Befriending Money

[Apech]

I give money in exchange for cheese.

 

Be cautious when doing this, caerphilly does it.

[Marblehead]

Can't say I have ever eaten that cheese. I read up on it and would probably like it but wouldn't go out of my way to get any.

[Brian]

If anyone here wishes to liberate themselves from their money I can make a deposit account in my name available which will help them relieve the tension of holding on to cash.

Drat!

 

Why didn't I think of that first???

[Brian]

 

To play on what you said before, money is a method of creating a "cling free" exchange.

 

Sometimes when things are given for "free" there is an assumption that there is no actual "exchange" occurring on both sides and that by giving giving for "free" disowns any responsibility or "debt" on both sides.

 

IME this is not so....there is always an exchange whether it is overt or subtle. Things that come for "free" are usually not "free"....they can often "cling" in deeper ways than we realize....depending on the nature of what is being given.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Indeed.

 

Marketing is an interesting branch of applied psychology, I think.

[Anoesjka]

Balance is the keyword, as usual. (A positive one, preferably)

Edited August 20, 2014 by Anoesjka

[manitou]

I'm with Brian and Spotless. Stuck energy is all it is. Work in abeyance.

[C T]

Edited August 20, 2014 by C T

[Marblehead]

Warning to men: Never tell a woman you have lots of money. Won't be long you won't have any money.

[Anoesjka]

Warning to men: Never tell a woman you have lots of money. Won't be long you won't have any money.

Aaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

[GrandmasterP]

A man worked in a post office. His job was to process all mail that had illegible addresses. One day a letter came to his desk, addressed in a shaky handwriting to God.

He thought, 'I better open this one and see what it's all about.' So he opened it and it read:

'Dear God, I am an 83 year old widow living on a very small pension. Yesterday someone stole my purse. It had a hundred pounds in it which was all the money I had until my next pension cheque.

'Next Sunday is Easter, and I had invited two of my friends over for dinner. Without that money, I have nothing to buy food with.

'I have no family to turn to, and you are my only hope. Can you please help me?'

The postal worker was touched, and went around showing the letter to all the others. Each of them dug into his wallet and came up with a few pounds.

By the time he made the rounds, he had collected £96, which they put into an envelope and sent over to her. The rest of the day, all the workers felt a warm glow thinking of the nice thing they had done.

Easter came and went, and a few days later came another letter from the old lady to God. All the workers gathered around while the letter was opened. It read:

'Dear God, How can I ever thank you enough for what you did for me?

'Because of your generosity, I was able to fix a lovely dinner for my friends. We had a very nice day, and I told my friends of your wonderful gift.

'By the way, there was £4 missing. It was no doubt those thieving b*****s at the post office.'

Edited August 20, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Money is good in concept and theory, beneficial to those who have it.

Incidentally, if you have no money, you have nothing, and that is an enforced circumstance, not a natural one, derrived from the demand of there being a prerequisite payment for anything you need or desire.

Poverty is a byproduct of the wide misuse of a tool (money), stemming from the mass acquisition of it.

The sahara desert was once a lush, fertile, garden of eden until all the water was diverted to farmland.
The united states was once a prosperous land of opportunity until all the money was diverted to taxation and corporate welfare.

[thelerner]

I think the Sahara turned into desert over 3000 years ago due to climate change, not the hand of man (though there were people there). I think the United States of the 1700s and 1800s had massive poverty. It just went unnoticed because it was the norm. People worked on farms. Hard work and for many almost subsistence. Work was long hours, 6 days a week for very little money. People died because there was no safety rules and shear exhaustion. In 1700's and 1800's clean water was a luxury.

 

Much as you dislike taxation and corporations they pay for the social programs the welfare, foodstamps, educational loans and 100's of programs that assist the poor that didn't exist back then. I'm looking for statistics, without luck, to see how poverty rates have changed.

 

Ofcourse poor means different things. There was a time poor would literally be in danger of starving.

[GrandmasterP]

I'd say money and me are more 'aquaintances' than we are 'friends'.

A real friend sticks around.

Edited August 22, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

I think the Sahara turned into desert over 3000 years ago due to climate change, not the hand of man (though there were people there). I think the United States of the 1700s and 1800s had massive poverty. It just went unnoticed because it was the norm. People worked on farms. Hard work and for many almost subsistence. Work was long hours, 6 days a week for very little money. People died because there was no safety rules and shear exhaustion. In 1700's and 1800's clean water was a luxury.

 

Much as you dislike taxation and corporations they pay for the social programs the welfare, foodstamps, educational loans and 100's of programs that assist the poor that didn't exist back then. I'm looking for statistics, without luck, to see how poverty rates have changed.

 

Ofcourse poor means different things. There was a time poor would literally be in danger of starving.

 

 

Cant spot the irony?

 

Here, let me help you:

 

The aboriginal and tribal people have/had far lower percentages of equity problems, much less quantity outright. Life was sacred, and death as well. (nevermind that all natural processes and things are sacred!) welfare wasnt some sort of burden, but the basic human righteousness to ensure your fellow people were not faring off any less than you were.

 

 

BUT instead, we have everyone wants power, glory, greatness, and control, and that wouldnt exist without poverty and welfare handouts afforded by the rich and powerful.

