UNDENIABLE PROOF: BELGIAN UFO WAVE

[Nungali]

UFOs certainly seem to exist but are we sure about Belgium? France, Germany, Holland ... yes ... but that little bit in between can we be sure its not just some kind of cartographic illusion ... a map makers joke? I think I need more convincing proof.

 

You have hit on an interesting point ... Belgium may not exist but Belgians do !

 

Okay I am going out on a limb here and may expose myself to ridicule but ..... I have met one!

 

Yes. I had a 'close encounter' with a Belgian ! And thats not my trip ... it was his. I mean, I thought he was Dutch and when I referred to him as such, he went off and insisted he was Belgian.

 

Here is a rundown; strange in appearance, thin, wispy with a half formed goatee, slightly painful whining vocal / nasal voice. Although claimed to be Belgian, he ran a 'Dutch Coffee House' that specialised in 'Belgian waffles' (and to this day I cannot see those two words without hearing that voice. Other traits were; did not like to depart with money ... even when it was wages, insisted the waffles be made according to his recipe, but would not reveal it. Fed the left over leg of pork to his companion (that went around in the guise of an annoying, yapping lap dog), then complained to me that there was no pork the next day. Built little shelves for endless collections of nic-nacs and miniature windmills and clogs and built ornate range hoods over the cooking equipment that were not connected to vents or fans. Did have a wife but she left him and then started to procure waitresses that looked like a young version of her. Had to have the laws and customs of our planet explained to him by me, in the area of workplace sexual harassment. Had occasional moments of compassion (about himself) and complained and admitted that he actually was a lonely alien in a country where no one understood him eg. 'Whats the point of being so successful and rich if I dont have any friends " <opens and starts drinking another bottle of wine> .... " for example; I have this yacht moored out at the harbour - what's the point, , I have no one to help me take it out. ... it needs a crew of at least 2 . I wish I had never come here. "

 

Feeling sorry at his predicament (while the voice of reason inside my head is yelling 'Noooo!' ) I offered. "I will help you take it out one day then." Only to be met with him stabbing his finger at me and yelling " Ha! You only want to be friends so you can go out in my boat! Well , you can just forget about that! "

 

I must admit, whoever they are, and where ever they are from they have this one thing that is pretty good.

 

Cherry beer. ... Yep, Belgian beer - ingredients; cherries, sugar, water, thats it. In little bottles. Great stuff. I 'scored' about 3 cases of it

 

He eventually left the area .... I guess he set up a 'coffee house' somewhere else

 

[bluefire]

 

If UFOs are a billion years more advanced than our technology, why would the pilots be so crap at flying them, e.g. Roswell?

 

[Nungali]

He doesn't end up on the "nuts and bolts" side of the fence, which is why I like that chapter. In that respect I agree, and I think Trevor James Constable, Jacques Vallée and John Keel also regard the phenomena as more elusive. If UFOs are a billion years more advanced than our technology, why would the pilots be so crap at flying them, e.g. Roswell? Also, the Scribe is quite entertaining. Who knows what would have happened if Whitley Strieber had kept a shotgun loaded with armour-piercing ammunition by his bedside?

 

It doesnt work that way. That is outa the zone.

 

How many times have you heard this story; :" ..... then they beamed me up to the space ship, put me on an operating table and started to gather around me with their instruments .... so i thought, fuck this! I jumped up and punched out the nearest one, kicked the other one in his ball and grabbed a piece of metal to use as a weapon." ?

 

Or any type of similar remotely connected response? - barring the old space movies earth hero ... he punches out the alien, one way or another, but it is not part of a 'contact scenario '. This is one way that the experience can be compared with a type of shamanic experience. The shaman, in his initiation, is, in a similar way, helpless, quiet weird and terrible things happen to them; organs are removed and replaced with crystals and bones of iron. In shamanism its partially about a rite of destruction and transformation. It may be painful and terrifying, but it isn't resited.

 

For the approach of the loaded shotgun ... read the myths of Hercules ( and his 'almighty club' ) for a story about what happens when one tries to take the resisting ego along on the shamanic journey, the ego that is not nullified or 'killed' at the beginning, but storms through the experience subjugating the processes and beings that are taking place in his initiation with violence, thus failing. he is not admitted to the interior rites, does not achieve his initiation ( having a 'lesser mystery' set up just due to him) .

 

Its all intertwined.

 

People wont be able to figure this process out as long as they try to 'cure' it with the 'wrong medicine'. That is, it is just one type of (in socio-cultural context) manifestation of a 'Daimonic event ' (generated by peoples soul / imaginative needs ) , these type of events, although known and accepted all through human history are now doubted with the modern mind that his highly conditioned by such things as Cartesian Dualism . So much so, that people that are 'open minded' or people that want to believe in such things, still are trying to understand them within that Cartesian framework .... exactly like this 'seer' chap was writing in his lists of what UFOs might be.

 

on p 61 -62 of that link, the points 1 - 10 (besides in the next section - 'Rules of Engagement' he says , " never open fire on the object itself. " silver bullets indeed !

