[kudos100]

I have tried for many years to improve a health condition using a variety of alternative therapies and have had little success.

 

Over the last while I have been exploring Qi gong healing and have researched a number of high level Qi gong masters who do healing sessions. My thoughts are the combination of a self practice and a high level healer/teacher will give me the best results.

 

One of these masters charges 1000 dollars for a session. At the time this did not register, perhaps because I am so desperate to improve my condition. Afterwards I though about it and really could not understand how someone could charge so much for healing.

 

I've tried to reconcile this in my mind and really can't come up with anything other than greed.

 

Now the thing is I have actually considered paying for it, as if it helped then it would be worth it. I am not rich (1000 dollars is about a months salary)

 

On the one hand this person has a good reputation, but it seems to go against Taoist principles to charge so much money, so I find it difficult to understand.

 

What do you think about someone charging so much?

Edited September 21, 2014 by kudos100

[Aetherous]

They should only charge that much if it works. If it doesn't work, we have greed, as well as incompetence.

[Protector]

I would break his something with a foot

[Ya Mu]

We spend billions of dollars, collectively, on western medicine which works well for acute but many times not so well for longer term conditions and mostly not at all for pain syndromes.

 

In clinic I always offered guaranteed pain relief or no fee.

"Healing" is a complex subject. I encourage all my students to keep in mind that many people cannot afford over a certain amount; but then again these practitioners deserve compensation.

 

Really only you can decide if any particular fee is worth it to you.

 

I tell people don't expect miracles, some things just are, but it usually is worth a try, depending on what is going on. If you have a complex situation it could take 10 sessions to really know if the sessions were doing anything, although most people know within 3 sessions and some know the first session and don't need anymore. Just adjust your expectations to reality and don't live in la la land concerning healers, therapists, or physicians.

[kudos100]

Really only you can decide if any particular fee is worth it to you.

 

I have looked at other QI gong healers fee's and rarely does anyone charge more than 100 dollars for a session. Chunyi Lin charges something like 180 dollars. I believe your fee is about 100 dollars Ya Mu? Two of the most well known healers are charging 10-20% of this person.

 

I read something in your book about being wary of teachers charging exorbitant prices and that their energy may be tainted by greed.

 

I'm all for people making a living, but as the healing session is so expensive I cannot seem to make sense of it, so I though I would ask here.

 

As I have mentioned, I have considered paying the fee, but would be crushed if it did not help, as it is so much money for me.

[C T]

Thats a ridiculous fee for one session.

[mike 134]

Supply and demand. Its not ridiculous to the sucker who pays for it. Its like the new iphone going for $1500 on eBay when you can wait a month and get it for the regular price. The ppl who buy it evidently think its worth it. All forms of energy healing are placebo, btw.

[Silent Answers]

It's unlikely they can heal you completely in one session without there being some kind of (probably equally as expensive) supporting remedy..more than likely you'll need to revisit a few times and you may feel worse each time you have to hand that cash over. Don't get stuck in financial woes that may add more stress to your situation.

 

I wish you a swift recovery from whatever illness is troubling you. Try to summon up all your strength to fight against it from within.

[Ya Mu]

I have looked at other QI gong healers fee's and rarely does anyone charge more than 100 dollars for a session. Chunyi Lin charges something like 180 dollars. I believe your fee is about 100 dollars Ya Mu? Two of the most well known healers are charging 10-20% of this person.

 

I read something in your book about being wary of teachers charging exorbitant prices and that their energy may be tainted by greed.

 

I'm all for people making a living, but as the healing session is so expensive I cannot seem to make sense of it, so I though I would ask here.

 

As I have mentioned, I have considered paying the fee, but would be crushed if it did not help, as it is so much money for me.

Actually, I have held my fee at $75 since the ....so long I can't remember...90's???; anyway I am stubborn and refuse to go up. It is interesting in that, during my last workshop, only for the certification students, I gave a lecture on ethics and we discussed this topic for a while. I told them I couldn't and wouldn't dictate what they could charge but gave my reasons for staying at the $75.

 

I will say this, if a person goes to a western doctor, even for minor problems, it is unlikely one is able to get out of there for less than $100 bucks (USA). Add to that the cost of drugs. So a treatment program could end up costing a thousand easily.

