Golden Immortal

[JinlianPai]

This is a partial quote from the golden elixir thread from innersoundqigong

 

http://thedaobums.com/topic/37894-golden-elixer/

 

the original qigong master tells a story of how he had a student in his class who has the most amazing aura he had seen of any of his students - she had a golden aura like the golden auras of the immortals he knows in the mountains of China developing their yang shen golden immortal bodies.

 

So he personally asked the student if he could teach her qigong but the thing is she wasn't consciously aware she had this amazing aura and she couldn't get her life in order to train seriously in qigong.

 

So the thing about golden light - a person can have it as their spirit energy but still be unaware of it.

 

I think to consciously be aware of it then you have to build up your yang qi energy first from after the lower tan tien of yin qi foundation is established.

 

The original qigong master talks about the various colors - it is as with quantum frequency - the higher the frequency, small wavelength means the stronger the energy since quantum energy is based on frequency not amplitude.

 

So violet is the strongest energy based on color but my understanding is the golden light as the strongest is really this combination of the yang qi energy or yuan qi along with the yin shen light energy.

[JinlianPai]

 

Here is a quote from Understanding Reality By Chang Po Tuan with Commentary by Liu I Ming, translated by Thomas cleary.

This is the First sentence in the Third verse by Po Tuan:

 

 

This is a quote from Liu I Mings commentary.

 

If students want to shed birth and death, they should learn celestial immortality; if they want to learn celestial immortality, they cannot do so but by the great science of gold elixir.  Gold is something incorruptible; elixir is a symbol for blending, without hindrance.  Incorruptible, freely blending, the undifferentiated one energy is like the measureless empty sphere of heaven, enclosing everything, invulnerable to anything.  Therefore after the way is accomplished, on is called a celestial immortal; because of being forever incorruptible this is also called a gold immortal; because of appearing and disappearing unfathomably this is also called a spirit immortal.  In reality, gold immortals and spirit immortals are all celestial immortals.   If you want to learn celestial immortality, there is no method of doing so save the science of gold elixir.

This seems relevant to this discussion.

 

Love and Light

Tony

 

 

The interesting thing is that gold is the universal symbol of the earth element  in the universe.

[Ormus]

Dear Cozma and Jinlian Pai,

 

you are right about purple-viloet light and Elixir,this exsist as finnal stage and it is secret.It is known also in Wai Dan as finnal Stone after one made Red Stone(Golden Elixir).In Europe laboratory Alchemy tradition is known that Count Saint Germaine produced such purple stone and he also radiated purple light.

 

My opinion is that Golden Immortals and Tian Xians are the same and level above Shen Xian who is under them.

 

Can you post as pdf or other format this text you mentioned:

 

1.Ling Bao Bi Fa

2.Chao Yuan Lian Qi technique of the Heavenly Immortal cultivation method?

 

Where I can read more about Geng Men Pai?

 

All the best,

 

Ormus

[Ormus]

I forgott to mention that members of Xiao Yao Pai(Tai Shang Men) claim that their members have golden aura after initiation and initial work.

 

Also I have chance to see photos one Chinese Master of Nei Dan  from Australia who have purple lights around and above him.

 

All the best.

 

Ormus

[JinlianPai]

 

Dear Cozma and Jinlian Pai,

 

you are right about purple-viloet light and Elixir,this exsist as finnal stage and it is secret.It is known also in Wai Dan as finnal Stone after one made Red Stone(Golden Elixir).In Europe laboratory Alchemy tradition is known that Count Saint Germaine produced such purple stone and he also radiated purple light.

 

My opinion is that Golden Immortals and Tian Xians are the same and level above Shen Xian who is under them.

 

Can you post as pdf or other format this text you mentioned:

 

1.Ling Bao Bi Fa

2.Chao Yuan Lian Qi technique of the Heavenly Immortal cultivation method?

 

Where I can read more about Geng Men Pai?

 

All the best,

 

Ormus

 

I forgott to mention that members of Xiao Yao Pai(Tai Shang Men) claim that their members have golden aura after initiation and initial work.

 

Also I have chance to see photos one Chinese Master of Nei Dan  from Australia who have purple lights around and above him.

 

All the best.

 

Ormus

 

 

Immortals? Also something misunderstood.

 

Gold is all about center so for the golden lotus alchemy to be complete one has to be connected to the earth aka the center and to be connected to the earth element in the universe(universal center). 

 

Connection with the earth will strengthen you heal you and give you an empowerment. This connection also makes your aura and energy golden as the earth itself is golden.

 

This is the Golden Immortal of the center.

