Bonewits

[wallum]

So, I'm currently reading a book by Philip Bonewits called Real Magic. On page 49 he briefly mentions CPK Assimilation (CPK = Cellular PsychoKinesis), thus;

 

"For those of you who regularly perform faith-healing or curing rituals, there is an interesting phenomenon you should be aware of. It is an overlap between CPK and telepathy in which the disease is absorbed accidentally or deliberately by the healer, who exhibits the same symptoms for a short time, after which the disease vanishes from the patient and healer alike. This.....can be very dangerous to the practitioner. [....]Since if rules are broken, the healer may not be able to get rid of the disease assimilated"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this?

[stefos]

Hi Wallum,

 

No sir......I haven't personally seen many healings but I was delievered from demonic oppression.

 

Does that count by proxy? LOL........Seriously, I was though.

 

I'll be glad to speak w/you in PM about it.

 

Have a great evening!

Stefos

[BaguaKicksAss]

So, I'm currently reading a book by Philip Bonewits called Real Magic. On page 49 he briefly mentions CPK Assimilation (CPK = Cellular PsychoKinesis), thus;

 

"For those of you who regularly perform faith-healing or curing rituals, there is an interesting phenomenon you should be aware of. It is an overlap between CPK and telepathy in which the disease is absorbed accidentally or deliberately by the healer, who exhibits the same symptoms for a short time, after which the disease vanishes from the patient and healer alike. This.....can be very dangerous to the practitioner. [....]Since if rules are broken, the healer may not be able to get rid of the disease assimilated"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this?

 

Yep, when I was new to healing and didn't know enough yet. Actually it's very easy to take on the disease of the person you are healing; the medical qigong folks include methods in the setup and finish to guard against this happening.

[Brian]

I know bupkis about "magic" but I have personal experience with "kickback" from a medical qigong perspective and can assure you it is a legitimate concern/issue.

[Nungali]

Yep .... the 'demon' will 'attack' whoever exposes it.

 

I liked that part in the Cabinet of Dr Caligari where the woman , on recovery, tries to piece together what happened. Still somewhat confused, she protests that Caligari was a sexual deviate. When asked why she thinks that she complains that he showed her some disqusting pornogrophy and was a sick pervert.

 

The person she is talking to says; 'Do you mean these pictures ?" and shows them to her ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One needs to watch out for 'splashback' ....

 

 

[wallum]

Does anyone know any methods to help remove a disorder that was obtained in this manner? One that has been lingering for a few years?

[Zhongyongdaoist]

Does anyone know any methods to help remove a disorder that was obtained in this manner? One that has been lingering for a few years?

 

BaquaKicksAss posted this in another thread, I'm sure she won't mind me quoting it here for your benefit:

 

Uncrossing, Getting rid of curses, Banishing, Getting rid of unwanted spirits

This is one of the most asked questions, how do I get rid of anything from some nasty energy to a deadly curse, and anything in between. The good news is that most cursework and negative energy is extremely easy to get rid of!

Salt bath:

1. Take 9 tablespoons of salt and place them in a dish

2. Take about one cup of water and place it in another dish

3. Ask the Deity of your choice to bless the salt

4. Ask the Deity of your choice to bless the water

5. Mix them together while saying your desire for cleansing and purification out loud

6. Run your bath (well actually this would have already started beforehand)

7. Place the mixed salt and water into your bath

8. Take off your clothes and place them in the washing machine with a second batch of the salt water

9. Get into the bath. While laying in the bathtub state your desire for cleansing and purification out loud. You may also do an appropriate prayer at this time

10. Wash in strokes away from you

11. Dunk your head 9 times. Also make sure all areas of your body get under water at some point

12. Unplug the plug, and then step out of the bath

13. Immediately smoke yourself with frankincense incense. Make sure it is the resin kind, not the stick kind.

14. Do not towel dry; either put on your clothes while you are still damp, or just air dry

15. Do not talk with anyone that you are presently arguing with or who has negative energy for at least half an hour after the bath

You can take the above bath once for something light, 3 days in a ROW for something a little stronger, or 9 days in a row for something really strong. Do not take too many 9 days in a row salt baths though as this may weaken your energetic field.

