Kunlun and Demons

[Owledge]

I just follow the yellow brick road.

Did you know that The Wizard of Oz is full of metaphors? The yellow brick road is the gold standard.

Edited January 2, 2010 by Hardyg

[fiveelementtao]

5ET,

I've no time to argue, sorry, but you ascribe an "agenda" to me quite with no merit. I am a traditionalist. I only practice what my teachers taught me to practice. The thing is, all of my practices always interconnect and none of them are randomly picked up -- e.g., maoshan sorcery (not 'folk shamanism') led me to kunlun, kunlun to vegetalista shamans, shamans to longmen pai. I just follow the yellow brick road.

 

TM... Slow down.... Holster that gun Annie Oakley. Read my post again. I was saying that what witch was talking about was different than what you were saying... I was not referring to you... I enjoyed very much your post my apologies for mislabeling it as Chinese folk shamanism. In no way was I attempting to insinuate that you had agenda. the agenda I was referring to was only in reference to witch's post... ... My apologies if I was not clear enough about that...

 

Your contributions to discussions are usually of very high quality, but this time you merely stated the obvious. Of course you literally remove lesser spirits from the house when you burn your tequila stock.

 

@5et

You're always talking about "dieties". Say... are you hungry? Is that a freudian slip there? Surely you mean deities.

thanks, I'll try and fix that...deities not diet ies... Got it... (let's hope)

Edited January 2, 2010 by fiveelementtao

[C T]

Thanks, CowTao/

I do have a taoist altar, but the god of fire wants to live in the stove. On the altar I have gods who wanted to be there. (Including two buddhist deities, one of which is represented by a statue sitting in full lotus holding hands in the Red Phoenix mudra exactly as taught by Max. This buddha, of superb quality, showed up at the thrift shop next door when I started practicing kunlun and RP. I had never seen one like him before, but after I bought the statue, I researched and found out that he's the Sevenfold Buddha actually, comprized of himself and seven others, a very important guy. Kunlun introduced us... )

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Hey Taomeow yvw!

 

I forgot to mention Dei Chu Koong does not sit with the other Deities no siree.. It requires its own exclusive

crib - always on the floor, somewhere inconspicuous but preferably facing the front main entrance to the

home, if my memory is still intact that is! There is a specific arrangement for setting up the altar so if

you are interested i am sure you would have your 'ways' to access the necessary info! Btw, i am very

keen to see this image of the Buddha that you so cherish - any chance of loading up an image sometime,

(only) when you are inspired to do so eh? Cheers!! Mind them tequilas...

 

@Hardyg - one translation for 'zing'(cantonese) is 'star'. Another one is 'rise up'. Any help? 'Swoosh'

i believe is the universal cartoony sound all loos make when they flush!! Ooops! Sorry i am

not familiar with that word nor do i believe there is such a word in cantonese! Good luck!

Edited January 2, 2010 by CowTao

[soaring crane]

Are you up to fighting THIS demon with me?

 

Why is it that institutionalized demons get such unanimous support, while stray ones, such tough opposition? I've seen billions of children exposed to the most horrible demons by their parents on a daily basis. ...

 

Why not fight some of them? Oh... because they are too strong, that's why. ...

 

Let's fight the demons of kunlun, the ones that are not protected by our laws! They're fair game, since bigger and scarier ones -- well, WE are fair game for the bigger and scarier ones, but we're OK with that as long as we can take our revenge on something... anything... ...

 

wow... I mean, just, wow.

 

This is one of the most profound texts I've ever seen on the internet, or anywhere else. Amazing.

 

Thank you, TM.

[Owledge]

Thank you, TM.

Taocendental meowditation?

[soaring crane]

Taocendental meowditation?

 

I wonder sometimes, I really do...

 

1:30am and I'm wide awake... this not normal... something not good here

[Owledge]

No problem for night owls.

[soaring crane]

Edited January 3, 2010 by soaring crane

[Owledge]

The only thing I can think of right now when reading "South Africa" is that you could visit the Ritschls from Orgonize Africa.

[soaring crane]

[Taomeow]

TM... Slow down.... Holster that gun Annie Oakley. Read my post again. I was saying that what witch was talking about was different than what you were saying... I was not referring to you... I enjoyed very much your post my apologies for mislabeling it as Chinese folk shamanism. In no way was I attempting to insinuate that you had agenda. the agenda I was referring to was only in reference to witch's post... ... My apologies if I was not clear enough about that...

 

Oh, oops, my fault. I was in a hurry and my reading comprehension misfired. Sorry.

 

 

Did you know that The Wizard of Oz is full of metaphors? The yellow brick road is the gold standard.

