of its complement. Its complement can be view as the receptive aspect
of creation (yin). Therefore, consider the act of creation as an
outward expansion of the primal energy from a center such as the black
hole. However, there has to be a counterbalancing and contractive
force in order for organization to occur.

The aggressive action of yang is like that of centrifugal force.
Centrifugal force tends to pull outward from a rotating center. The
action of yin is like that of centripetal force. Centripetal force
tends to pull inward or toward the center of a rotating center. This
implies that these forces must be equally in balance in order for
creation to exist. Otherwise, energy would either disperse itself into
nothingness or disappear into the center.

Once again we can perceive the interconnectedness of all creation,
because the balance of these two forces is illustrated by the model of
the atom. The electrons that rotate around the nucleus of the atom at
the speed of light would tend to propel themselves out of their orbit
if they were not counterbalanced by the force of the protons which
attract the electrons to the center. If the electrons were to leave
their orbit, the atom woulddisintegrate. Therefore, in keeping with
the metaphysical view of interconnectedness of creation, on a larger
scale, this principle functions to hold together the solar system, the
galaxies of the universe and all the Universal Laws.

It is said that the nature of yin and yang was first recognized by Fu
Shi between six to eight thousand years ago. He formulated twelve
principles of yin/yang which provide an explanation of the laws of
nature which govern the universe and all of its laws. These principles
are given below. That which produces and composes the universe is Tao,
the undivided oneness or ultimate nothingness. Tao polarizes itself:
yang becomes the active pole of the cosmos, yin becomes the solidified
pole. Yang and yin are opposites, and each accomplishes the other.

All beings and things in the universe are complex aggregates of
universal energy composed of infinitely varying proportions of yin and
yang. All beings and things are in a dynamic state of change and
transformation; nothing in the universe is absolutely static or
completed; all is in unceasing motion because polarization, the source
of being, is without beginning and without end. Yin and yang attract
one another.

Nothing is entirely yin or entirely yang; all phenomena are composed
of both yin and yang. Nothing is neutral. All phenomena are composed
of unequal proportions of yin and yang. The force of attraction
between yin and yang is greater when the difference between them is
greater, and smaller when it is smaller. Like activities repel one
another. The closer the similarity between two entities of the same
polarity, the greater the repulsion. At the extremes of development,
yin produces yang and yang produces yin. All beings are yang in the
center and yin on the surface. Yang means the active spirit, yin means
the physical body. On other occasions, yang means apparent and yin
means hidden.

According to the principles, the actions of yin and yang apply to
every facet of life. The polar aspects of the yin and yang are
expressions of everything that exists in our universe. Hence, the yin
and yang can be seen as the essence of all Universal Laws, which of
course includes the Law of Attraction.

[TaoMaster]

Hi Brian, haaaaay, hiiiii, LOL, ever play cross word puzzles ?

its a game you can play solo but its really like putting a puzzle together . Not much of a game and Ive never completed a whole puzzle. Boring for me .....

anyways, you can do the dual package exercise thing or what ever you want to call it like a game of scrabble. But rather than putting words in a box , you are assigning + or - to each word definition ,

the words you have trouble defining can be revisited later and solved.

many many many words mean the same thing but spelled differently or spelled the same with different meanings.

Be sure you have each word correct.

the benefits of the exercise will be revealed as you go and you'll notice slight and huge benefits as you go as well . The only practical way for me to reveal the benefits ( what they are ) is for you to do the exercises. You really can not explain the true benefits. Its like telling some one to be more aware, in control , knowledgeable, happy . That doesn't work . It must be done on your own .

we all have differences in awareness so what you may not be aware of, others may and vice versa. But I will tell you that you will become more aware and increase IQ as you do the exercises correctly in ways you do not have the ability to even come close to imagining in present time. I shirt thee not .

The goal is to increase yang attributes and lower yin attributes, resulting in a higher ability and less inability to increase yang and decrease yin which in turn results in , wait I just said that , well you know . Higher ability and more awareness.

You'll know exactly what I mean when you get well into the exercise.

Heres a little analogy

take two puzzles each with thousands of pieces , half yang and half yin .

Dump both boxes of pieces on the table and mix them all together

one box is a complete picture and so is the other box but one box has only yang pieces and the other only yin pieces.

now you've got a huge mess to sort out . Its called the messy universe.

There is yang and yin around us every day and its all mixed up tossed around misdefined and well you know , its crazy out there some days . Nobody seems to really know what the heck is going on , where we came from , where we are going etc etc etc .
Its a mixed up world for sure. Murderers, ripoffs, haters , bully's and well, you know .

each piece looks allot like all the others but under close examination , you notice the yang pieces and the yins . Each one , one at a time and you move it left or right depending on what it is ,

You put all the yin pieces on one side and all the yangs on the other side , then put the puzzles together to make two whole completed puzzles and pictures. One all yang and the other all yin .

now you can see the complete picture side by side simultaneously, the universe is now all sorted out in two perfectly organized puzzles.

