The Caduceus, Energy Center, and Bronze Serpent

[FraterUFA]

 

Edited July 10, 2015 by FraterUFA

[vonkrankenhaus]

Re:

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"So there is this matter of the serpent being raised upon a pole."

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This is about time as measured by the precession of the equinoxes.

 

The serpent is the constellation Draco.

 

The "Pearl" of the Chinese, and the ball at the top of the staff in the West, is the ecliptic pole.

 

The time of the serpent is the time the pole star is in Draco, which spans thousands of years.

 

This is the time of the Fall of Mankind described in the Bible and other ancient texts and legends.

 

After this time, civilization and agriculture (slavery) became widespread.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

Edited January 2, 2015 by vonkrankenhaus

[jyakulis]

So then... what is the cross? And what significance does it have that the serpent is mounted to it?

 

The cross is a metaphor for sacrifice of the flesh or ego. It is both literal and esoteric.

 

Hence the verse:

 

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

 

Additionally, the serpent could be seen as following the lowest carnal/animal desire.

 

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

 

Again here we see the battle of following Spirit vs. Flesh. Peter mentions the damage received to the Soul.

 

 

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

 

Let me pose this question. Did Jesus believe Peter was Satan here? Or did he use it to refer to someone acting from a lower fear based human state.

 

Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

Edited January 3, 2015 by jyakulis

[jyakulis]

Those who say that the Lord died first and (then) rose up are in error, for he rose up first and (then) died. If one does not first attain the resurrection, he will not die.

 

Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing. So also when speaking about baptism they say, "Baptism is a great thing," because if people receive it they will live.

 

And in addition gnostic texts refer to the Holy Spirit as a feminine force:

 

Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman? Mary is the virgin whom no power defiled. She is a great anathema to the Hebrews, who are the apostles and the apostolic men. This virgin whom no power defiled [...] the powers defile themselves. And the Lord would not have said "My Father who is in Heaven" (Mt 16:17), unless he had had another father, but he would have said simply "My father".

Edited January 3, 2015 by jyakulis

[Nungali]

So, I need a scientific paper on energy centers. OK!!!!!

 

I don't need to explain anything to you. You're a hater with nothing significant to add to any of what I'm talking about. When you provide something pertinent or a counter point of what the bronze serprent is to you. Then you'll have my attention. Until then this is the summary of your argument.

 

That's not true because .................................

 

 

Yeah ........ because you don't have a counter argument. You're a hater.

 

I'm not explaining revelations 11 to you or Jacobs ladder. What's the point. Not like you'll have anything interesting to add to it. You'll be like that's not true because .........................

 

Oh wait again, you have no because.

 

Do you actually offer any legitimate counterpoints to any of the verses I attempted to interpret?

 

Also, the one link I posted was from acupuncture today. I don't know if this counts in your worldview. You're funny. You post here but need a scientific journal that's peer approved to be able to discern what's right and what's wrong. Good luck in your search lol.

 

Just thought I would weigh in as an 'outside observer' ... dude, you have just reacted as an internet nut and started using the typical ploys of one. I am not saying you ARE one, but you are acting and responding like one;

 

Exaggeration, assuming someone is full of hate because they disagree, mild abuse, say good luck and then laugh.

 

It isnt giving your subject or yourself any credit

[Nungali]

Firstly, to approach this sensibly, lets look at your earliest statements of 'fact' (which are in fact assumptions);

 

(I am avoiding what I consider an erroneous description of soul as you presented that as a belief of your own - fair enough.)

 

But this is a self-asserting statement that the a lot of your developed 'theory' rests on; " Notice how the caduceus has 6 points where the snakes cross followed by a 7th kind of seen at the top."

 

There are many types of serpent on crosses symbolism , not all appear like this, why is this one more valid than the others (aside from the issue that it fits your theory). I note it is you that specifically used the term caduceus, which is not usually a cross symbol at all. Let's look at some caduceus;

 

Magical;

 

3 crossings, 4 at the most.

 

Medical:

 

 

 

4 crossings - 5 at the most.

 

Note - it is not a cross but a winged staff s.

 

 

here is an interesting one that seems to show how the caduceus pattern does not follow the pattern of DNA arrangements in a double helix;

 

 

 

 

 

and here only 3 crossings ( b )

 

These are all from your source - google .

 

 

 

Now to Chakras: Did you know there are not any specific number of chakras ?

 

 

here 3 ;

 

 

 

here 8 ;

 

 

 

here 5

 

 

 

 

and here 7 ;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or 11 .

