Kunlun Seminars

[Mantra68]

i fear that i have already done this. because i can't get myself to practice the kunlun method.

 

i see the messengers as the fruit of the message, and i don't see enlightenment, i don't feel enlightenment, and i don't trust all the messages.

Hundun, even you and I would (and did) get along in person. If we've clashed online that is unfortunate but it would not be so face to face.

 

My attitude is very light, supportive and encouraging. We have lots of fun with everyone in our meetings. I don't believe I have turned the masses away from this practice at all. I help everyone I can and they dig it. I get lots of thank you letters and wonderful testimonials. It is all good.

 

So, let's be realistic in my roasting. I am right now answering to two people who have had issue with me (Hundun and Trunk). With Hundun I didn't like what you said about us because it seemed unrealistic and unfair and completely individual to your interpretation. Trunk didn't like the way I handled it so he took issue with me. When I felt I had been too harsh I apologized. One moment with one individual (out of hundreds) where I lost my patience. Pretty good I think for having come from a warrior clan.

 

Also, I have since tried to mend fences with you Hundun. We don't need to disagree as we have. I know we are closer to agreeing than this forum and words will allow.

 

As to contradiction:

"we are taught that if phenomena occur to just ignore them and not become attached in any way. They are just side effects."

 

There is no contradiction here. If you suddenly develop a siddha and then want to use it to help people through healing or simply to demonstrate to others what is possible, there is nothing wrong with that. It is the attachment to phenomena we are referring to.

 

That we have shown some of the more dramatic applications , does not contradict this statement. There is much more than this that I chose not to show. Additionally, Max has said that what he has shown me is only a small percent of what is possible. People just wouldn't be able to handle more.

 

If this kind of talk comes off as arrogant that is unfortunate because I only speak the truth of my experience.

 

When looking for signs of enlightenment it is best to not have expectations of what enlightenment is. It can come in many forms. Kan is there, Mari is there and others in our group are close. I personally have a way to go to get to their level of understanding and ability.

 

My actual progress with Kunlun is much slower than some of my fellow students, so I am extremely humble in that regard. You see, I was on my own for 4 of the last 6 years and was pursuing business projects. I got myself so busy that I neglected my practice. I have recently experienced a more rapid progress from spending so much time with Max again.

 

All of you are helping me too. Thank you.

 

Peace,

 

Chris

Edited November 8, 2007 by Mantra68

[Sahaj Nath]

doing the whole line-by-line refutation thing would be a waste of both time and energy. i don't want to get sucked into an adversarial posture, though i still want my criticisms to be considered.

 

what you described in the spirit of serving others with a gift is NOT a contradiction, and i would never take issue with that. i do my best to live that and to teach that every day.

 

but when these things become the 'main attraction' it's a different matter. and that's how these things have been used. maybe there are things that you haven't shown (none of us can evaluate the truth of that claim), but that doesn't change my point:

 

your approach is encouraging attachment to phenomenon!

 

 

a week or so ago i taught the kunlun 1 method to 2 of my students (uh oh, hundun's hijacking the system!). i told them all about my experience at the seminar and my criticisms and the whole nine. and they both know that i don't practice it. but i didn't want my attitude to keep them from exploring something that could potentially benefit them.

 

one of them is really taking a liking to it. that's fine by me. if he benefits from the practice then i'm happy and i'm grateful that you and yours have chosen to share this with the world. and should he decide at some point to attend a seminar, i'll support him the same way everyone supported me.

 

but i still feel like your approach is geared more towards getting people in the door who are dabblers or who want to be like Dragon Ball Z than people who are genuine cultivators and spiritual aspirants.

 

it's not how one acts so much as where one acts from that i respond to. enlightenment isn't holding its flag up on the surface. it's the root. i've seen the root many times in drastically different guises. maybe i just missed it. maybe you're right. but i can't just take your word for it. you're too invested. too attached.

 

i didn't want to cause any complications for the man by outing him, but Kan was the one i was referring to when i said one of Max's students recognized and commented on my energy level in a manner that Max himself seemed incapable of doing, even in our private session. and Kan happens to also be a qigong master apart from any training he later did with Max. but his energy didn't really speak to me, either.

 

i see and listen with more than my eyes and ears, and i don't just go with "i have a feeling," either.

 

 

"one moment with one individual (out of hundreds)" makes it sound as if you've been put through the ringer here and taken it all in stride. i'm the *only one * who actually went to a seminar and openly leveled a criticism at it. i'm not one of many. i'm one. and maybe the uniqueness of my position was a bigger threat to the image, and maybe THAT'S why you reacted the way you did.