 

I posted on the Taoist Medicine thread of a person who went to one of my students with severe pain and unable to use the limb who had paid quite a bit of money to western specialists with not only no results but increased problems. A few visits to the student cleared up the problem. I think the total fee was about $240 for several visits.

 

I again caution about thinking a session of anything, I don't care what it is, is a majic bullet. Again, have realistic expectations. And this is still not to say anything at all about the person and fee you are agonizing about. It may be totally worth it to you and it may not.

[KenBrace]

Most "spiritual healers" are frauds. Especially the ones that charge $1,000 for a session. Please don't waste your money on that garbage. If you want to improve health, the best way is really to just eat healthy, exercise, and get 8 hours of sleep. A good balance between those three will work wonders. It also doesn't require you to spend thousands of dollars.

[KenBrace]

And don't forget to work on eliminating stress if that happens to be an issue in your life. Stress is a real killer (literally). Same goes for a bad diet, lack of sleep, and an inactive lifestyle.

 

People are always looking for cures and treatments to heal their health problems but end up just wasting thousands of bucks on medication, drugs, qigong "healings", therapists, etc. If people would just take care of their health, they wouldn't need so many cures and treatments.

Edited September 22, 2014 by KenBrace

[Daeluin]

I think it comes down to their motives for choosing such a price.

 

Could be any number of reasons selfish, altruistic, or circumstantial. Karma tends to put us in circumstantial predicaments regardless.

 

Sometimes money is a factor that contributes greater sincerity in behalf of the patient, which is likely to assist in the healing process.

 

If you get a fortune reading from a person you walk past on a city street for pocket change, will it carry as much weight as the reading you shelled out $200 for after hand-picking someone from the Internet? It is possible the street reader was better, and that fate helped you to meet this person at the right time, and that what they told you is critical to your healing. But if attention isn't focused on what was said with any real depth, will any real change occur? Can't expect our healers to hold our sincerity for us.

[Daeluin]

And on that note, the tao is forever telling us exactly what we need to hear for our healing.

We just don't like listening, so we end up paying others to tell us what we want to hear, or temporarily make us feel better again.

 

Saving up for $1 grand healing sessions is likely to create greater emptiness and a healthier lifestyle as we stop feeding the distractions and non-serving habits that made us sick in the first place, and start channeling all our resources toward healing.

 

Maybe some will realize they can put that money in the bank instead.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Daeluin

[Ish]

Daeluin does bring up a good point, i think.

At the end of the day, the healing (especially maintaining the healing afterwards) is up to oneself.

If one has the motivation to shell out 1000 dollars then they will probably be much more committed to this... (or just rich )

 

 

So I think there is some merit to charging a lot (for some patients mentalities) , but you do have to be extra careful that they aren't just a fraud.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Ish

[Jetsun]

Don't waste your money, I have seen many healers over the years and there is absolutely to correlation between how good they are and how much they charge. If anyone promises one session can remove your issues for good they will be a fraudster, any legit healer wont promise anything of the sort, so where is the morality in charging such a large amount as it is likely to involve multiple sessions? those sorts of people are usually preying on the desperate.

[C T]

Daeluin does bring up a good point, i think.

At the end of the day, the healing (especially maintaining the healing afterwards) is up to oneself.

If one has the motivation to shell out 1000 dollars then they will probably be much more committed to this... (or just rich )

 

 

So I think there is some merit to charging a lot (for some patients mentalities) , but you do have to be extra careful that they aren't just a fraud.

Yeah, like buzzards having their place in the natural world, that kind of way?

[Ish]

Yeah, like buzzards having their place in the natural world, that kind of way?

 

Maybe .

 

But lets say,

The healer is at the top of their field and offers a complete comprehensive service and plan to overcome the patients serious problem (will have to involve patient self-effort after treatments) . Due to the commitment and investment from the patient they do exactly what is required.

If that's what's needed to completely change someones life, then maybe charging a lot isn't absolutely wrong.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Ish

[C T]

Maybe .

 

But lets say,

The healer is at the top of their field and offers a complete comprehensive service and plan to overcome the patients serious problem (will have to involve patient self-effort after treatments) . Due to the commitment and investment from the patient they do exactly what is required.

If that's what's needed to completely change someones life, then maybe charging a lot isn't absolutely wrong.

