Is there any evidence that DMT is produced in the Pineal Gland

[phore]

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3146

 

I am wondering if there is any evidence beyond speculation, that DMT is produced in the pineal gland. 

 

The above link to erowid states that this fact is unknown.  I have been hearing mass rumors about this phenomenon for years. 

 

I have also encountered rumors that sunlight disrupts this process.  If anyone has any evidence concerning this I would be grateful for the contribution. 

 

I understand that the presence of dmt in the human body is proven to be true.  I am asking about its means of production.

 

Love and Light

Tony

[Flolfolil]

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[voidisyinyang]

https://www.cottonwoodresearch.org/dmt-pineal-2013/

 

yeah pretty much - rat brains = human brains more or less.

 

http://disinfo.com/2013/05/breakthrough-dmt-found-in-the-pineal-gland-of-live-rats/

 

 

In 2013, researchers first reported DMT in the pineal gland microdialysate of rodents.^[25]

A study published in 2014 reported the biosynthesis of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in the human melanoma cell line SK-Mel-147 including details on its metabolism by peroxidases.^[26]

In a 2014 paper, a group first demonstrated the immunomodulatory potential of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT through the Sigma-1 receptor of human immune cells. This immunomodulatory activity may contribute to significant anti-inflammatory effects and tissue regeneration.^[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

 

 

In 2011, Nicholas V. Cozzi, of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health, concluded that INMT, an enzyme that may be associated with the biosynthesis of DMT and endogenous hallucinogens, is present in the primate (rhesus macaque) pineal gland, retinal ganglion neurons, and spinal cord.^[106] In August 2012, Steven Barker, Ethan McIlHenny, and Rick Strassman, developed a new method to measure the three known endogenous hallucinogens and their major N-oxide metabolites in blood, urine, cerebrospinal fluid, ocular fluid and/or other tissues by using state-of-the-art liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LC/MS) equipment. For the first time in history, they were able to detect the DMT-N-oxide metabolite in blood and urine.^[107]

 

http://psychedelicfrontier.com/dmt-found-pineal-glands-live-rats/

 

[phore]

https://www.cottonwoodresearch.org/dmt-pineal-2013/

 

yeah pretty much - rat brains = human brains more or less.

 

http://disinfo.com/2013/05/breakthrough-dmt-found-in-the-pineal-gland-of-live-rats/

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

 

 

 

http://psychedelicfrontier.com/dmt-found-pineal-glands-live-rats/

Thanks for the links Drew and Apeiron. 

It looks like they only came out with these studies last year, so I can see why erowid hasnt updated their records yet. 

 

Drew,

In another thread recently you mentioned that blue light inhibits the synthesis of melatonin.  I assume that this would also inhibit the formation of DMT. 

Could you explain this mechanism in more detail. 

Does this mean that it would not be detrimental to the pineal gland to sleep in the presence of other colors of light, such as pink or purple light?

 

Thank you

Love and Light

Tony

[vonkrankenhaus]

During the daytime, we face the Sun. During the nighttime we face out of the solar system towards "outer space".

 

The peak energetic influence is not at 12pm or 12am, but more like 2pm and 2am.

 

Melatonin, linked to the pineal gland and DMT production, is certainly related to various human and environment cycles - and here I give one secret - to know a woman's ovulation, look to the dark melatonin pigment just around the anus. If this is jet black, then ovulation is happening. This skin changes constantly in time with ovulation cycle, and at one point even turns pale. There are many more such "indicators" on human beings and animals.

 

The sensitivity to blue (ultraviolet) light that comes with darkness training is generated from (over)-exposure to infra-red light, and is a step towards increasing sensitivity to vibrations beyond visible light.

 

The purpose of DMT in this training is to train for making internal mental imagery from these non-visible vibrations so to translate them into human understanding.

 

This gives us an advanced awareness of human growth from the Earth life to the spirit realm and growing from the physical body to the spirit body.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[phore]

During the daytime, we face the Sun. During the nighttime we face out of the solar system towards "outer space".

 

The peak energetic influence is not at 12pm or 12am, but more like 2pm and 2am.

 

Melatonin, linked to the pineal gland and DMT production, is certainly related to various human and environment cycles - and here I give one secret - to know a woman's ovulation, look to the dark melatonin pigment just around the anus. If this is jet black, then ovulation is happening. This skin changes constantly in time with ovulation cycle, and at one point even turns pale. There are many more such "indicators" on human beings and animals.