 

and you don't belong to any "warrior clan." Max isn't even a martial artist. he said so himself (or was he just being his 'trickster' self when he said that). that's the kind of sketchy shit that gets thrown around all over the place and undercuts the true value of what you guys are sharing.

 

 

you don't have to admit fault. i don't expect you to at this point. even your agreement with trunk has dodges all over the place.

 

whatevs. you have your followers. you have your leader.

 

 

i follow myself. as Max claims is the only true way.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Hundun

[Cameron]

I am not 100% sold on the girls just want to have fun thing myself quite yet.

[Yoda]

Pleiades chicks like Esther just want to have fun!

[VeeCee]

they just wanna, just wanna...

[Oolong Rabbit]

but when these things become the 'main attraction' it's a different matter. and that's how these things have been used. maybe there are things that you haven't shown (none of us can evaluate the truth of that claim), but that doesn't change my point:

 

your approach is encouraging attachment to phenomenon!

 

......

 

but i still feel like your approach is geared more towards getting people in the door who are dabblers or who want to be like Dragon Ball Z than people who are genuine cultivators and spiritual aspirants.

 

it's not how one acts so much as where one acts from that i respond to. enlightenment isn't holding its flag up on the surface. it's the root. i've seen the root many times in drastically different guises. maybe i just missed it. maybe you're right. but i can't just take your word for it. you're too invested. too attached.

 

Hi Hundun,

 

It's funny. Tonight at Tai Chi class we were discussing Master Moy Lin-shin, the founder of Taoist Tai Chi Society. Some of the folks who have been around for a while were talking about how he kind of "lured" his original cadre of students in. He began by promoting the martial aspects of his arts. That's what people "thought" that they wanted. Once they took the bait he began giving them something much more profound and worthwhile.

 

I think the same applies here. People watch some of the sensational stuff thinking they want to stop punches in mid air and such. They begin the work, and it starts taking them down paths they never thought about. That's kind of what happened with me so far. If nothing else it got me meditating on a regular basis which is much more useful than stopping a punch with some mysterious empty force. How often have you guys even had someone walk up and take a swing at you out of the blue? Stilling the mind and spirit helps me everyday.

 

Peace brother!

[Cameron]

they just wanna, just wanna...

 

 

Though I am pretty sure VeeCee falls under the "girl that just a wanna have fun" group.

 

It's possible I just don't a wanna have fun in which case it would make sense for me to have that view.

 

I will remain open to the possibilty that girls do indeed just want to have fun.

[Sahaj Nath]

Hi Hundun,

 

It's funny. Tonight at Tai Chi class we were discussing Master Moy Lin-shin, the founder of Taoist Tai Chi Society. Some of the folks who have been around for a while were talking about how he kind of "lured" his original cadre of students in. He began by promoting the martial aspects of his arts. That's what people "thought" that they wanted. Once they took the bait he began giving them something much more profound and worthwhile.

 

I think the same applies here. People watch some of the sensational stuff thinking they want to stop punches in mid air and such. They begin the work, and it starts taking them down paths they never thought about. That's kind of what happened with me so far. If nothing else it got me meditating on a regular basis which is much more useful than stopping a punch with some mysterious empty force. How often have you guys even had someone walk up and take a swing at you out of the blue? Stilling the mind and spirit helps me everyday.

 

Peace brother!

 

 

you make a good point, and i think it needed to be stated.

 

 

 

is it possible? yes. but i don't find it probable in this case.

 

 

 

master moy was, in fact, a master of taiji quan. and he met people where they were.

 

this is a different scenario. just look at some of the claims that have been made. there's just no comparison.

 

 

 

direct quotes from mantra's earlier posts:

 

 

"One-on-one he can answer specific questions in a private setting. He will scan you to see your potential, your lineage and your current state of health. From there he will tell you or give you what you need to achieve your goal."

 

"When you get to a certain level of mastery it becomes quite simple to recognize the key elements in other systems and thus understand the system. When you have a strong past incarnation with Taoism, Mongolian Shamanism, Tibetan Buddhism, the Egyptian Priesthood, and Native American Medicine like Max, it is easier to just recall the information. I say this not to insult your intelligence, it is just the truth."

 

"Also, the difference between Max and the YouTube guy is that Max is an excellent martial arts technician. He knows when to apply the subtle energies and when to simply smack the hell out of you."