Van van bath:

This is the same as the bath above, but you would pour 1/3 of your bottle of van van into the water. Make sure to also use the frankincense smoke afterwards.

 

Cleansing your house

To cleanse your house and temple, you would follow the exact same directions as above, but instead of putting yourself into the bath, you would instead sprinkle the salt water around your house while reciting over and over that this above is now cleansed and purified. You may also say a personal prayer during this time. Make sure to burn the frankincense incense right afterwards.

You can also use van van to cleanse your house. This is a wonderful method for getting rid of negative energies, as well as any negative magic others have placed on you or your home. I have found that it can also clear out a house after arguments. Try it on your inlaws house when they aren't looking!

 

Keeping unwanted spirits away

You can also keep negative entities away from your house, and even get rid of many you don't wish around by using the above techniques.

 

Good luck.

[Seth Ananda]

I like to add another view of the subject.

 

There are probably 3 {maybe more} types of energy healing. They can all be amazing and they all have there time and place.

 

There is the mediating balancing type, where excesses and deficiencies are addressed. ~ Like various elemental balancing methods, or methods that seek to alchemise an energy into a more harmonious state.

 

There are the transmission/addition types where 'higher' frequencies are emitted to flush out 'disharmonious' energy. ~ think Reiki, some qigong healing, and laying on of hands methods.

 

And there are extraction types where energy is pulled or sucked or scared out. Think of some faith healing {psychic surgery}, shamanistic type 'pulling and sucking' out of sickness or soul intrusions. Some advanced Tonglen and the Celtic sin eating practice {where sin is seen as anything that burdens the soul} also mirrors this.

 

 

When I first started learning transmission style healing, I would occasionally take on a symptom, and my teachers would tell me I had to strengthen my field, not take it on, and just be a conduit. Which I did.

But occasionally during a session, I would 'know' that if I really wanted to help this person, I had to take it into myself. so occasionally I did, and they were some of my best healings.

Usually I would go somewhere afterwards to vomit or dry retch out the 'stuff' but I had no one helping me learn how to cleanse myself properly at the time with these kind of practices.
I have since seen Australian aborigines sucking and spitting crap out of people {to great effect} I have watched footage of various shaman doing the same thing, and read up on the development of TCM's cupping from the earlier shamanistic sucking techniques, although I dont think its nearly as effective, but its definitely more pleasant if that is important to you.

 

Now though I am learning a version of the sin eating practice, and have very efficient ways to pass the energy on from my body, and I find it to be a very powerful method. I dont think people should approach this kind of healing lightly or without a good teacher, but it is an amazing method, and has sometimes saved a situation where transmission style was not working.

[BaguaKicksAss]

For healing others, the first thing to do is get past your "self". You don't do the healing, since we are limited; the person doesn't need our energy and crap, and we can get stuck with stuff after.

 

One neat method I discovered for a bit (well more like some entity taught me), is I would go in, find the problem, let the person's energy body and higher self know what was up and what the problem was, and suggest that they heal themselves. Worked very well .

 

Something interesting I learned in medical qigong though... we tend to only take on things from others and catch things from others if we are pre-disposed towards them, or our imbalances are in line with them. I mean for longer than a few hours or a few days that is.

[wallum]

I have never done any healing before. A few years back, I was sitting with my arm around a very close friend. I knew she had severe back pain, and wondered if I could find it/'feel' it. I found it straight away, and was just about to take it out of her and offer it up to the universe, when she looked at me suddenly and said 'What are you doing!? what are you going do with that? you won't want it!'. I was so startled that I stopped, as I didn't think she would be able to feel what I was doing. Ever since then I have had bad back pain. It is finally easing a little, but only after much physiotherapy.

 

Edit * shortly after that, we lost contact with each other

Edited October 31, 2014 by wallum

[BaguaKicksAss]

I have never done any healing before. A few years back, I was sitting with my arm around a very close friend. I knew she had severe back pain, and wondered if I could find it/'feel' it. I found it straight away, and was just about to take it out of her and offer it up to the universe, when she looked at me suddenly and said 'What are you doing!? what are you going do with that? you won't want it!'. I was so startled that I stopped, as I didn't think she would be able to feel what I was doing. Ever since then I have had bad back pain. It is finally easing a little, but only after much physiotherapy.

