Your worthless college degree....let's share your story.

[Rara]

Without my university experience, I never would have found my girlfriend of the last 7 years, my martial arts (possibly Taoism) and therefore, maybe never broken free of my war with myself (anger problems)

 

Ok. So my degree was in Music Technology and Popular Music. Short of becoming a multi-platinum selling pop star, I don't think music will pay back the £30K I owe haha.

 

I play in a band, and work freelance in events. I'm on the verge of quitting and taking a small minimum wage job (maybe in a garden centre) to gain some perspective.

 

When I was 18, how on earth could I know what I "wanted to be"? At 27, I now know what I am, and that does not include chasing a career that I see is of little importance (to me)

 

I don't know if your degree is worthless. Perhaps more a stepping stone or tool to finding your way.

[MooNiNite]

Just what i was thinking about, my useless degree.

 

I went to a university and got my business degree in Finance. I graduated with a 3.8, took honors classes, and what have you. The education itself cost about 200000...

 

Bringing it back, sophomore year i dropped out and went to india. I said fk this fake shit. im going to meditate in india. well that was fun... but then i got really sick. hepatitis with no coherent letter. So i went back to school. Nothing really got better in my life. 

 

I was devoted to spiritual practices like meditation the whole time i was in university. Thought the classes were a waste of time. But i got A's because I was paying for the education. That was dumb.

 

Finally I get out. and what. I have a piece of paper. No real skills. No enlightenment quality. 

So now i work at a vitamin shop and continue meditating, making music, and writing books. 

 

But iv been offered a stock trading job, so maybe the universe wants me there. gonna try it out.

 

The problem with college and working for businesses for the high salary is that the person is always doing other peoples tasks. 

 

I was on a plane to arizona, Im sitting in my chair and enjoying myself writing my book about meditation. I stop and start looking around me, there are at all these people also sitting and working on there computers. But then i wonder how many of them are working for themselves? How many of these people are on their computers doing other people's busy work? Well i bet just about all of them. 

 

Waking up is when you take time into your own hands. These schools are selling people busy work. and these businesses are continuing the habit. Its like a place for drones to become drones. 

 

On that plane ride I got an incredible amount of work done on my book. The problem with working for money is that the next day none of it matters. People who work for themselves take their creations with them. The final product is worth more than anyone can pay someone or else they would do it themselves. Its a big scam. 

 

People are working for hours. Think of someone who is creating for hours. They take those hours of work with them into their future, they are creating something that works for them in the future. it is exponential growth. But all these drones are being bought into doing it for a salary. Its a big scam, and all those people on that plane were asleep. 

[MooNiNite]

Also,

 

The biggest problem today is that work isnt associated with spiritual growth. it is attached to money.

 

This creates a disconnect in understanding.

 

Our work is ment to take us towards enlightenment.

 

Soul Purpose.

 

Our daily spiritual practice needs to go hand in hand with our work. 

 

This is also how people become millionaires. Their creations become more and more productive with the increase in their conscious growth, or their ability to see.

 

Money just takes an idea. Spiritual growth can take lifetimes. Clocks are man made...

[Rara]

Great posts MooNiNite.

 

The only real currency we have in life is time. Why waste it doing something because "a job's a job?"

 

Work = slavery unless you can find your passion in it.

 

Lao Tzu walked out on his post and faded into the mist. The sooner I can do this (tactfully) the better!

[Brian]

Don't consider mine worthless at all. Bachelor's in applied physics with a concentration in electronic engineering (after switching away from astrophysics due to limited job opportunities), minors in mathematics, computer science, history and English. Graduate studies in physics interrupted mid-stream following decision that we would have a kid. Returned about half a dozen years later and got an MBA (paid for by my employer at the time).

 

Breadth of "liberal arts" in my curriculum helped make me a more well-rounded individual, focus on hard sciences honed analytical & problem-solving skills, MBA provided depth of understanding of "real world" stuff directly applicable to the evolution of my career path (economics, operational theories, process improvement methodologies, tort law, etc.)

 

I feel college gave me the toolset needed to embark on the series of jobs with which I have been able to support my family with stability & comfort and has enriched the quality of my life in the process.

[MooNiNite]

Great posts MooNiNite.

 

The only real currency we have in life is time. Why waste it doing something because "a job's a job?"

 

Work = slavery unless you can find your passion in it.

 

Lao Tzu walked out on his post and faded into the mist. The sooner I can do this (tactfully) the better!

 

Yeah. A teacher told me to do it in dual. So not entirely walk out on the world, but find true work and do it in dual with another job until becoming productive at it. All we need to do is become productive at our true work.