 

 

" He can teach many different styles of kung fu and is quite an accomplished martial artist."

 

 

"The answer is yes, it can be applied to people who are not open. The price for doing so is that their nervous system can become severely damaged."

 

the 2nd one simply can't be verified, but is certainly sensational. the rest are patently false.

 

it's deceit. and it's completely unnecessary because the technique being offered speaks for itself!

 

people aren't attending in order to learn martial arts, and then, once they're there, discovering something vastly more profound as with the founder of your school. people are going with the belief that bogus claims are true (or at least might be), and once they get there, they use the technique and become blissed out. thereby proving the validity of... what?

 

everything sounds good when you're tripped out on Kunlun.

 

cult leaders used a similar tactic with acid in the 70's. i know that's a harsh association, but i don't think enough people have considered the parallels.

 

 

i have students that come to wanting the sensational all the time. i don't necessarily turn them away because of it, but i certainly don't encourage the mindset, and i don't use deceit. one of those students joined this forum a little over a month ago.

 

just look for yourself. believe what you will.

Edited November 9, 2007 by Hundun

[Cameron]

 

Me (I) really feel like a wave on the ocean. Individual for a only very brief moment, then back to merge with the whole.

 

Maybe me will try to mix more talk of video games and porn into our future posts. Then me will be more like Wii (ha! there you go).

Again, the written word is a challenge. In person we would all get along just swell.

 

Love,

Chris

 

 

Chris please..I am attempting to do "100 days".

 

Video game chat would be fine..though I bartered my television several weeks ago.

[xenolith]

If I acted like you my teacher would bitch-slap me into next week and then make me do three hours of horse stance. Then I would be shunned for an unspecified period of time.

On the basis of that statement, I strongly suggest that you need a new teacher. Critical thinking warrants not punishment except by the foolish, arrogant and otherwise misinformed.

"I want an Oompa-loompa and I WANT IT NOW, DADDY!"

Quoting yourself? Such an unreasonable demand WOULD warrant a (term which you've presented)..."bitch-slap". In contrast, what I've asked for is simply supporting evidence, in terms of the systematics of the bodies which we occupy, for that which you claim.

I really have given you what you need throughout this forum.

, silly man, no, you haven't. I've informed you otherwise. Apparently you choose to either ignore or disbelieve my informing. In either case, strongly suggest that you use the experience of my interaction with you to better develop the rational for the laying down of benjamins to experience that which you offer that your mission relies upon...so far that rational amounts to 'it's magic'. Mine is not the only critically thinking mind that your message will encounter. Perhaps your business model accounts for the 'loss' of critical thinkers such as myself, and relies rather on the fiscal contribution of 'other than critical thinkers' for success. If so I'll expect further dismissive replies (or none at all), if not, I'll look forward to informative replies.

You must find out the rest for yourself. This is the traditional way.

...yes, it is. The traditional way that I've followed has not passed through magic. And I've shared it in detail with the Forum...no "it's so great but I can't tell you about it, you'll have to buy a ticket to the show" crap. Thus my question to you. I hope you see my questions as an opportunity as opposed to an inquisition. Your perception of said may be an indicator of your motives...I humbly offer. For you to consider.

If you don't like it, find something you do like.

I have, which has rendered investigation of that which you hock unnecessary. It's for those that haven't for which I speak.

 

Silly man, look to yourself. Do you want to hock magic or do you want to hock a physio-neuro-chemical ability? Learn of that of which you hock and the critical thinkers will be appeased. And attracted. Word up homie, ignorance don't sell.

 

So wisen-up your self.

 

Offered peacefully and as respectfully as I could.

 

xeno

Edited November 9, 2007 by xenolith

[Smile]

i imagine that since this technique was a guarded secret in the 'old days,' then the people who were left alone to figure it out were not likely novices, but well-seasoned cultivators.

Yep. I don't believe many are qualified to practice this, for you need to be very sensitive to see the effects and balance it with stillness practice. A good teacher would be recommended to observe your progress and correct any problems if necessary. I learned a simular method many years ago from another teacher and he wasn't teaching it to anyone because he didn't see people ready or willing to face the truth. Times are changing though...

 

This from the guy with 450 posts.

 

Chris has something that is found lacking in your posts: genuine sincerity. Quite different from your often arrogant, demeaning, elitist posts. Maybe if you stopped teaching everyone all the time, you might accidentally learn something.

Sean is a good guy. Most know very little of him as a person so please lets be nice to each other.