 

The sensitivity to blue (ultraviolet) light that comes with darkness training is generated from (over)-exposure to infra-red light, and is a step towards increasing sensitivity to vibrations beyond visible light.

 

The purpose of DMT in this training is to train for making internal mental imagery from these non-visible vibrations so to translate them into human understanding.

 

This gives us an advanced awareness of human growth from the Earth life to the spirit realm and growing from the physical body to the spirit body.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

I have several devices which emit Far-infrared heat including, a mattress pad, 2 box heaters, and some black tourmaline.  I possesed 2 parabolic infrared heat lamps, but they both went out a few months ago. 

 

How do you suggest exposing oneself to infrared? 

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"How do you suggest exposing oneself to infrared?"

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Best way is natural fire light or candle light.

 

Fluorescent light is no good during darkness training, and most electric light is not so good. Red & amber incandescent bulbs are something we experimented with for years (various kinds), but best is candle or fire if light is needed.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[phore]

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"How do you suggest exposing oneself to infrared?"

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Best way is natural fire light or candle light.

 

Fluorescent light is no good during darkness training, and most electric light is not so good. Red & amber incandescent bulbs are something we experimented with for years (various kinds), but best is candle or fire if light is needed.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

Thank you.

 

Concerning the flourescent light.  I was once in a house that had a very old flourescent light.  It seemed to flash slower than newer ones. 

My friends and I took the back of a spoon, and waved it back and forth really fast (Like you would do with a chinese fabric fan)  the spectrum of light expanded on the back of the spoon into a lot of off purple and green. 

 

Love and Light.

Tony

[seekingbuddha]

The following is what i refer to as humans of future, evolving science to such an extent, where spirituality gets consumed under  discovery of various genes/drugs/neurochemical-reactions:

 

From wikipedia......."One common feature of the halluginogenic experience caused by DMT are hallucinations of humanoid like beings, characterised as being otherworldly. The terms Machine Elf was coined by ethnobotanist Terence McKenna for the experience, who also used the terms fractal elves, or self-transforming machine elves.^[91][92]

 

Hallucinations of strange creatures had been reported by Szara in the Journal of Mental Science (now the British Journal of Psychiatry) (1958) “Dimethyltryptamine Experiments with Psychotics”, Stephen Szara described how one of his subjects under the influence of DMT had experienced “strange creatures, dwarves or something” at the beginning of a DMT trip.^[93]

 

Other researchers of the experience described 'entities' or 'beings' in humanoid as well as animal form, with descriptions of "little people" being common (non-human gnomes, elves, imps etc.). This form of hallucination has been speculated to be the cause of alien abduction experiences through endogenously occurring DMT.^[94][95]"

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"Other researchers of the experience described 'entities' or 'beings' in humanoid as well as animal form, with descriptions of "little people" being common (non-human gnomes, elves, imps etc.)."

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I am very familiar with this.

 

These specific "machine elves" can be seen by people who take either synthetic chemicals, or synthetically isolated compounds. They are never seen by people using completely natural whole plant materials.

 

The phenomena is similar to the way tobacco shamans will see insect spirits which love tobacco.

 

What this is - it is a phenomena related to the way anyone who is strict vegetarian and then eats animal or fish flesh will likely have some sort of dream related to the energy retained in the flesh of that animal.

 

In the tobacco example, they are smoking insect eggs - so they dreaming insects, larvae, eggs, that want more tobacco.

 

The tobacco reduces the shaman's life energy by poisoning him. His functions go inside and periphery becomes numb. In this state, subtle energies and thoughts are very amplified. Just a core of consciousness and function is going on during poisoning or "tripping".

 

In the case of synthetic or isolated DMT, this is the mechanical process of producing the chemicals. The mechanical process seems cold and calculating to a human intelligence, and this is what these people are describing.

 

These may be interesting, fun, etc, but they are not really advanced phenomena. Real goal of training goes much past this kind of thing and differentiates intuition into much finer experiences and sensitivities.