Edited April 23, 2015 by JinlianPai

[JinlianPai]

Well this has the earth element listed as the golden elixir so thanks for that. its going in the right direction

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=jUSwAQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA188&ots=xjfbBbAzQq&dq=Dong%20Zhongshu%20complete%20reality%20alchemy&pg=PA190#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

My sifu has been preaching that to me for years

 

So now maybe people will now believe me and what I have said.

 

[JinlianPai]

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1317567/traditional-Chinese-medicine-TCM/282575/Huangdi-and-the-Neijing

The third of the three ancient Chinese emperors began his rule in 2697 bce. Called the Yellow Emperor, because his patron element was earth

 

http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Myth/personshuangdi.html

Yellow Emperor became an immortal after having produced immortality pills in a cauldron (ding 鼎). He casted the tripod at the foot of Mt. Jingshan 荆山 in a place later called Dinghu 鼎湖. When finished, a bearded yellow dragon (huanglong chui huran 黄龍垂鬍髯) appeared and invited him to ride on their back and ascend to Heaven.

 

 

Yellow Emperor was originally a deity controlling lightning and thunder and was represented in the shape of the constellation of the Big Dipper. As a such, he also represented the centre of Heaven and the world and controlled all other directions and the deities attributed to them. The latter were seen as an element of disturbance that the Yellow Emperor had to calm down.

 

http://lostsecretofimmortality.tumblr.com/

Taoists frequently refer to the sacred embryo as the golden flower, which opens when the adept has attained enlightenment.

 

 

This concept of a self-generated, golden, unified being dissolving into emptiness at the time of enlightenment underlies Flower Garland or Hua Yen Buddhism and esoteric or tantric Buddhism. In Tibet this is called “seeing the primordial face of golden non-duality.” What this means is that the initial point of conception within everyone’s body is actually the tathagatagarbha or Embryo of Buddhahood. One patriarch of the Hua Yen school described a final meditation experience in which he embraced and swallowed a golden man and achieved liberation.

 

 

In China the secret of enlightenment was called “the secret of immortality.”  There are actually five different types of immortals – ghost immortals, human immortals, earthly immortals, celestial immortals and golden immortals, which represent different levels of self-cultivation. The golden immortals would be similar to Buddhas. What meditation practitioners were seeking was inner illumination. When Taoists speak of immortals they are not actually describing someone who lives in a physical body forever. An achieved one may be able to keep their body for 100 or even 200 years but the most important point is that they have achieved true inner illumination through the inner alchemical firing process. 

 

 

As it says in the I Ching (Yi Jing), “Understand the heart of the mind, see the original spirit and arrive at destiny.” The original spirit is the Golden Embryo of Taoism or the Original Face of Buddhism.

[JinlianPai]

 

 

 

The Yellow aka Golden Emperor had the Golden Dragon practice.

 

It is lineage and what happened to his lineage is the tale of the golden immortals.

 

https://hariqhuang.wordpress.com/tag/yellow-emperor/

 

Yellow is the imperial color in Chinese Culture. The official royal robes of most Emperors of Old China were yellow. The legendary demigod ruler, who is widely known to be the first Emperor of China, is known as The Yellow Emperor (黃帝: Huáng Dì)

Yellow has always been associated with wealth, luck, glory, happiness and prosperity. It symbolizes the color of gold and the end of summer (a time when the fruit and grain are ripe and ready for harvesting). Yellow, after red, is the color suggested to be worn in happy events such as Chinese New Year, birthday and company establishment.

Yellow is also the color of wisdom in Chinese Culture. It is one the colors often worn by Confucian and Taoist Priests. Just like red, It is often used to colorized religious elements such as temples, altars, statues, protection amulets, etc.

In the practice of Feng Shui, yellow is the color of the earth. It represents the middle section or the core of everything. People who are lack in earth element are asked to wear yellow or brown clothes and surround themselves with rectangular things.

Yellow is one of the colors of the Buddhist Flag. It represents The Middle Way, avoiding the extreme and emptiness. The colors in the Buddhist Flag are the colors of aura emitting from Gautama Buddha’s body when He reached the Final Enlightenment. They are Blue (nila), Yellow (Pita), Crimson (Lohita), White(Odata) and Orange/ Scarlet (Manjesta).

Buddhist monks are often seen wearing yellow robes, for yellow is the color of wisdom and enlightenment. When a monk is converting a person into Theravada Buddhism, he usually pressed some yellow rice grains onto the person’s forehead. It symbolizes the opening of one’s mind to achieve enlightenment.

Yellow also symbolizes humility. When one is ready to leave all the materialistic wealth of the world, one wears a yellow robe and join the brotherhood of the monks (Sangha). Furthermore, yellow is also the color of restrain and nourishment. It invokes the patience to control the emotions and the will to nourish the mind.