Edited November 9, 2007 by Smile

[Todd]

i'm the *only one * who actually went to a seminar and openly leveled a criticism at it. i'm not one of many. i'm one. and maybe the uniqueness of my position was a bigger threat to the image, and maybe THAT'S why you reacted the way you did.

 

 

I'm not sure why I'm stepping in here, but you were the only one? How was I so easily erased? I shared my experience, then let it be. If we attacked everyone who said an untrue thing, we'd be attacking everyone, every time they opened their mouths. Besides, I don't know the way. What use is it to tell everyone else that they don't know the way either? It might be that people who are taken in are getting exactly what they want, and to them they are not being taken in. They are following their integrity. Hard to say. In my perception, there were strong elements of hypnotism at work. It is an interesting question, however, how much of our lives is not influenced by such hypnotic conditioning? I also saw the dancing girl only spinning clockwise, and never counterclockwise. What is a true perception? And what are we creating with our views?

 

...

 

 

On a related not, for everyone's consideration, via thelerner's practice journal, Alan Watt's essay "The Trickster Guru": "...be sure to have about thirty or forty different stages of progress worked out, giving them numbers, and suggest that there are still some extremely high stages beyond those numbered which can only be understood by those who have reached twenty-eight - so no point in discussing them now." Read more.

[Cameron]

I think we can safely seperate the awakening crowd into 2 different groups.

 

Those who don't beleive that Dragons exist and those who do.

 

IMHO, the those who don't beleive that Dragons exist are boring as hell and sit around more or less talking about nothing(ok..they probably do help people also)

 

The those who do believe(and there students) are on another level of fun and excitement that the those who don't beleive frankly can't keep up with.

 

It's ok if you can't keep up with Dragons...no one will judge you..even though you judge the Dragon

[Sahaj Nath]

I'm not sure why I'm stepping in here, but you were the only one? How was I so easily erased? I shared my experience, then let it be. If we attacked everyone who said an untrue thing, we'd be attacking everyone, every time they opened their mouths. Besides, I don't know the way. What use is it to tell everyone else that they don't know the way either? It might be that people who are taken in are getting exactly what they want, and to them they are not being taken in. They are following their integrity. Hard to say. In my perception, there were strong elements of hypnotism at work. It is an interesting question, however, how much of our lives is not influenced by such hypnotic conditioning? I also saw the dancing girl only spinning clockwise, and never counterclockwise. What is a true perception? And what are we creating with our views?

 

you did share your experience, and i forgot about that. you reminded me that max claimed to be physically immortal at the free lecture. still, you didn't really level a criticism, so i wouldn't include you as being 'in the fray' so to speak). you said it wasn't for you. in fact, your post now is about why NOT to criticize, in a sense. so i still wouldn't say that you fit what i'm talking about.

 

your point about attacking everyone who says an untrue thing sort of misses the mark. i mean, it's a nice sentiment, but there are degrees as well as contexts.

 

 

 

again, believe what you will.

Edited November 9, 2007 by Hundun

[Todd]

you did share your experience, and i forgot about that. you reminded me that max claimed to be physically immortal at the free lecture. still, you didn't really level a criticism, so i wouldn't include you as being 'in the fray' so to speak). you said it wasn't for you. in fact, your post now is about why NOT to criticize, in a sense. so i still wouldn't say that you fit what i'm talking about.

 

your point about attacking everyone who says an untrue thing sort of misses the mark. i mean, it's a nice sentiment, but there are degrees as well as contexts.

again, believe what you will.

 

Wow this is fun, arguing about the past.

 

Let me refresh your memory.

 

"I am not as energetically developed as Hundun apparently is. I certainly cannot see energy being streamed, but I will say that I was very much turned off by the seminar.

...

I had something to learn, and perhaps Kunlun has something to offer me as a practice, but if there is a direction to truth, further involvement with these seminars is the opposite direction for me."

 

and

 

"I don't mind being told lies, since everything is a lie from a certain perspective. (Everything is right from a certain perspective too, Cam. I am not attacking you, or anyone's experience, here.) However, please don't ask me to believe you when you tell me lies. It makes me think you don't want me to see the truth.

 

I could be wrong though. All of this could be true. I've only got my gut and my eyes and my intelligence to go by. Mostly my gut though."