No, I didn't know that! I never saw the movie, and only read the Russian knock-off version of the book as a kid. Gold standard, huh? Interesting... now I recall I've heard something peculiar about the Oz movie lining up with a Pink Floyd song to produce some uncanny synchronicity... but I don't remember what that was about... gotta investigate.

 

wow... I mean, just, wow.

 

This is one of the most profound texts I've ever seen on the internet, or anywhere else. Amazing.

 

Thank you, TM.

Thank you for being so generous -- and perceptive.

[Taomeow]

Hey Taomeow yvw!

 

I forgot to mention Dei Chu Koong does not sit with the other Deities no siree.. It requires its own exclusive

crib - always on the floor, somewhere inconspicuous but preferably facing the front main entrance to the

home, if my memory is still intact that is! There is a specific arrangement for setting up the altar so if

you are interested i am sure you would have your 'ways' to access the necessary info! Btw, i am very

keen to see this image of the Buddha that you so cherish - any chance of loading up an image sometime,

(only) when you are inspired to do so eh? Cheers!! Mind them tequilas...

I've seen the altars you describe in places of business in Chinatown. They are inconspicuously tucked under some counter or table or chair usually, indeed sit on the floor, face inward I think (but I'm not sure), and have a red lamp or a red candle burning. My method, however, goes back to an earlier time, when a hearth was simultaneously the altar to the god of fire. My stove is a gas stove with pilot lights that are always burning, so it's attractive to Dei Chu Koong... A feng shui master taught me about the alcohol offering. Another thing you do is avoid offending this god -- e.g., you don't blow on a candle to put it out, he finds it insulting! I must take special care not to offend this particular deity due to my personal wuxing peculiarities.

 

I had the Sevenfold Buddha's pic somewhere, if I can find it I'll post it.

 

Taocendental meowditation?

 

Yeah, and the opening line of the definitive text, Tao Te Meow, goes something like,

 

The tao that can't be spoken can be meowed.

The tao that can't be meowed is not the eternal tao.

Meow.

 

And so on...

[C T]

I've seen the altars you describe in places of business in Chinatown. They are inconspicuously tucked under some counter or table or chair usually, indeed sit on the floor, face inward I think (but I'm not sure), and have a red lamp or a red candle burning. My method, however, goes back to an earlier time, when a hearth was simultaneously the altar to the god of fire. My stove is a gas stove with pilot lights that are always burning, so it's attractive to Dei Chu Koong... A feng shui master taught me about the alcohol offering. Another thing you do is avoid offending this god -- e.g., you don't blow on a candle to put it out, he finds it insulting! I must take special care not to offend this particular deity due to my personal wuxing peculiarities.

 

I had the Sevenfold Buddha's pic somewhere, if I can find it I'll post it.

Yeah, and the opening line of the definitive text, Tao Te Meow, goes something like,

 

The tao that can't be spoken can be meowed.

The tao that can't be meowed is not the eternal tao.

Meow.

 

And so on...

Taomeow,

 

My humble apologies! The old brain just chugged into life and have crystallized my mind somewhat, so

before it runs out of steam, and it usually does after about 17 minutes, i just want to say that i remember

the stove god now, and its name is Chao Xian (not sure if this is the right way to spell its name though),

also known as the hearth or kitchen god! Very important figure too - how could i forget? Probably get

a good slap in my sleep tonight for not remembering ! Yes, this deity is regarded as the family

guardian and also acts sometimes as an intermediary with other gods and deities. Traditionally, each

family sends this deity up to heaven once a year, just before the lunar new year i believe, to report

on the activities of the family for the past year. This is done by burning the paper image of the hearth

god that had hung over the stove for that one year, and very often, just before the 'sending off',

sweets are offered to the deity as a form of bribe to 'sweeten up' the report, or some would smear

a bit of honey on the image as a symbolic gesture to try to prevent the deity from reporting too

much unnecessary information! haha

 

Dei Chu is the earth god, the one that keeps the house and property safe, and a very convenient deity

that parents sometimes resort to when the kids get overly mischievous. Whichever kid steps out of

line would have to kneel facing Dei Chu and admit to transgressions (sounds serious but its not that,

really) - and the more severe the mischief, the longer the kneeling session lasts. This i am speaking

from personal experience, and mind you, my sessions sometimes last for days!! (just kidding )

 

Sorry for getting the names and deities mixed up. Perhaps i should find some inconspicuous corner

and hide myself there for the rest of the night!

 

Cheerio!