 

Edit * shortly after that, we lost contact with each other

 

Give it to a nice tree, after you ask first of course .

 

Other options are qi dispersal.

 

Try out the cleansing baths mentioned above too...

[Seth Ananda]

For healing others, the first thing to do is get past your "self". You don't do the healing, since we are limited; the person doesn't need our energy and crap, and we can get stuck with stuff after.

Its a popular thing to say, and it certainly seems that way with transmission/channeling types of healing.

 

What happens though if you sense a 'dart' or some kind of energetic intrusion in someone, then pull it out, and they get better?

It kind of was you in that situation.

 

One neat method I discovered for a bit (well more like some entity taught me), is I would go in, find the problem, let the person's energy body and higher self know what was up and what the problem was, and suggest that they heal themselves. Worked very well .

Nice.

Something interesting I learned in medical qigong though... we tend to only take on things from others and catch things from others if we are pre-disposed towards them, or our imbalances are in line with them. I mean for longer than a few hours or a few days that is.

I can relate to that. Headaches and migranes were the hardest for me too not pick up at first, as I got them regularly at that time.

[soaring crane]

 

Give it to a nice tree, after you ask first of course .

 

Other options are qi dispersal.

 

Try out the cleansing baths mentioned above too...

Yes to trees. They proved the most effective therapists for the therapist when I was doing this type of work. Tree gong for just about anything, be it recharging or cleansing. Or just finding your way back to your center.

 

Barefoot walking across the earth is a good idea as well, every chance you get.

 

Salt rubs and salt baths I feel have a large placebo effect attached to them. But they do feel good. I suggest using base salts.

[wallum]

I prefer walking barefoot to wearing shoes, but I wear shoes to 'dirty' places like shops and public buildings. I am pretty centred and grounded too. I didn't think about just giving it to a tree. I wouldn't want a tree to feel the pain, though.

 

Thanks for all your help

[soaring crane]

I prefer walking barefoot to wearing shoes, but I wear shoes to 'dirty' places like shops and public buildings. I am pretty centred and grounded too. I didn't think about just giving it to a tree. I wouldn't want a tree to feel the pain, though.

 

Thanks for all your help

 

think of a tree as a great (as in very large) conduit between deep earth and high heaven. By giving it to the tree, you're letting it go into that great flow. The tree itself is self-cleaning, very effective at it.

 

My favorite tree: the classic pine

 

But not necessarily one with a hunter loft in it, haha.

 

I also don't walk barefoot wherever human filth accumulates. I have a pet theory that if we were all barefoot all the time, there wouldn't be any filth.

[Chang]

For those interested in Tree Qigong this link may be of interest:-

 

http://aoda.org/Articles/Tree_Qi_Gong.html

[Nungali]

 

 

Barefoot walking across the earth is a good idea as well, every chance you get.

 

 

 

Emergence situation - lay them down on the earth (in a nice way , I mean ) .

[Nungali]

think of a tree as a great (as in very large) conduit between deep earth and high heaven. By giving it to the tree, you're letting it go into that great flow. The tree itself is self-cleaning, very effective at it.

 

 

 

I can't conceive the nucleus of all

Begins inside a tiny seed

And what we think as insignificant

Provides the purest air we breathe

 

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being

For these are but a few discoveries

We find inside the Secret Life of Plants

 

A species smaller than the eye can see

Or larger than most living things

And yet we take from it without consent

Our shelter, food, habilment

 

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being

For these are but a few discoveries

Wwe find inside the Secret Life of Plants

 

But far too many give them in return

A stomp, cut, drown, or burn

As is they're nothing

But if you ask yourself where would you be

Without them you will find you would not

 

And some believe antennas are their leaves

That spans beyond our galaxy

They've been, they are and probably will be

Who are the mediocrity

 

But who am I to doubt or question the inevitable being

For these are but a few discoveries

We find inside the Secret Life of Plants

For these are but a few discoveries

We find inside the Secret Life of Plants

 

 

Edited November 1, 2014 by Nungali