3bob Posted November 10, 2014 evil has no inherent root, it only last as long as it steals, twists, etc. thus take away the theft, twisting, fear, etc. and then all that is left is the real root. (in other words untwist spiritual darkness and fear then all that is left is fearless spiritual light) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Yes, you have said something there but I feel it is incomplete. (Expressions of dualities.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Perhaps evil is inherited, rather than inherent; If so then we would most likely perceive our evil to be good ... Edited November 10, 2014 by iain 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Perhaps evil is inherited, rather than inherent; If so then we would most likely perceive our evil to be good ... Hehehe. Yes, you too have said something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Okay, I will say something. Evil is learned. Just as kindness is. Don't like what you are? Unlearn it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaguaKicksAss Posted November 10, 2014 Good doesn't have an inherent root either . I mean aside from these being man made concepts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Good doesn't have an inherent root either . I mean aside from these being man made concepts. Exactly. We are born beyond dualities. Instinct causes us to be selfish. We have to learn to share. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rex Posted November 10, 2014 evil has no inherent root, it only last as long as it steals, twists, etc.It's pretty damned persistent then. When not active couldn't it be lurking and waiting for opportunities to manifest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) "Good" as the first manifested and unbreakable connection to non-dual Source of all -has its root to Source through said connection - along with good at that first universal matrix being giving, supporting, of first light-of first purity-of first heaven which is without theft, stealing, twisting or corruption of itself in fear or malice to lord it over on others - her golden white-light child who is all grown up stands resolute in that Sun of all myriad suns as friend to all beings. Om Edited November 10, 2014 by 3bob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 WoW! You got mystical on us. Could you translate that into layman's terms? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 10, 2014 Well there is a time for night and a time for day; it really is as simple as that. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaguaKicksAss Posted November 10, 2014 Is there anything with an inherent root? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Is there anything with an inherent root? A wisdom tooth? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 10, 2014 My take: the eternal, deathless and unchanging is the inherent root otherwise it would be corruptible and change-able, for instance the great Tao would then be corruptible and rootless. Also the connection between Tao and the One is unbreakable, thus the One is rooted to the inherent root. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) It sounds to me as though we are squaring the circle here and might become all pi arsed looking for its root.That said, 2 has a magic root and it is square ... Edited November 10, 2014 by iain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 My take: the eternal, deathless and unchanging is the inherent root otherwise it would be corruptible and change-able, for instance the great Tao would then be corruptible and rootless. Also the connection between Tao and the One is unbreakable, thus the One is rooted to the inherent root. Yes, 3bob, but what you are speaking to is beyond good and evil. It is what it is. That is all. But I do agree with you, the Tao, the One, is incorruptible. We humans, on the other hand, ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 It sounds to me as though we are squaring the circle here and might become all pi arsed looking for its root. That said, 2 has a magic root and it is square ... No, actually, we are rounding the corners of the square. It then becomes a circle. Circles are good. So are cycles. Yes, two is special because it comes after one and before three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bud Jetsun Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) "Evil" is merely manifested actions as a result of fear-thoughts. The duality illusion is created by the two types of thoughts humans are capable of having, those of fear and those of Love. All human thought origins are from Love or fear. When one thinks fearful thoughts, one is living in evil. If you act upon your fearful thoughts, you are doing evil. If you wish to cease doing evil, manifest mindfulness and choose loving thoughts. Edited November 10, 2014 by Bud Jetsun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 10, 2014 Well, I liked your post except for this statement. All human thought origins are from Love or fear. There is much more to life than that. And more complex as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Good doesn't have an inherent root either . I mean aside from these being man made concepts. Yeee eee ss .... but , in another way we can pretend it does have an inherit root ( eg; in the concept of Ma'at ) , the value is not in the image, but in what maintains the image ... the 'offerings unto it ' ... the outline of behaviour , the desired 'mind sets', the 'psychological exercises ' ... and actions that lead one to 'good' or 'bad' behavior. One could consider the root of evil Angra Mainyu ( angry mind or spirit ) * - not his mythological actions or social politics, but an idea against 'tyranny' 'caste', cruelty to animals, polluting the elements, disrespecting the dog, animal sacrifice, taking drugs ( like speed - soma) in ritual ,,, to become enraged with Soma for battle ,,, to sweep all, before thee ... to be the thousand testicled one ! (ooops ... I even got a little carried away there just writing about it ) * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angra_Mainyu Edited November 11, 2014 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) No, actually, we are rounding the corners of the square. It then becomes a circle. Circles are good. So are cycles. Yes, two is special because it comes after one and before three. Squaring the circle is still impossible, it currently involves a leap of faith that is π. The square root of 2 is also an irrational number. The square root of i is -1; giving the cartisian plane of imaginary numbers depending entirely upon this value. All fantastical belief systems which are all very useful, non of them have any inherent evil. Yet those of Cartesian linear thought, might well correlate irrationals to something frightening such as one who wields a trident ... When it is quite simply the case that some numbers live upon the planes and others in the mountains. If you do not see a similarity between math (मथ्), good and evil; keep studying, there is geometry in everything; Including the Tao. ... Edited November 11, 2014 by iain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
z00se Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Good, Evil, the 5 forces, and further splits, etc, are always there, they're always in the roots depending on how you percieve it. The one can exist without the 5 forces, and the 5 forces can exist without the one. Depending on where you begin, it's always going from 10 thousand back give or take a few million, to one... of from one back to the 10 thousand or so. Which came first the chicken or the egg, either is just as likely as being the root of the cycle of chickenism. Edited November 11, 2014 by z00se Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Which came first the chicken or the egg, either is just as likely as being the root of the cycle of chickenism. If you look closely you will observe that fish make eggs, to my mind though perhaps erroneously; They have been doing so since long before humans engineered chickens or rather domesticated them. Come on seriously; do you think chickens would survive in the wild? The egg came first; brahmanda. Edited November 11, 2014 by iain 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
z00se Posted November 11, 2014 The egg came first; brahmanda. From a extreemly close looking chicken relative 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