[Taomeow]

Taomeow,

 

My humble apologies! The old brain just chugged into life and have crystallized my mind somewhat, so

before it runs out of steam, and it usually does after about 17 minutes, i just want to say that i remember

the stove god now, and its name is Chao Xian (not sure if this is the right way to spell its name though),

also known as the hearth or kitchen god! Very important figure too - how could i forget? Probably get

a good slap in my sleep tonight for not remembering ! Yes, this deity is regarded as the family

guardian and also acts sometimes as an intermediary with other gods and deities. Traditionally, each

family sends this deity up to heaven once a year, just before the lunar new year i believe, to report

on the activities of the family for the past year. This is done by burning the paper image of the hearth

god that had hung over the stove for that one year, and very often, just before the 'sending off',

sweets are offered to the deity as a form of bribe to 'sweeten up' the report, or some would smear

a bit of honey on the image as a symbolic gesture to try to prevent the deity from reporting too

much unnecessary information! haha

 

Dei Chu is the earth god, the one that keeps the house and property safe, and a very convenient deity

that parents sometimes resort to when the kids get overly mischievous. Whichever kid steps out of

line would have to kneel facing Dei Chu and admit to transgressions (sounds serious but its not that,

really) - and the more severe the mischief, the longer the kneeling session lasts. This i am speaking

from personal experience, and mind you, my sessions sometimes last for days!! (just kidding )

 

Sorry for getting the names and deities mixed up. Perhaps i should find some inconspicuous corner

and hide myself there for the rest of the night!

 

Cheerio!

Oh, please don't, just sprinkle some sake on the stove fire and you'll be redeemed! I don't know any Cantonese anyway. The only way I can tell it's Cantonese is, if people speak Chinese with some extra word tones and zero comprehension on my part, this must be it.

[soaring crane]

Thank you for being so generous -- and perceptive.

 

"perceptive" is good. I think I perceived what you were saying, because I've experienced it myself, often. I've been involved with spiritual cleansings in the past. Our approach always involved helping these "Wesen" go where they wanted or needed to go. I many cases, we had to first show them what that was, and they were the ones who were terrified and confused. They'd often been maniplated and lied to. It was mostly very sad, like accompanying a death. So, yeah, I appreciate your comments very much.

 

Btw, the "tools" that I used the most were a column of white Qi and a Tam-Tam Gong. They really get everyone's attention and create the perfect gate, or elevator.

[Owledge]

No, I didn't know that! I never saw the movie, and only read the Russian knock-off version of the book as a kid. Gold standard, huh? Interesting... now I recall I've heard something peculiar about the Oz movie lining up with a Pink Floyd song to produce some uncanny synchronicity... but I don't remember what that was about... gotta investigate.

Ever wondered why it is called The Wizard of Oz? It's the ounce.

There's a text somewhere on the WWW where all this is explained. The Wizard is the (puppet) president and the man behind the curtain is the banking system or maybe something more vague. Dorothy's shoes were originally silver, symbolizing the silver dollar or silver backing of it. Later they were made red for a nicer appearance of Technicolor.

It's all about things like the US monetary system and the economy. The maker of the story tried to write a concealed critique, because in open form it probably would not have been published. Or something like this. In some details it might be more a theory, but in some aspects it is very obvious.

Edited January 3, 2010 by Hardyg

[witch]

TM, I enjoy as always your posts but I think Witch is describing something different than folk shamanism here...

 

On the whole, witch I disagree with the basic premise of your thinking. IME, There is a difference between listening and interacting with one's guides or angels, protective spirits etc.. and communing with disembodied spirits... You are arguing from an assumption that people have a fundamental need to have "exchanges" with disembodied spirits that have an agenda. I think this reflects a personal bias on your part. We have discussed in previous threads how you have a personal desire to to commune with spirits rather than people. Your post seem s to me to reflect this personal bias. IME and IMO Communing with lower disembodied spirits is a drug. It does nothing but encourage unhealthy dependance and ultimately drains us of power...

 

This again reflects an assumption that everyone has to deal with intrusive entities, so it's just easier to learn to live with it. I think this is just your personal experience...My experience is very different. If someone has disembodied's following them around that is not normal. IMe, Once anyone realizes that seeking an exchange with a disembodied entity is co-dependent and an excuse to divert oneself from their feelings, and is willing to move past that stage in life, the enities not only leave, they flee in terror... There may be an initial struggle as the individual struggles with their own resistance and addiction to the entity, but once that shift has been made and the individual seeks to face their issues, usually with professional help, entities are never a problem again.