 

 

 

again ... all from your source - google.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Nungali

[FraterUFA]

That's the cutest chakra chart I've ever seen. :-)

[jyakulis]

Just thought I would weigh in as an 'outside observer' ... dude, you have just reacted as an internet nut and started using the typical ploys of one. I am not saying you ARE one, but you are acting and responding like one;

 

Exaggeration, assuming someone is full of hate because they disagree, mild abuse, say good luck and then laugh.

 

It isnt giving your subject or yourself any credit

 

Well perhaps I overreacted. Just the initial post irked me. Suppose he made up for it.

 

Look I only know what's written in scripture. I'm not going to get in debates about a soul. That is a question of faith. And no by scripture a Soul is not your own. I already posted scripture on that. The idea is to obtain the resurrection during life to possess it if what Phillip says is true.

 

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

 

― Thomas Aquinas

Edited January 3, 2015 by jyakulis

[Nungali]

That's the cutest chakra chart I've ever seen. :-)

 

He is half way through 'Salute to the Sun'.

[Nungali]

Well perhaps I overreacted. Just the initial post irked me. Suppose he made up for it.

 

Look I only know what's written in scripture. I'm not going to get in debates about a soul. That is a question of faith. And no by scripture a Soul is not your own. I already posted scripture on that. The idea is to obtain the resurrection during life to possess it if what Phillip says is true.

 

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

 

― Thomas Aquinas

 

Oh, I have no contention with your soul belief - and I said I wasn't going to get into it .... but the caduceus thing is another matter. I will contend with that.

 

I dont know why you chose to respond to the bit I wasn't going to debate about with a comment that you are not going to debate about it and haven't responded to the bit I was going to debate about ...

[jyakulis]

Oh the soul comment was to frater. I combined my response. My contention is that early Christians were more concerned with enlightenment than what is taught today. The burning bush is one example.

 

What did you want to contend with me on?

 

And to be honest maybe you're right I am full of hate. I have next to no friends and live mostly in solitude. I came on here to find like minded friends really so I guess I was hurt by prior comments. So sorry. I'm really not a bad guy. Just not good with people.

[jyakulis]

Perhaps I should have phrased my thread more like these are some Bible verses I've been meditating on and more so what is your guys opinion.

[Aetherous]

And to be honest maybe you're right I am full of hate. I have next to no friends and live mostly in solitude. I came on here to find like minded friends really so I guess I was hurt by prior comments. So sorry. I'm really not a bad guy. Just not good with people.

 

Eh, who is?

 

I would not say you're full of hate...but hate arises in every single one of us from time to time, and what we do with it is what's important. Who can say they're perfect in this?

 

I would say you have found like minded friends here...but people just get into discussion mode, and are passionate about truth. If we all met up in real life for tea or something, it'd be a much friendlier conversation.

[FraterUFA]

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Edited June 1, 2015 by FraterUFA

[Nungali]

Oh the soul comment was to frater.

 

The usual convention on a forum is that if one quotes someone, the comment below the quote relates to the person quoted.

 

 

I combined my response. My contention is that early Christians were more concerned with enlightenment than what is taught today. The burning bush is one example.

 

What did you want to contend with me on?

 

All the stuff in my post that questions what you said about the caduceus ... ummmm how could you miss it, its big has lots of pictures of them .... and ... its on page 2 at post # 32 ... did you skip through your own thread and not read the posts in it ?

 

 

And to be honest maybe you're right I am full of hate.

 

Maybe you would be better to use the new people you are meeting here to talk about that?

 

What do you think made you full of hate?

 

I have next to no friends and live mostly in solitude

 

Well. I have friends, but I rarely see them, and not many, I have a few I see a bit and they are rather annoying ... I live in a cabin on the edge of a rainforest and can go for days and days at a time without even seeing a human. Yes, solitude ... so you might not be that ;alone ; here in that regard.

 

I came on here to find like minded friends really so I guess I was hurt by prior comments. So sorry. I'm really not a bad guy. Just not good with people.

 

Well, explaining yourself this way, I think is a good start. You know, you can use this forum to develop and refine your ideas, take valid criticisms on board, just spend a bit of time in observation and see who you think is a good source and who is not.

 

Dont worry about clashing ... sparks of truth from swords and all that .... just be careful not to put those that can help you off side ... or if you want to give out stuff and smart arse or disdain ( I do at times) ... be prepared to get it back.