 

Also " analyse the phenomena with unbiased scientific detachment " ... dont see how, since most are either 'paralysed' , compliant, strangely compelled , lucid dreaming , etc .

 

[ This state is one of the indicators of a 'Daimonic breakthrough event' - the different state the person enters (like they have 'seen a ghost') in the case of the fake social workers, it wasnt until the parent / danger instinct kicked in that they snapped out of it ... at the last minute, just as they were about to hand their kids over, they 'snapped out of it' realising they had let a stranger into their house, had not checked ID and had even let them see their children. They had somehow become entranced and compliant ... but, like being hypnotised, it would not compel them to do things they knew where wrong. As soon as they were 'stood up to' and the parent snapped out of their state, the 'social workers' left. - the reports of this happening started to increase at such a rate the police decided it had to be some sort of spreading hallucinatory experience ... it got so common that, if it was true, there must have been more fake social workers out there than real ones (they only ever actually caught one person doing it ... he said, for some strange reason, he felt he had to emulate the stories he had heard).

Edited September 14, 2014 by Nungali

[Apech]

You have hit on an interesting point ... Belgium may not exist but Belgians do !

 

Okay I am going out on a limb here and may expose myself to ridicule but ..... I have met one!

 

Yes. I had a 'close encounter' with a Belgian ! And thats not my trip ... it was his. I mean, I thought he was Dutch and when I referred to him as such, he went off and insisted he was Belgian.

 

... snip ...

 

Nungas,

 

I salute your bravery. cos you know what people are going to say don't you. Here's another crackpot who actually says he has met a Belgian. Not that he thinks they may exist in some kind of inter-dimensional shape shifting sense. But they actually exist here on earth in 2014 walking around, speaking, breathing, eating just like you and me. When I say speaking of course you will note that there is no such thing as a Belgian language! They all speak French or German or Dutch ... though some speak Walloon which suspiciously, rhymes with balloon. The person you met might have been Walloonian had you considered that? The universe is infinitely large and infinitely diverse ... so as Stephen Hawkings might say Belgium must exist somewhere on all those uncountable stars and planets. But theory is not enough we need proof.

[Nungali]

 

DUDE !

 

Where do think a sausage and egg McWaffle comes from ?

 

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[Brian]

I know they are real because I have eaten their waffles.

 

 

I do believe in Belgians. I do. I do.

[Apech]

 

DUDE !

 

Where do think a sausage and egg McWaffle comes from ?

 

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I'm prepared to accept that a sausage and egg McWaffle is some evidence but I don't see how you extrapolate from that to a whole country and a whole country full of people. What if waffles can exist independently by means of a kind of discrete waffle particle?

[Nungali]

... again !

 

I will spell it out for you .... Belgium itself is a daimonic breakthrough event. It exists in another dimension and because we WANT it to exist here, weird manifestations of Belgian like themes (in variation, reversals, aversions and perversions) actually break through into our 'reality'. Thats why Belgians seem like strange interdimensional beings. And although the Belgian waffle exists, no one seems to know the recipe (it cant be communicated in our language).

 

Also it is not un unknown method of extraterrestrial communication;

 

 

 

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case708.htm

Edited September 15, 2014 by Nungali

[TomBrad]

 

 

[ This state is one of the indicators of a 'Daimonic breakthrough event' - the different state the person enters (like they have 'seen a ghost') in the case of the fake social workers, it wasnt until the parent / danger instinct kicked in that they snapped out of it ... at the last minute, just as they were about to hand their kids over, they 'snapped out of it' realising they had let a stranger into their house, had not checked ID and had even let them see their children. They had somehow become entranced and compliant ... but, like being hypnotised, it would not compel them to do things they knew where wrong. As soon as they were 'stood up to' and the parent snapped out of their state, the 'social workers' left. - the reports of this happening started to increase at such a rate the police decided it had to be some sort of spreading hallucinatory experience ... it got so common that, if it was true, there must have been more fake social workers out there than real ones (they only ever actually caught one person doing it ... he said, for some strange reason, he felt he had to emulate the stories he had heard).

 

 

The fake social workers were discussed at a UFO convention I went to. Apparently, their motivation was that they were looking for the Antichrist.

[soaring crane]

You have hit on an interesting point ... Belgium may not exist but Belgians do !

 

hahaha that was a great read, Nunga :-)

 

but not everyone is amused:

 

[GrandmasterP]

Belgians don't exist .

Ask any Belgian.

There's Flambards and Walloons.

That's it.

Maybe those aliens are fans of bicycle racing.

There's some excellent bike races round Belgium some of them over cobbles.

Edited September 15, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[thelerner]

 

Anyone up for a Saturnalia party to act out our suppressed unconscious 'memes' ?

I was there. I'm a first hand witness with first, second and third degree close encounter's. I know where John's Frum.

 

Actually Burning Man would be a great spot for aliens to land. Relaxed open friendly people. Who'd only be interested in bumming a ride or sharing a smoke.