 

and

 

"Energy stuff happens with awakening, but awakening is NOT about energy stuff. One of the main reasons that I will not be going to more seminars, is that the energy stuff is being presented as the real deal, whereas in my perspective, its just more stuff. Its about experiences, and what we can GET. I like experience. I like stuff. But truth always comes before experience for me. Thats just my quirk, and its a quality I look for in spiritual teachers. I like for them to be able to point toward truth on a fairly consistent basis. I don't need anyone to point me toward more stuff. I'm a bit too thick headed in my desire for more stuff to have someone keep encouraging that desire within me.

 

I guess going to this seminar was about exploring my desire for more stuff. My response was, "Allright. I didn't like that. Time to get back to truth." Truth is more about an attitude, and does not preclude more stuff. I did not find that attitude at the seminar.

 

...

 

This enjoyment does not equate with enlightenment or bringing students closer to truth in my opinion, however."

 

Of course, I'm just highlighting the negative stuff. I left it in a cloud of "I don't know" since i actually don't know. Of course, I am partial to my experience. It is a sad person who has not seen their experience proven wrong time and time again, though. I certainly am not saying you are wrong or were wrong. I am just wondering why it is so important to you to be the only one to have shared a thumbs down experience of Max and the seminar?

 

Does the world really need our argument with it?

 

What do I know though? Maybe you're an enlightened sage, showing us the way. The question I was trying to open up, beyond he whole misperception of yourself and the ONE standing up for truth, is: if you are not enlightened, do these arguments and assertions bring you closer to truth? If you are not in full recognition of truth, are you really leading others towards truth? Are we not the pot calling the kettle black when we assert that our views are somehow more true that Max's views, or those of his followers?

 

I get the point that in relative terms, you have leveled some very valid criticisms, that were not being aired. In relative terms, I am thankful to you for doing that, since I certainly wasn't in the mood to get into a fracas, and was pleasantly surprised when no one 'cept Cam took my bait.

 

So why am I writing this to you? Who knows?

 

Get what you will out of it.

 

And certainly, believe what you will.

[Todd]

 

The those who do believe(and there students) are on another level of fun and excitement that the those who don't beleive frankly can't keep up with.

 

 

I guess you're just way more funner.

 

On a dour, serious, backward note, why believe in dragons if they exist? Why disbelieve if they don't?

 

I don't care what you believe, though I do have some resistance to the fact that you do believe.

 

I know, thats no fun. I'm working on it

[Mantra68]

 

a week or so ago i taught the kunlun 1 method to 2 of my students (uh oh, hundun's hijacking the system!). i told them all about my experience at the seminar and my criticisms and the whole nine. and they both know that i don't practice it. but i didn't want my attitude to keep them from exploring something that could potentially benefit them.

 

one of them is really taking a liking to it. that's fine by me. if he benefits from the practice then i'm happy and i'm grateful that you and yours have chosen to share this with the world. and should he decide at some point to attend a seminar, i'll support him the same way everyone supported me.

 

i didn't want to cause any complications for the man by outing him, but Kan was the one i was referring to when i said one of Max's students recognized and commented on my energy level in a manner that Max himself seemed incapable of doing, even in our private session. and Kan happens to also be a qigong master apart from any training he later did with Max. but his energy didn't really speak to me, either.

 

i see and listen with more than my eyes and ears, and i don't just go with "i have a feeling," either.

"one moment with one individual (out of hundreds)" makes it sound as if you've been put through the ringer here and taken it all in stride. i'm the *only one * who actually went to a seminar and openly leveled a criticism at it. i'm not one of many. i'm one. and maybe the uniqueness of my position was a bigger threat to the image, and maybe THAT'S why you reacted the way you did.

 

Wow, what can I say? My instincts were spot on with you. Good luck dude.

 

Good luck with your standing postures too. Oh wait, those are too hard. Never mind.

 

Anyway, you seem to know what you are doing.

 

After all you have "outed" a big phoney like Max. You are right and everyone else (including the Dalai Lama) were wrong about him. Hundun knows best.

 

Kan (another "nobody") too failed to see your "power" that isn't there. Fools.

 

I drop my guard to try to be nice to you, you see it as a chance to attack. Sweet.

 

You will make a great teacher. You are an inspiration. In fact, I think I'll go pick up a day laborer to help teach me how to build a free energy machine. Why not?

 

Those who can't do, teach.

 

Amazing.

[Sahaj Nath]

Wow, what can I say? My instincts were spot on with you. Good luck dude.

 

Good luck with your standing postures too. Oh wait, those are too hard. Never mind.

 

Anyway, you seem to know what you are doing.

 

After all you have "outed" a big phoney like Max. You are right and everyone else (including the Dalai Lama) were wrong about him. Hundun knows best.