That turns our work into our medicine. Its like meditation for survival. A beautiful thing. 

 

One knows they have found their true work because it creates silence. They will be realizing themselves while they do it.

 

"True religion is a constant state of realization." , its true work.

 

Hopefully in the future they teach kids to find their true work. People are not only more productive, but more giving, and more conscious. its a win win...win...

[Rara]

Yeah. A teacher told me to do it in dual. So not entirely walk out on the world, but find true work and do it in dual with another job until becoming productive at it. All we need to do is become productive at our true work.

That turns our work into our medicine. Its like meditation for survival. A beautiful thing.

 

One knows they have found their true work because it creates silence. They will be realizing themselves while they do it.

 

"True religion is a constant state of realization." , its true work.

 

Hopefully in the future they teach kids to find their true work. People are not only more productive, but more giving, and more conscious. its a win win...win...

Your words have struck a chord with me. Thank you

[zerostao]

yesterday the university i reside at began having graduating ceremonies.

this year they held the event outdoors instead of inside.

on the football field and with the first group with all guests and graduates facing the podium and stage

where they would walk across and receive their diploma,

guess what chose to make an appearance?

behind the podium stage in view of all the graduates and attendees,

a double rainbow

[zerostao]

http://mic.com/articles/118576/bernie-sanders-tuition-free-college-bill-should-win-him-every-millennial-vote-in-america

[KenBrace]

No degree is completely worthless. You learned a lot and that's going to help you throughout your life. Does that mean that it's useful in your financial life? Not necessarily. And that's the main point of getting a degree. That much be pretty rough.

 

I'm currently studying for 4 year degree in computer science. Hopefully that will help me a lot (most employers want a degree in CS).

[zerostao]

https://www.mooc-list.com/

 

get your monies worth 

[gendao]

if your only measurement of success is the size of your paycheck

or that is how you measure your own self worth

a 2D graph should be studied intensely for certain.

 

if however you are less than certain

if you are the type that easily confuses worthless with priceless,,,,

then you are welcome to come hang out a little this summer,

between semesters, we can talk about scholarly stuff or not

crickets will join in chorus, frogs croak, trees creek

occasionally a fish will jump completely out of the water

song birds will overwhelm us with melodies

above, clouds will pass by

we can sample natural wild waters containing sparkling life force

crows will closely monitor everything and report to a raven

Sounds like great fun...but absolutely NO NEED to pay a college for that type of "Dead Poets/Goodwill Hunting" experience!  You could totally do that completely freely on your own anytime, anywhere, at your own discretion!

http://mic.com/articles/118576/bernie-sanders-tuition-free-college-bill-should-win-him-every-millennial-vote-in-america

This country MIGHT be able to afford that...IF we had wise money management and weren't already tens of trillions in debt and vastly outspending the rest of the world on military offense, etc.  But given our current predicament, without first paying off our bottomless debts, replacing our FRB fiat cabal currency and making MASSIVE budget cuts...this is just another absolutely LUDICROUS & irresponsible Baby Boomer vote-whoring proposition worse than an MLM pyramid scheme!

Seriously, at least a pyramid scheme is based off an obvious mechanism that will logically profit the people at the top...  But how do you simply propose a trillion dollar program with no means to fund it???

Edited May 22, 2015 by gendao

[zerostao]

yep, i am all about great fun. and i do actually "do that completely freely on your own anytime, anywhere, at your own discretion!"  well, i like doing it on campus too. it's isn't about need at all. it's about something else, i guess.

 

"But how do you simply propose a trillion dollar program with no means to fund it???" i didn't propose it.

i posted a link to Free education, (post #39)

if i had proposed it, i reckon i woulda gone for 2-3 trillion, not just one. a trillion ain't what it used to be , ya know.

and you already suggested yourself in the above post how a measly trillion could be scrounged up. 

and there are other ways of course.

i would rather be surrounded by educated folks as uneducated folks, if that is ludicrous and irresponsible, oh well,

from my pov there has been quite a bit of ludicrous and irresponsible from the folks that would do away with the dept of education altogether. it is those same gentlemen who plunged us deep into debt. i am for trying something different.

your position is that a less educated population is better equipped to handle "our current predicament," ?

[woodcarver]

I agree with most of the replies. I learned a great deal of non school related things while getting my diploma.

 

I wouldn't be a daoist if it weren't for my "bad" experiences and being backed into a corner. I'm grateful for them and continue to be as they happen. "The obstacle is the way".

Edited May 22, 2015 by woodcarver