 

I've got a couple of friends who are very into UFO's. One wrote a book on it, and talked of her psychic contact w/ aliens. Two meditation teachers I respect, Glenn Morris and certainly Max of Kunlun fame were both true believers who also spoke of psychic contacts and had stories. I take it with a piece of salt. I tend to think todays UFO stories are yesterdays stories of meeting with Angels and/or demons. Not necessarily made up, but a .. I don't know, couple of possibilities.

 

I ask.. if the government announced tomorrow, UFO's are real. We've communicated with them. They came, studied and left. They didn't leave any tech or miracles though. If that the case, would it really effect anything? Would anyone really freak out? I think it'd be business as usual the next day and next week.

Edited September 15, 2014 by thelerner

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[Nungali]

The fake social workers were discussed at a UFO convention I went to. Apparently, their motivation was that they were looking for the Antichrist.

 

Ummm ... what ? They were satanists looking for a leader? Christians who were going to abduct and exorcise them?

 

Seems like a simplistic answer that doesnt fit the stats of what happened. The best example of this I have seen is the MiB phenomena.

 

Anyone feeling a strange compulsion to disguise oneself, go to the neighbouring town and act 'spooky' with the residents ? ... maybe even form a club... slip out at night and ;

 

[Nungali]

hahaha that was a great read, Nunga :-)

 

but not everyone is amused:

 

 

Whats wrong with him ? What's with that weird walk he does ... a little penguin shuffling glide sorta thing ... like he's gotta a carrot up his claxie.

[GrandmasterP]

How do those crop circle aliens communicate in winter when nothing is growing?

Edited September 15, 2014 by GrandmasterP

[Nungali]

I was there. I'm a first hand witness with first, second and third degree close encounter's. I know where John's Frum.

 

Actually Burning Man would be a great spot for aliens to land. Relaxed open friendly people. Who'd only be interested in bumming a ride or sharing a smoke.

 

I've got a couple of friends who are very into UFO's. One wrote a book on it, and talked of her psychic contact w/ aliens. Two meditation teachers I respect, Glenn Morris and certainly Max of Kunlun fame were both true believers who also spoke of psychic contacts and had stories. I take it with a piece of salt. I tend to think todays UFO stories are yesterdays stories of meeting with Angels and/or demons. Not necessarily made up, but a .. I don't know, couple of possibilities.

 

I ask.. if the government announced tomorrow, UFO's are real. We've communicated with them. They came, studied and left. They didn't leave any tech or miracles though. If that the case, would it really effect anything? Would anyone really freak out? I think it'd be business as usual the next day and next week.

 

yep ... just some more of these;

 

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[Nungali]

How do those crop circle aliens communicate in winter when nothing is growing?

 

Yo soooo stupid !!!

 

DUDE! They come down south. (Some people just dont think these through!)

[Nungali]

If there is going to be 'breakthrough event' and I do ever get a visit from an ET .... I hope its a sexy one

 

 

yep ... 2 mins ... summed it up pretty good. .... she is so 'upper-class Englishly dominant'

 

- hey we havn;t had one of those socially alienated 'foolish earthlings!' posters for a while ..'

 

 

[silent thunder]

How do those crop circle aliens communicate in winter when nothing is growing?

snow angels...

[GrandmasterP]

Yo soooo stupid !!!

 

DUDE! They come down south. (Some people just dont think these through!)

 

Doh!

Cheers man.

 

 

But what about here?

What if they wanted a crop-circle chat round Christmas with someone in Cornwall?

They'd be fecked.

[Nungali]

Meh ..... I drather chat on a bench than around a crop circle. Crop circles are for slack jawed gawp'n or sniggerin at, benches is for chattin

 

[silent thunder]

Ok you bench and I'll sit on the ground nearby under a tree.

 

I love sittin on the ground chattin.

[Oz_Chiguy]

Hahaha. Nice work Zoom.

 

I assume you've been researching UFO's for a while. And having said that, I would assume you would understand the reactions you have gotten on this thread. I spent years researching too, and I know how hard it is to get people to believe/understand. There is a great deal of knowledge on the subject all over the net. People just don't want to look because it would scare the s**t out of them to find out that they were wrong all this time. Its an ego thing.

 

They treat you like you are crazy. Even though you have probably spent a lot of time researching, and they have probably read nothing. But YOU are apparently the crazy one, making an educated statement based on REAL data and info. I know how it goes all too well.

 

Thanks for posting. Don't listen to the criticism or try to convince them. No matter how many people saw it, or how much real evidence there is, its always 'fake', and the explanations they provide as to how/why it is faked are usually crazier than the notion of it being a UFO. Makes people feel good about themselves to think your crazy and not that they've been duped by the people who they ASSUME to tell them the truth.

 

Once again, thanks for the post.

[Marblehead]

Ok you bench and I'll sit on the ground nearby under a tree.

 

I love sittin on the ground chattin.

Not in the cold butt snow, I hope.