 

Kan (another "nobody") too failed to see your "power" that isn't there. Fools.

 

I drop my guard to try to be nice to you, you see it as a chance to attack. Sweet.

 

You will make a great teacher. You are an inspiration. In fact, I think I'll go pick up a day laborer to help teach me how to build a free energy machine. Why not?

 

Those who can't do, teach.

 

Amazing.

 

really? THIS is your response?

 

[Cameron]

I guess you're just way more funner.

 

On a dour, serious, backward note, why believe in dragons if they exist? Why disbelieve if they don't?

 

I don't care what you believe, though I do have some resistance to the fact that you do believe.

 

I know, thats no fun. I'm working on it

 

 

Todd..let's please not state the obvious. I think your a good guy and am looking forward to all the good you will do as an acupuncturist and future Adyashanti awakening success story!

[Sahaj Nath]

Wow this is fun, arguing about the past.

 

Let me refresh your memory.

 

 

...

 

This enjoyment does not equate with enlightenment or bringing students closer to truth in my opinion, however."

 

Of course, I'm just highlighting the negative stuff. I left it in a cloud of "I don't know" since i actually don't know. Of course, I am partial to my experience. It is a sad person who has not seen their experience proven wrong time and time again, though. I certainly am not saying you are wrong or were wrong. I am just wondering why it is so important to you to be the only one to have shared a thumbs down experience of Max and the seminar?

 

Does the world really need our argument with it?

 

What do I know though? Maybe you're an enlightened sage, showing us the way. The question I was trying to open up, beyond he whole misperception of yourself and the ONE standing up for truth, is: if you are not enlightened, do these arguments and assertions bring you closer to truth? If you are not in full recognition of truth, are you really leading others towards truth? Are we not the pot calling the kettle black when we assert that our views are somehow more true that Max's views, or those of his followers?

 

I get the point that in relative terms, you have leveled some very valid criticisms, that were not being aired. In relative terms, I am thankful to you for doing that, since I certainly wasn't in the mood to get into a fracas, and was pleasantly surprised when no one 'cept Cam took my bait.

 

So why am I writing this to you? Who knows?

 

Get what you will out of it.

 

And certainly, believe what you will.

 

 

clearly i should have gone back and read your posts. my bad. you did put it out there. so that makes two of us, though you weren't in the 'fracas,' as it were.

 

i did feel like i was the only one, and i did feel like i was standing up for truth. i got a number of private emails and messages from people who agreed with me but didn't want to catch any heat for it. so yeah, i felt like i shouldering a lot stuff on my own for a lot of people, and for the 'truth,' if that's the term you want to use.

 

it wasn't important for me to be the only one; in fact, it sucked to feel that way. my hope was to inspire others to come forward. the discrepancies didn't take a genius to see.

 

the point was that mantra framed his position as if he was responding to hundreds of critics, as if my criticism was just the final straw on a mountain of similar ones and he finally "lost his patience" for a moment, as apparently he did again in this thread. lol!

 

but no, the world doesn't need our arguments with it.

 

the world doesn't need us at all. not really the point, though. we determine values for ourselves, based on our information and experiences. and i believe my criticism to be of value to those who would otherwise follow blindly or be enticed enough to travel across the country when almost everything they're reading says that this guy could be the real deal.

 

could i be wrong? sure. but obviously i don't think that's likely.

[Cameron]

Hundun is a good guy but my sense is what Chris said is 100% spot on accurate.

 

Eyyores...the world(and this board) is full of eyyores.

 

Max is like Super Winnie the Pooh and Chris is like Tigger(or whatever) and the negative people here who are judging Pooh Bear and Tigger are basically Eyyores.

 

I am sorry Eyyores(Todd,Hundun and Trunk) you have your place in the comic but please let's not get too jealous of Winnie and Tigger.

 

I am not even in the comic so it's not an ego thing and don't turn it into one Eyyore #1, #2 and #3

 

namaste

[Cameron]

Then again I suppose there is a rabbit in there also so maybe I am in there.

 

I am rusty on my Pooh Bear knowledge.

 

Ok..I found a clip on the mighty Youtube Eyyores.

 

[minkus]

I always liked opposites though somewhere this thread is not in tune with the tao

[Cameron]

I always liked opposites though somewhere this thread is not in tune with the tao

 

 

Ok, apparently we have an Eyyore #4.

[minkus]

Ok, apparently we have an Eyyore #4.

 

You mistake the little hurt inside me when seeing all these highly spiritual people argue with judgement.