 

What kind of entities are we talking about? Spiritual guides, guardian angels, higher teachers etc... IME, these types of spirits have no agenda or need to "exchange" with us. They are only here to help us and have no need for us to even recognize or acknowledge their presence. That isn't to say that we can't communicate with them, but their involvement in our lives is only to help and they need and want nothing from us..... Energetically, IMO and IME, no human needs to exchange anything with outside entities. If we are connected to ourselves and to Spirit,we have all of Infinity within us and have access to all of the Universe. Dieties are a slightly different matter. Dieties seem to exist outside of us but are really just projection of the cosmos within. Like the Five elements: they can be worshipped or merged with like dieties but they are also parts of us. They are not outside of us and whatever sacrifices we give them are really things we need to balance and strenghthen ourselves internally. IME, Entities roaming around looking for a human to attach themselves to are always entities disconnected to the Source. Whatever "information" they pretend to offer is B.S. Their only intention is to steal your energy.

 

 

Lower plane spirits. Higher plane spirits. Higher teachers, guardian angels. Bah! Do you have to take the material world system of categories and judgments and overlay it on the spiritual world? I think there are only two kinds of entities--those within you and those coming from other people. And I think the ones coming from other people are attracted to imbalance. Therefore, if you take the time and care to choose exactly the right fit and interact with that spirit, you will see exactly what your imbalances are and how to fix them. It's not that the spirits themselves are magic or imparting higher knowledge. In fact, I would suspect any spirit beings offering some sort of higher knowledge--Lucifer disguises himself as an angel of light after all. The magic in entities is that they are easy, available, and infinitely varied. To compare it to the world of sex, let's say there was something lacking in sex but you didn't know what. You could take the time to date a string of women, but it would be time-consuming, hurt the women, and you might never hit on the woman who shares your kink. On the other hand, you can go online and in a week exhaust the range of kink out there in porn viewing. And then you can say, "Oh, I like spanking," for example, and then go out a find a woman who likes spanking too. Spirit entities are like dreams, they help you understand and prepare for the real world.

 

I'm not saying this is the right path for everyone. I've made no bones I'm a lefthand path witch. Of course a person can wall themselves off from entities and try to fix their imbalances in other ways. But as long as the imbalance is there, the spirits will be attracted, I'm just saying.

 

And for someone who's so anti-entity, why on earth did you get involved with Kunlun? Seems cuckoo to me.

[Owledge]

And for someone who's so anti-entity, why on earth did you get involved with Kunlun? Seems cuckoo to me.

Maybe because Kunlun is neither entity-rich nor entity-free. Who can say what is typical for Kunlun when it is so different for everybody and hard to say what comes from you and what from Kunlun? And even this distinction is uncertain.

 

Doesn't seem cuckoo to me, but ho-hooooh. Or Wowie Meowie. Witch won ... you decide.

Edited January 3, 2010 by Hardyg

[Yoda]

Scott,

 

I probably shouldn't use the word 'advanced'... maybe 'dramatic responder' would be more fitting to describe some kunlunies like rodgerj. Rodgerj would also be fun to have on threads like this as he and I have spent many hours discussing issues with Kunlun and have come to very different conclusions in the end, but we both know quite a bit about each other's backstory that isn't practical to get into on forums so we have a good handle on the other's perspective.

 

Your pal,

Yoda

[Lucky7Strikes]

From my experience, most of Kunlun is purifying. Past attachments and memories all come to surface through the practice. So the experience is different for many, also depending on how the person chooses to face these issues. I don't think there's a right way to go about it, it feels more like, "here it is, this is you, now what will you do with it?"

 

This goes much deeper than mental formations, whether you treat it as illusion, or create it as a reality is, again, your own path.

 

Kunlun just speeds up the process of learning. I've gone through dark periods with this practice, and I'm not sure whether the technique alone could've gotten me past them. But in the end, it's the same story, this or any other practice. The only one you sit across is yourself.

[Mokona]

Why would you consider that anything spiritual either has to be human, or is a creation of a human, thoughtform or otherwise? This is very important to any thread dealing with entities or demons. IMO, more practice with various stripe of entity needs to be done if you have only touched on the easy to identify stuff.

Then again - some consider the astral to be nonesense. As if it has no reason for 'being' selective choosing of planes is also debilitating because it leaves you with less knowlege than the more avid explorers.

 

All IMO, not meant to rile anyone up.

[fiveelementtao]

Hi Witch,

My beautiful, smart, powerful sister. Despite my disagreement with you, I actually like and respect you very much.

However, I think you are full of crap here and you're projecting your own agenda on this thread.

And for someone who's so anti-entity, why on earth did you get involved with Kunlun? Seems cuckoo to me.