Perhaps that is one way to resolve the 'problem'... but there's usually other more cost-effective solutions. By 'costs' im thinking monetary as well as intangible costs, if you know what i mean.

 

Im all for reasonable fees, but seriously, $1,000 per session??

Michael's rate is $75 a go... do the math.

 

In my country, healers with reported consistency don't even have to put up a service price-list. Benefactors line up to repay his or her efforts as a sort of assurance that they retain certain VIP privileges so that their family and close friends can have immediate access to the healer's help when needed.

[soaring crane]

Maybe spend the $1,000 on private lessons in a healing art like Qigong? That way you have something for the rest of your life.

[GrandmasterP]

I have tried for many years to improve a health condition using a variety of alternative therapies and have had little success.

 

Over the last while I have been exploring Qi gong healing and have researched a number of high level Qi gong masters who do healing sessions. My thoughts are the combination of a self practice and a high level healer/teacher will give me the best results.

 

One of these masters charges 1000 dollars for a session. At the time this did not register, perhaps because I am so desperate to improve my condition. Afterwards I though about it and really could not understand how someone could charge so much for healing.

 

I've tried to reconcile this in my mind and really can't come up with anything other than greed.

 

Now the thing is I have actually considered paying for it, as if it helped then it would be worth it. I am not rich (1000 dollars is about a months salary)

 

On the one hand this person has a good reputation, but it seems to go against Taoist principles to charge so much money, so I find it difficult to understand.

 

What do you think about someone charging so much?

 

That's a lot of money to pay out.

If it works then presumably it was money well spent but what if it doesn't work?

 

[kudos100]

I think it comes down to their motives for choosing such a price.

 

Could be any number of reasons selfish, altruistic, or circumstantial. Karma tends to put us in circumstantial predicaments regardless.

 

Sometimes money is a factor that contributes greater sincerity in behalf of the patient, which is likely to assist in the healing process.

 

If you get a fortune reading from a person you walk past on a city street for pocket change, will it carry as much weight as the reading you shelled out $200 for after hand-picking someone from the Internet? It is possible the street reader was better, and that fate helped you to meet this person at the right time, and that what they told you is critical to your healing. But if attention isn't focused on what was said with any real depth, will any real change occur? Can't expect our healers to hold our sincerity for us.

 

I tend to agree with this to a point, which is why I think it is fair that people are compensated for their work.

 

The problem arises that the healing seems to be based around one session. As Ya Mu and others have pointed out it normally takes a few sessions to find out if something is working and perhaps a number of sessions to really get the benefit.

 

Lets say nothing happens, I now have to stump up another 1000 dollars for another session? Seems a bit pie in the sky to me.

 

If this person had a bad reputation then I would have no problem with thinking it was a scam. The thing is they are highly respected as a healer and teacher, but charge an extortionate amount. They also teach many Taoist practices, which is why I am having a difficult time with understanding the huge price.

[C T]

You'd do well to heed your doubts.

[soaring crane]

They also teach many Taoist practices,

 

I refer you back to my previous post ^^

 

Learn to heal yourself. It's the only true 'healing' anyway.

[kudos100]

I refer you back to my previous post ^^

 

Learn to heal yourself. It's the only true 'healing' anyway.

 

This is the root of the problem. All of the energetic/cultivation practices I have tried have made the energy in my head worse and I end up sleeping only 2-3 hours a night.

 

It is all good a well healing yourself, but if the healing system exacerbates the symptoms then trying to find skilled healers/teachers is a way to try and work with this problem.

 

It is very frustrating as I feel like I am benefiting in some ways, but my main problem gets worse

[Daeluin]

They also teach many Taoist practices, which is why I am having a difficult time with understanding the huge price.

 

Not everything with the Taoist label goes to the root. When something isn't aiming at the root, it is just another side path.

 

Emperors used to employ Taoists, and ancient China was very secretive. It was punishable by death to own a chart of the positions of the stars - and for this reason much fortune telling developed from an energy system not dependent on the positions of the stars.

 

I would imagine a great deal of healing arts are like this as well. Who knows the cost of learning hidden techniques, and what stories have appreciated their provenance. Thus the value may well be associated with the pedestal history has placed it upon, rather than the efficacy of it's effect.

 

The problem seems to lie in the way we value things these days. Those who achieve the root of the tao and walk among us heal by proximity, and often invisibly, charging nothing.