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=IspS46HFPv0C&pg=PT151&lpg=PT151&dq=yellow+emperor+gold+light&source=bl&ots=g_47EYrGCA&sig=RQk_IhsQWasWpk8WjLgiQyT_A2Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uGNnVYGUMoLasASzyIDYBw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=yellow%20emperor%20gold%20light&f=false

[JinlianPai]

http://lotusneigong.net/2014/03/22/high-level-alchemy-part-2/

 

 

The Shen has become suffused through the body by this stage through long periods of alchemical training resulting in the body beginning to fade from view to be replaced by a bright golden light which shines outwards for all to view. According to recorded eye-witness accounts this light is blinding to look upon and within Daoism is known as attaining the Diamond Body.

[JinlianPai]

 

This is a bit more accurate.

Edited May 31, 2015 by JinlianPai

[JinlianPai]

http://www.masterwu.net/MasterWuHiddenImmortalLineage.html

 

it is said that XiWangMu 西王母 (Queen Mother of the West) of KunLun 崐崘 Mountain was the first person to start teaching Qi cultivation techniques to help others become immortals. In the Daoist tradition, she is addressed as JinGuang XuanMu 金光玄母 (Golden Light Mystical Mother). Historically, the next important teacher of shamanism and Daoism is XuanYuan 軒轅, otherwise known as the Yellow Emperor. He passed down secret cultivation techniques of immortality after he became immortal. More than 2,000 years after the Yellow Emperor, another very important teacher appeared in the Zhou dynasty (1027–256 BCE). This was Laozi 老子, whom we also call TaiShang LaoJun 太上老君 (the Most High Lord Lao). Although many people benefited from Laozi’s teachings, two stand out: ShaoYang ZuShi 少陽祖師 (whose original name was Wang XuanFu 王玄甫) and WenShi ZhenRen 文始真人 (whose original name was Yin Xi 尹喜). These masters started two immortal cultivation teaching lineages: ShaoYang Lineage and WenShi Lineage:

[Ormus]

Dear Jinlian Pai,<br /><br />I know the info that you present.My questions in privious mail maybe you didnt read.<br /><br />Huang Di obtained Elixir and Immortality by way of Wai Dan as we can see in Master Ge Hong writings.Much later arise tradition that his methods are related to Nei Dan.<br /><br />I am interested to lear more about your school and lineage,as also methods for attain Golden Immortality body.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Ormus

[JinlianPai]

I noticed you made this post on Master Ge Hong

Dear all,

this is great tread and I am sorry that it is stop.

Opening text of the tread in excellent and belong to Zhong Pai(central school) but it is used among some Quanzhen also and we see in Wu Liu Pai.

My opinion is that there is only one way of Nei Dan as this is the case of Wai Dan.Both methods are secret and have writen and oral instructions and you need transsmision from Master in lineage.

On the other hand I think we cant speak of only one method in Alchemy because there is also Wai Dan which is used as Way Of Immortality as Master Ge Hong clrealy show.

Masters Zhongli Quan and Lu Dongbin are part of "secong and new" generation of Immortals who advocated Nei Dan.All this started with revelations from Shang Qing Pai when Wai Dan go to be more secret,elitistic and rare and literaty formed in the south Nei Dan as more easy,safe and cheaper way for Immortality.Still even in the time of actual formation of Nei Dan as we know it today(time of Master Zhang Boduan) there where Wai Dan initiations and from X to XIV century we can see how Nei Dan changed and evolved and it was not fixed as some like to belive.

In XVIII and XIX we find new versions of Inner Alchemy which is not the same as Nei Dan we speak here in this tread and itarised from Chinese Spirit cults and Salvation societys.They all belong to the cult of Lu Dongbin and claim communicattion with him and to recive new books with new instructions regarding Inner Alchemy which according to them are superior to Nei Dan.This is verry interesting story not at all covered in the west but is known in China and Taiwan.This groups dont even claim to be Daoist schools per se,but to have inspiration in Daoism.They also dont claim lineage and ancient history ,just alive and vivid conntact with Immortals who visit them to tech and instruct them.

So how we are to know if Immortals decide to transmite at this time some super method and teaching for new humanity and evolution of Spirit?

This is know fact in Daoism because Taiqing Pai claim to be superior Wai Dan,then come Shang Qing Pai who claim that now they transsmite even superior method,then after them come Nanzong Pai with only and highest method....and now this new groups.

Be carefull there are frauds and fake masters and schools,but we need to check all claims and see clues because Universe and Human evelove and even Immortals evolve.

All the best,

Ormus

 

and this was the response you got.

 

Dear Ormus,

 

perhaps you have not noticed that the text you like so much is directly contradicting what you and (Ge Hong) are saying about waidan. The text says all and any waidan is false. 

 

Your message to me today.