 

The psychology that has been applied to this simple stuff is astounding. If these are taken to be showing the future, then I would say be careful what future one believes in, and be careful what one takes in during life.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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[phore]

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"Other researchers of the experience described 'entities' or 'beings' in humanoid as well as animal form, with descriptions of "little people" being common (non-human gnomes, elves, imps etc.)."

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I am very familiar with this.

 

These specific "machine elves" can be seen by people who take either synthetic chemicals, or synthetically isolated compounds. They are never seen by people using completely natural whole plant materials.

 

The phenomena is similar to the way tobacco shamans will see insect spirits which love tobacco.

 

What this is - it is a phenomena related to the way anyone who is strict vegetarian and then eats animal or fish flesh will likely have some sort of dream related to the energy retained in the flesh of that animal.

 

In the tobacco example, they are smoking insect eggs - so they dreaming insects, larvae, eggs, that want more tobacco.

 

The tobacco reduces the shaman's life energy by poisoning him. His functions go inside and periphery becomes numb. In this state, subtle energies and thoughts are very amplified. Just a core of consciousness and function is going on during poisoning or "tripping".

 

In the case of synthetic or isolated DMT, this is the mechanical process of producing the chemicals. The mechanical process seems cold and calculating to a human intelligence, and this is what these people are describing.

 

These may be interesting, fun, etc, but they are not really advanced phenomena. Real goal of training goes much past this kind of thing and differentiates intuition into much finer experiences and sensitivities.

 

The psychology that has been applied to this simple stuff is astounding. If these are taken to be showing the future, then I would say be careful what future one believes in, and be careful what one takes in during life.

 

-VonKrankenhaus

Good observations.

I sometimes think of DMT as the psychic equivalent of a thumbprint. 

Whenever people consume DMT they report all sorts of strange experiences, but when they experience their own DMT in the dream state, the experience is so seamless that people tend to think its real. 

 

Experiencing the DMT of of a plant or a synthetic process, is to communicate with the intelligence that produced the crystal.  From a spiritual perspective it is useless to get caught up in some other Karmic pattern while trying to transcend your own. 

 

Love and Light

Tony

Edited February 22, 2015 by phore

[voidisyinyang]

There's a good online report of someone who tested DMT against salvia - the DMT produced the machine elves but then the Salvia over-powered the DMT and caused the machine elves to have all their body parts switched around, all messed up. So yeah a lot of those so-called entities are just projections of the subconscious.

 

The thing is with natural pineal gland qi energy from qigong - the electromagnetic power is stronger than the electrochemical energy of the DMT from plants.

 

So I took strong doses of DMT - one dose I was in full lotus for over 4 hours - I could not move my body since the DMT stopped any intentional left-brain power I had from lasting any significant time period. I also took strong doses of salvia and salvia will pull your spirit out of your body - which really freaks people out. But for me I just flexed my pineal gland so that the electromagnetic energy was stronger than the electrochemical energy of the plant and so my spirit was just stuck halfway out of my body. I just kept laughing at the salvia while I was in full lotus like that. But salvia also opens up the pineal gland - I saw strong rainbow auras around my hands even though I was in a dark room with my eyes closed with a thick winter hat over my eyes - my hands had rainbows around them. haha. It went away fast since salvia doesn't last long and I could never reproduce it - probably, now I realize writing this - is because I had used up my jing energy to get that pineal gland vision effect and so smoking more salvia didn't recreate it. I would have needed to build up my jing energy again first.

 

Combining qigong with psychotropic plant medicine in full lotus leverages all the lower body serotonin because what really happens with DMT is it causes the brain to flood with serotonin since DMT activates your serotonin receptors so that the serotonin is then not uploaded - instead floods the brain.

 

Serotonin is a very ancient neurotransmitter - and it is in large amounts in the lower body so it is the key ingredient for kundalini, etc.

 

Normally serotonin can not pass the blood brain barrier but if you ionize your vagus nerve through the piezoelectric bone and collagen transduction from full lotus pressure and mind focus - then the serotonin can transport through the endothelial cells.

 

This then increases the charge of the qi energy as the pineal gland then transduces the serotonin into electromagnetic energy.

 

Our thoughts all come from electromagnetic energy and in reverse certain pulses of electromagnetic energy or light can change our electrochemical energy - as I posted blue light increases serotonin.