Thats pretty much the whole dealio yo.

if you have any troubles , let me know , im here to help its a yang attribute after all . Helping...... and it attracts yang attributes from others too . Its Karma Bro. I used to think Karma was a buncha crap . its not .

im scratching my head as to how Brian is involved in all this . Hmmmm I guess i still need to resolve a few things still. LOL

You will not be eliminating duality in the objective universe , Its all subjective but youll be amazed none the less. youll be organizing it, increasing ability and all of the yang attributes as you go . Its thee most powerful process ive ever ever used and the only one ill ever use. Im certain its from past life and goes with me from lifetime to life time . It all " came back to me " like a lost memory last Feb as you know so ya its a past life thing .

when forming dual packages , you do not use two negatives like unhate or unafraid, or unsad, sad and not sad, undown , not bad you always use the positive first then neg . Happy sad smile frown , up down live die life death up down . etc.

dude you'll know all about past lives future lives , bullcrap , lies truth and things that will amaze you in ways that will be mind blowing . Literally .

The down side ok Im not gonna hold out on you .

The down side ? Others will seem incredibly mixed up , illogical , afraid stupid and ignorant out of control in comparison to you and the awareness you will have and that in itself has some down side consequences. Youll notice the yang tributes in others as well and its very refreshing at that .

You'll know exactly what to avoid and what to get more of in life too.

This is the true TAO , it can not be defined in words , IT MUST be accomplished on ones own. You can not tell someone the TAO.

Brian is a good example of that . LOL But you cant tell anyone , not just My bro Bri Bri

This is what makes me a tao master , Not buyin it ? I don't care Couldn't care less. Half of you wont and you know who you are. , They are the YINs of society Both male and female.. The other half YANGS will do very well . You'll know exactly why too. The YINS will not , they are yin after all and they tend to be attracted to other yin attributes.

I didn't read about tao or dao to become a master , I became a master and then ( or just recently ) read about it but very very little .

Its a past life thingy , lost in the past and recently recovered after using the exercise............. and im only getting started.

Ive done this countless times though , life times and when i say countless , its pretty much infinity countless. But a little different each time.

One thing Ive noticed is that our past lives are pretty much the same way over and over and over , same schools, parents, sisters,stores, ipads, internet, football songs, tv shows, Im sure you've heard history repeats itself , well that's EXACTLY what it does, but slightly different

You'll also have a heightened sense of being outside your body and no its not a parlor trick Its very very true . Hugely noticeable the first time and then not so much after that . You get used to it . But its a very very good thing and state to be in always. Its a yang attribute too needless to say . Yang goes outward and yin goes in .

anyways that's it for now

consider the package delivered and have a nice day . I will be having many .

Edited December 16, 2014 by TaoMaster

[TaoMaster]

more on out of body awareness.

 

yang + goes out and yin- goes inward.

 

when a life form is born it starts small and grows outward in every direction .

 

when the planet was born so to speak , ( its a plant life form BTW ) it too started out small and has grown

 

or enlarged like blowing air into a balloon it too grows out in every direction .

 

The freakin universe is a life form and it too is growing outward in all directions go figure .

 

If you reduce the volume of the planet it will in fact ( like removing air from a balloon ) it will not have any

 

water on the surface and it will all fit back together as one piece . No continents , just a ball of solid

 

material in the shape of a ball . When it grew it broke apart to form all the continents we have now and

 

shes still growing . She waters herself too and gets plenty of sunlight each day like all other plants on her.

 

The waters from the oceans are evaporated and then dumped all over town., land and sea.

 

humans and other animals have micro life forms on our body's we can not see with our eyeballs. We are

 

the micro life forms to the planet . Small life forms living on a host life form.

 

These are just some of the examples of heightened awareness you'll soon have . You wont read about this

 

stuff you'll be looking for it on the internet AFTER you become aware of it to see if others are also aware of

 

it . You'll be amazed.

 

You'll also be very aware of spiritual existence and know your are totally spiritual in nature and merely

 

have a body , and youll be aware of it remotely and not be the body like so many do .

Edited December 16, 2014 by TaoMaster

[TaoMaster]

yang and yin are an argument of sort .

 

yang is always the originator and yin the receipt of that origin.

 

yang says yes and yin says no to yes in some way .

 

Yin can not say no to a thing that has not been yanged first .

 

It would be like you walking up to someone and just telling them NO , They would be like , " no" ?, what are you talking about ? ( yin )

 

when the guy asks what are you talking about , hes telling you, the 1st guy, he doesnt understand . Not undestandings is YIN and the guy ( you ) who just walked up to say NO is actually yang because he started the convo with the word NO .