 

Dear Jinlian Pai,<br /><br />I know the info that you present.My questions in privious mail maybe you didnt read.<br /><br />Huang Di obtained Elixir and Immortality by way of Wai Dan as we can see in Master Ge Hong writings.Much later arise tradition that his methods are related to Nei Dan.<br /><br />I am interested to lear more about your school and lineage,as also methods for attain Golden Immortality body.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Ormus

 

My response.

 

Huang Di did do waidan yes.

 

He later moved to neidan after he learned what gold was.

 

Gold is the universal representation of the earth element in the universe.

 

This golden force exists on the planet and in the universe.

 

As taoist sage you can tap directly into this force and cultivate it directly.

 

You dont have to make it inside the body you an cultivate it directly.

 

I know this for I have a practice that does this.

[Ormus]

Dear Jinlian Pai,

 

thank you for reply.

 

So you say that we dont need to work classic Nei Dan and produce Jindan in ourselfs?

 

How to cultivate it directly and can you give structure of your practice?

 

Also where I can read about your school?

 

All the best,

 

Ormus

 

p.s.It is interestint that Quanzhen Daoism and expecialy Longmen Pai have works related to Nei Dan which in their title have Golden Lotus.

[idiot_stimpy]

 

This is a bit more accurate.

 

WOW

[JinlianPai]

Dear Jinlian Pai,

 

thank you for reply.

 

So you say that we dont need to work classic Nei Dan and produce Jindan in ourselfs?

 

How to cultivate it directly and can you give structure of your practice?

 

Also where I can read about your school?

 

All the best,

 

Ormus

 

p.s.It is interestint that Quanzhen Daoism and expecialy Longmen Pai have works related to Nei Dan which in their title have Golden Lotus.

 

Well jindan is something that is misunderstood.

 

One has to understand what it is.

 

It is the the core vibration of the center it is the golden earth chi that supplies all.

 

 

All neigong neidan whatever breaks down to something on the bagua chart it has to for the energy your cultivating exists in the dao.

 

The problem is teachers are not teaching it right.

 

If you knew that the energy of your system deals with thunder then you can fengshui it in your life meaning this. You get up at 8am and face east you put plants and wood in the east side of your training room to increase the thunder wood energy and so forth.

 

So its misunderstanding in general.

 

If your neidan or neikung isnt leading you into fengshui and the iching then your not fully learning it these things matter.

 

How can you follow the dao if you dont know feng shui and the iching? How an you do your alchemy if you dont know what your actually cultivating?

Edited June 2, 2015 by JinlianPai

[JinlianPai]

http://www.meetup.com/Austin-Pranic-Healing/events/142127872/

 

transform the body into the Golden Light but to become the Golden 
Light

 

 The coveted Golden body is a technique in generating Chi or Prana 
energy.

 Golden body or Golden light body techniques are wanted by 
Yogis, Arhats, Martial artist, Taoist. These techniques are practiced by very 
advanced and evolved spiritual practioners.

The Golden Light Body is one's immortal vehicle for spiritual freedom and independence. 
It transcends the limits of the physical world of time and 
space-while still living in the here and now. The goal can be attained and 
experienced in this lifetime.

[JinlianPai]

http://www.pranichealing.net/arhat-yoga/

 

It is the foundation for building the much coveted "Golden Body"!

[JinlianPai]

Looks like there is something else I cam across this.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/fiveanimalkungfu/InternalMartialArts.htm

Golden wave palm Taoist tai chi - old Taoist style of tai chi with origins in the Omei and Hua Mountains

 

I have emailed and called this practitioner but no responses yet.

 

So as of yet im not sure if its like my golden lotus practice.

[JinlianPai]

I dont know if the Golden Wave Palm is the same as the golden lotus.

 

I know with the Golden Lotus one will have a very powerful golden aura the earth will charge and heal you.  If a practitioner of the Golden Lotus is injured the injury will be removed as long as they are connected to the earth.

[Ormus]

I re-read this tread again.Jin Lian Pai posted some interesting links like also Seeker of Healing in some other tread regarding Buddhism.

I dont know much about Buddhim except few conntacts with Bon Po Lamas and Dzogchen Lamas.I belived that Buddhism recive Daoist teachings when it started,obviously later Buddhim give something in return to Daoism.

 

After reading here links related to some Lamas and Buddhist school unknow to me I got impression that there are some minor Buddhist school which maybe have methods like Nei Dan and can produce Immortals.

 

Still I dont think that Yang Shen is the same as Diamond body of Dzogchen.

 

Golden Immortals are the same as Tian Xian.Key is to see who have Purple Elixir.Remember we are told that Lao Tze have purple radiant ball above him and that he radiated such light.

 

Ormus