 

So if your pineal gland is already permanently magnetized you can focus it to over-ride the visions from the DMT - which are really holographic interactions with our subconscious thoughts - only in real time.

 

What psychotropics due is shut down the thalamus that normally inhibits our subconscious energies from becoming conscious via the prefrontal cortex - so we just get this direct dream state in real time.

 

So for example if you have a life threatening situation then suddenly time slows down in real time - why? Because your brain floods with adrenal which causes your thalamus and hippocampus to process information faster for storing memory. So a faster brain processing time translates to you experiencing external time more slowly - in vivid detail. If it is too traumatic then it actually damages the dopamine neurons and so then the memory is not recallable and this is what  PTSD is - or also damage from too strong psychotropics based on dopamine like meth.

 

With qigong instead the sympathetic adrenal is pushed to its extreme so that it causes what's called a sympathetic rebound - to the opposite extreme of strong parasympathetic relaxation. This is why the Thai Buddhist meditation monk master Phra Achran Mun said the best place and time to meditate is with fear of death so he would put his students in the forest infested with tigers. But, of course, he secretly used his qi to keep the tigers away from his students but they didn't know that - thinking they were going to die then they push the sympathetic to the extreme and it rebounds to the opposite extreme. Normally this effect is achieved through trance dancing or tai chi - or horse stance - so when the legs are wobbling this is the sympathetic pushed to the extreme and it causes a parasympathetic rebound - especially with the knees bent which relaxes the intestinal muscles. So for example when a person gets the "shit" scared out of them or whatever it's called - this is actually from sympathetic rebound causing the lower body to flood with serotonin which is from extreme parasympathetic nervous system activation and then having evacuated the bowels the person is able to run faster - assuming a tiger is chasing them, etc.

 

So http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/the-ayahuasca-effect/  yeah a good overview on DMT effects on serotonin levels and how that affects the brain....

 

But with a strong dose of DMT actually then the heart opens up and there's a loud OHM sound heard from the heart - while also experiencing what I call the "cosmic rainbow vortex" or astral energy. Master Nan, Huai-chin says this loud OHM sound from the heart is from the conversion of jing into qi energy and it is part of opening up the 2nd chakra.

 

But afterwards from relying on the plant-based DMT then there is a strong "spent" sensation like after a good romp in bed but actually - I called this -- well the kundalini bliss was way stronger than I had ever experienced it - it felt like my tailbone was peeled back in bliss - like when peeling a shrimp - and that's when the serotonin shot into the pineal gland and literally sounded like a gun shot and then it cracked open the pineal gland and the astral rainbow vortex kicked in. So then basically what we experience externally is directly reflected or resonated as a projection of our subconscious energy coming out of our pineal gland - with reality being holographic. So the jing energy gets used up by the plant-based DMT - you feel spent but at the same time deeply relaxed and refreshed as if your brain has been put into a deep clean cycle and your heart also - a strong bliss love - but the main message of the experience is that our ego is definitely not in charge of our reality. I desperately was glad to have my ego back - from both times I did plant-based DMT - very very glad to be back to ego-based reality - since it is like a post-death experience into a permanent "reboot" stage of reality.  For several days then the veil of reality is very thin - since you know that the rainbow vortex is the real reality - kind of like a CD has that rainbow vortex that is created from all the quantum-based light infringing as lasers on the micro-ridges. So anyway - to become a real traditional shaman with DMT-based plant training requires taking strong doses like that immediately after each other - 5 times in a row. Most people can't even handle one strong dose. haha. Also then - doing celibacy and a special salt-free diet that is also high in serotonin, banana and fish as the diet.

 

In the yoga master book "This House is On Fire" Shri Dhyanayogi has a student who had made contact with a DMT shaman in the Amazon - and the yogi and the DMT shaman made contact astrally.

 

But essentially the Ande shaman tradition relies on dark cave meditation - like the Kogi, the only intact Pre-Colombian tribe has their boys at age 9 go into cave meditation for 9 years. So with the plant-based DMT shaman they are dependent on the plants to heal people and also to see inside people's bodies to detect blockages - but definitely it is the plant that does the healing. Only if they incorporate the Andean meditation training then the shaman is also able to send energy into the other people to heal them - but they do rely on singing to guide the energy.