 

 

Nah, no irony there, eh? nevermind, guess i dont know what im talking about.

[thelerner]

I get it, i get it.

like you, I'd welcome a flatter society. Don't know about aboriginal, but think I'd welcome a more European socialist economic model. Course the devils in the details.

Edited August 22, 2014 by thelerner

[GrandmasterP]

Socialism has its upsides.

For all its faults our ( socialist-model) National Health Service ensures that no one has to go into debt to fund medical bills as they do in some countries.

Edited August 22, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

tribals dont have debt. that's the highest pinacle any society could ever dream to achieve.

[thelerner]

Debt isn't always that bad. You can save up for 30 years to buy a house, say from the age of 25 to 55, then buy it, or take on debt and have a place to live in while you pay it back at relatively low rates. Not that different with a car. Ofcourse its a double edge sword that has to be used intelligently but the ability to borrow can help people live better.

 

If we're talking American Indian tribes they may very well have debt in order to fund major projects for the betterment of the tribe. Improved roads, better schools, better housing etc.,

 

Its easy to idealize a primitive life but imo its a very hard one to live. God bless indoor plumbing, refrigeration, these things aren't just conveniences they save lives.

Edited August 23, 2014 by thelerner

[TAXICAT]

It's a lot more comfortable to cultivate in a house than in a cave!

[Marblehead]

... but think I'd welcome a more European socialist economic model. Course the devils in the details.

Even that system isn't doing as well as the supporters say it is.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Debt isn't always that bad. You can save up for 30 years to buy a house, say from the age of 25 to 55, then buy it, or take on debt and have a place to live in while you pay it back at relatively low rates. Not that different with a car. Ofcourse its a double edge sword that has to be used intelligently but the ability to borrow can help people live better.

 

If we're talking American Indian tribes they may very well have debt in order to fund major projects for the betterment of the tribe. Improved roads, better schools, better housing etc.,

 

Its easy to idealize a primitive life but imo its a very hard one to live. God bless indoor plumbing, refrigeration, these things aren't just conveniences they save lives.

 

Lacking a house is a society indebted to the individual, not the ass backwards way around that "normal" societies relate to; that you are born with nothing and owe the "haves" your time and effort to be in possession of anything more than your body.

 

God forbid you ever recieve handouts and arent grateful that you're starving in the street with nothing but what you've been given; ungrateful.

 

Oh, its much harder to LIVE an 'idealized primitive life" when you are facing enforced ownership and manipulation of resources.

 

 

Oh how much easier it would be if no one had the right to inhibit anyone else's access to naturally forming resources like nuts, fruits, berries, and herbs.

Oh how much easier it would be if no one had any right to lay claim to ownership and manipulation for the sake of fictional value profits by suppression of the cannabis hemp plant and all its infinite uses.

 

One could live a very healthy life off of hemp and almost nothing else than hemp; for food, building material, medicine, and clothing.

 

But oh, no one can profit off of the person who does all their necessary work for free. because poverty is better as it guarantees someone else gets to be rich.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

I think the Sahara turned into desert over 3000 years ago due to climate change, not the hand of man (though there were people there). I think the United States of the 1700s and 1800s had massive poverty. It just went unnoticed because it was the norm. People worked on farms. Hard work and for many almost subsistence. Work was long hours, 6 days a week for very little money. People died because there was no safety rules and shear exhaustion. In 1700's and 1800's clean water was a luxury.

 

If i am not mistaken, the Earth is a Whole Unit, and anything that mankind does to alter the environment will be, in return, altered in natural ways as well through compensative climate change...

 

I could be wrong, but i would put my life on it, that the earth is constantly compensating for all-elements of infliction; be they solar radiation or human farming. The earth is constantly seeking to hold on to some semblance of balance, and we're here paying no heed to the earth's natural and healthy state of balance and worrying, instead, about indoor plumbing and diversion of water into plastic bottles after 'purifying' (usually with chemical contamination, ironically) and charging other humans for their bare basic survival.

 

We stopped physically evolving when we started trying to adapt our environment to us, instead of adapting ourselves to our environment. Ironically, we dont seem to have realized that no matter how intellectually evolved we are, we're still destroying our planet and inherently ourselves with it.

 

(not to get all Jhon Carter from Mars on you, but YEAHHHWHAT)

[BaguaKicksAss]

It's a lot more comfortable to cultivate in a house than in a cave!

 

Oh I don't know about that... https://www.google.ca/search?q=off+grid+cave+houses&client=firefox-a&hs=xNS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fnv5U7rBL-a8igKQ54CAAg&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=729&bih=317

[BaguaKicksAss]

Warning to men: Never tell a woman you have lots of money. Won't be long you won't have any money.

 

A very old and worn out negative stereotype.

Edited August 24, 2014 by BaguaKicksAss

[oildrops]

I've always had an iffy relationship with money. In recent time I have placed an unwavering value on my time and labor. If that value is not there, my time goes to other sources of value, and isn't wasted on projects or employment that aren't mutually beneficial. Frugality, lack of status symbol mentality buying everything second hand, and food stamps allow me to live with some freedom to escape servitude. Working for corporate America or serving the yuppies that make real money from it is bad energy in the bank.