 

so origination is everything and the reply or responce is like the opponant of a game who hits the ball back . Hes YIN.

 

if you have a cup in your hand and you show the cup to another who says thats not a cup you now have the cup ( yang ) and not a cup ( yin )

 

cup+><-not cup

 

horse+><-not horse.

 

any other thing other than a cup or a horse is yin to those yangs.

 

the same cups or the same horse complements the originations while any thing other than opposes

 

complement is always yang and oppose is always yin .

 

this is why we work with opposites in the exercise . Theres no need to address complements. They are Yang

 

So yang and yin do both complement and oppose.

 

they complete each other and oppose and a thing now exists.

 

when a person say i like your shoes, they complement you on it

 

but if they say the shoes are not shoes they like to wear, they are in opposition.

 

when a person sincerely complements you, you feel good and oppose you do not .

 

so where is all this going ?

 

Hows knowing all this going to help you find a parking spot close to the entrance door at the shopping mall ?

 

I guess this is what is meant by " unspoken" I cant tell you . you need to travel the route and use the exercise yourself.

 

I can tell you this as its pretty obviouse. You will have a betterunderstanding about life and the universe is ways almost no one on the planet will. That will add to your own list of personal yang attributes.

 

knowing is yang

 

not knowing is yin .

 

you can literally understand everything there is to understand about life and the universe .

 

is that an asset or what ?

 

 

[RiverSnake]

The question in the title is flawed. What's yin and what's yang? There is no such thing, there are relative gradiations of yin and yang. You can only grade by comparison. Water is Yang compared to Ice. Fire is yin compared to the heat of the sun....its relative and one is within the other.

Edited December 17, 2014 by OldChi

[vonkrankenhaus]

There are many ways of seeing yinyang. We can look at yinyang of "things". We can look at the yinyang of "processes". We can look at the "effect". We could look at the "direction".

 

Yinyang is a form of dialectic thought, but since it is rooted in an understanding of the bifurcation of "oneness", we could also call this a sort of "dialectic monism". One, Two, Three, and so forth.

 

The way these things are expressed, both from source-to-source and within one source, are often inconsistent.

 

A large part of the inconsistency is due to appropriation of ideas from one source to another without true regard to context.

 

One example I have seen is that when people coming from TCM, for example, will normally categorize "Heaven" as "yang" and Earth as "yin". People coming from studying, for example, macrobiotics will normally categorize "Heaven" as "yin" and Earth as "yang". So I have seen "taoist" authors such as Mantak Chia (among many others) referring to Heaven as yang - until they start writing about "diet" - where they suddenly start referring to Heaven as "yin", like macrobiotics - and possibly this is simply because they have grafted their diet ideas from macrobiotics without truly reading them.

 

Do they understand the reasons for the differences in classifying between the two (among others) systems of thought?

 

I would be interested in having a detailed dialog about yinyang classifications and expressions to explore the different ways various groups and people have taken up in seeing and applying yinyang understanding.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[TaoMaster]

The question in the title is flawed. What's yin and what's yang? There is no such thing, there are relative gradiations of yin and yang. You can only grade by comparison. Water is Yang compared to Ice. Fire is yin compared to the heat of the sun....its relative and one is within the other.

Hi join the group , thx for the comment . Relativity you speak of IS the illusion . You don't see that because illusions say the truth is not the truth.

 

if up is yang and down is yin that's it no more. sure there can always be a higher up or a lower down , I understand that.

 

we are in a dual law universe , not a infinite law universe.

 

all laws are derived from a set of two...... yang and yin . period . Not yin yang bing bang whoop duty whoop whoop tooty fruity get er done. .

 

I see what you mean but you don't see what i mean . If you did you'd be like oh ok .

 

look at it like a piano with Major ( yang ) and Minor ( yin keys ). There are many different sounding tones between them but all of them are either major or minor . Even if they sound different. Yang and yin are that way too . There are trillions of these different tones in the universe but lets call them things and actions causes and effects. But like the piana its still either yang or yin .

 

all majors relate to majors and minors minor. The ONLY relation between the two is that they are both on the same piano.

 

 

 

When you say there are no such things as yang and yin and then say there are gradations , you are in conflict with your own statements.

 

 

 

Yes there are degrees of yang and yin like lover and like. Like is a lesser degree of love but both are still YANG.

 

 

 

You can be very very concerned or a little concerned but both are still YIN.

 

 

 

if two men standing side by side are both yand just because one of the men and taller ( yang ) and one is shorter ( yin ) does not make one of the men yin and the taller man yang . It just means one man is more yang than then other man .

 

 

 

You can use the same logic on females Yin .

Edited December 17, 2014 by TaoMaster