 

The thing with singing is that it will naturally activate and ionize the vagus nerve as the voice is the jing energy being transmitted - so the chills from music called frission is proven to be vagus nerve activation that increases your dopamine levels - this internal tingling is actually the yin chi energy neutralizing free radicals in the body. So then with deeper trance singing it is called the Mozart effect which is the slow middle movements of Baroque and early classical music that are 60 beats per minute or one beat per second - and this increases the alpha right-brain waves which naturally boost your serotonin levels. It's been found that the right brain dominance with serotonin produces a natural visionary state enabling people to memorize information much faster for increased learning. Then a deeper music trance is 7 beats per second found as the shamanic trance drumming - which is also like the shaking of the legs at 7 beats per second as Dr. Bradford Keeney documents as the foundation for the Bushmen trance inducing energy - so that also activates the vagus nerve to ionize the serotonin and dopamine energies. For example I know ladies who while standing can vibrate their legs to suck in my qi energy - to basically masturbate just by vibrating their legs with the qi energy activating the vagus nerve connection to their cervix for internal orgasms. The thing with the female orgasm is that it converts dopamine to serotonin while the male ejaculation converts dopamine to stress cortisol as a switch to the sympathetic nervous system. That's why males are yin internally from ejaculation while females are yang internally - switching from dopamine to serotonin and with more serotonin then to oxytocin which opens up the heart - via the left side reptilian vagus nerve that controls the heart. So at first it is the right side vagus nerve from the lower body up into the right brain to build up the pineal gland qi energy and when that builds up then it's the left side vagus nerve to the heart to increase the spirit vision energy.

[phore]

Hey Drew,

Thanks for this information.  I noticed that your last link was broken.  Would you care to elaborate on the seratonin-DMT-Kundalini connection?

 

Thank you.

Love and light

Tony

[voidisyinyang]

Hey Drew,

Thanks for this information.  I noticed that your last link was broken.  Would you care to elaborate on the seratonin-DMT-Kundalini connection?

 

Thank you.

Love and light

Tony

 

http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/the-ayahuasca-effect/

[phore]

Excellent article.  I noted an important part about the ayahuasca acting as a serotonin agonist, by binding with serotonin receptors, causing the body to create more serotonin receptors.

 

It makes me wonder whether increasing serotonin through foods that contain high tryptophan levels, would cause a similar effect of increasing serotonin receptors.

 

What method do you use to ionize the blood brain barrier?

 

Love and Light

Tony

[voidisyinyang]

Excellent article.  I noted an important part about the ayahuasca acting as a serotonin agonist, by binding with serotonin receptors, causing the body to create more serotonin receptors.

 

It makes me wonder whether increasing serotonin through foods that contain high tryptophan levels, would cause a similar effect of increasing serotonin receptors.

 

What method do you use to ionize the blood brain barrier?

 

Love and Light

Tony

 

The neurogenesis of serotonin receptors has been analyzed by Dennis McKenna who lives in my town actually. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_journal3.shtml So it is a very specific effect of ayahuasca with the active ingredient apparently being THH.

 

Dr. Callaway has access to Single Photon Emission Computerized Tomography (SPECT) scanning facilities in the Department of Pharmacology at the University of Kuopio. Suspecting that the causative agent of the unexpected upregulation might be tetrahydroharmine (THH), Dr. Callaway took SPECT scans of his own brain 5-HT uptake receptors prior to beginning a six week course of daily dosing with tetrahydroharmine, repeating the scan after the treatment period. He did indeed find that the density of central 5-HT receptors in the prefrontal cortex had increased; when he discontinued THH, their density gradually returned to previous levels over the course of several weeks. While this experiment only had one subject, if it is indicative of a general effect of THH that can be replicated and confirmed, the implications are potentially significant. A severe deficit of 5-HT uptake sites in the frontal cortex has been found to be correlated with aggressive disorders in violent alcoholics; if THH is able to specifically reverse this deficit, it may have applications in the treatment of this syndrome. These findings are especially interesting when viewed in the context of the psychological data collected in the hoasca study (Grob, et al., 1996).

 

To ionize the blood-brain barrier - the piezoelectric pressure on the bones is best effected by horse stance and "moving of yin and yang" or other tai-chi type exercises with knees bent and slow movements utilizing the yin/yang resonance of the channels of hands and feet.  So also full lotus yoga position has similar effects.