Kunlun is not an entity practice. You do not practice Kunlun and don't know what you're talking about here. You have made an assumption that it is an entity practice because others have had experiences as a result of doing it improperly.

I am not anti entity. entity is a very broad term.

I think there are only two kinds of entities--those within you and those coming from other people.

You are, of course, free to think whatever you want. Your theory, however, is very different from most everyone else's experience and seems to contradict your own experiences that I've read. I think it's your own wishful projection based on your personal agenda...

I believe you also believe there is a difference between disembodied spirits and other types of beneficial spirits. This is integral to most practices of witchcraft. (unless you have created your own version of witchcraft with your own beliefs) I believe based on my experience in exorcism for over 30 years that disembodied entities have no business in our world. There are ghosts, (Human spirits who are trapped in their negative feelings and attachments.) They need to be sent back to the Source. By allowing them to stick around, they drain the living. There are Elementals. (Nature Spirits that aren't really involved in the Human realm) There are Demons. (powerful non-human spirits who are also cut off from the Source). They have a very specific agenda and can be very harmful, even deadly. You yourself have experienced these types. There are angels and guides. There are poltergeists which are projections of thought forms. There are also deities. I know you believe in them... so just to classify all spirits as either from your mind or from other people sounds like a very convenient denial mechanism to justify to yourself your personal agenda with spirits...

Your using the same justification for minimizing the effects of conjuring spirits as some others do for justifying their drug addiction...

Listen, if you want to be a witch ( I'm using your term) who conjures disembodied spirits for your own purposes, go for it. I just don't like that you want to minimize everyone else's experience to fit within your agenda. I think it is irresponsible to tell others that it's ok to do what you do and retrofitting reality in order to justify it.

 

You and I are in agreement on one aspect: Imbalances can attract disembodied entities...

 

But, Witch, honestly, you are being very selective about what facts you want to remember. You have shared numerous times on this board about your very negative experiences and those of your friends with disembodied entities, so to characterize them as neutral things is not accurate even within your own experience.

You were on here very recently begging for peoples help to banish some very nasty spirits from your friend. How neutral was that experience?

 

My feeling has always been since the first post of yours that I read that you are addicted to entities because you are avoiding real intimacy with people. When confronted with this back then you admitted to me that you didn't want to have a real relationship with a man because you didn't want to get hurt. It's plain as day. Whenever you talk about spirits, you use the example of dating or sex. It's clearly very sexual for you.

Edited January 3, 2010 by fiveelementtao

[witch]

All witches create their own brand of witchcraft, unless they are in some kind of rigid coven structure.

 

All spirits are either inside me, or coming from someone else. Period. That's my belief. I know it doesn't fit in with most people's idea of the astral plane or whatever.

 

I'm not saying spirits are neutral, I'm saying they are people. Do you put people in those rigid boxes? Maybe you do.

 

By the way, I am dating. And I wouldn't be dating at all if I hadn't gone through my entity experience.

 

Again, the use in an entity is you, yourself, selecting the correct entity for you. Random spiritual attacks or sticking with an entity that is wrong for you aren't going to help anybody. And as I said, this path isn't for everybody anyhow, just that the entities will keep on coming if one doesn't resolve one's imbalance.

 

Kunlun is not an entity practice. You do not practice Kunlun and don't know what you're talking about here. You have made an assumption that it is an entity practice because others have had experiences as a result of doing it improperly.

 

Honey, it takes one to know one. If Kunlun isn't an entity practice I will eat my hat!

[fiveelementtao]

All spirits are either inside me, or coming from someone else. Period. I'm not saying spirits are neutral, I'm saying they are people.

In your opinion based on your experience limited to your practice. Others of us have very different experiences. So either there are other possibilities, or the rest of us are just idiots and only you know all there is to know about the spirit world... You don't strike me as that arrogant.

It may very well be that your only experience of spirits is of disembodied ones or of "thought forms"., but that doesn't mean that is all there is out there... And since, as you admit, that you have not practiced many of the disciplines in taoism, you have no real experience to make blanket conclusions about the nature of spirits in other traditions... So how can you possibly know all the other types of spirits that are out there?.. I believe that if you were to find out that you were wrong and that there is an afterlife and ghosts and demons and deities do exist, then you will have to eat your hat, because you will have to confront the possibility that you have been dabbling in some possibly dangerous stuff. So, it's easier to just say, "oh, there all from inside me or some other living person."

As a child, I had encounters with spirits like the ones you describe, but since practicing spirit fighting, my experiences with spirits are very different. The spirits that I work with now are of a much higher plane. They are definitely higher beings from a higher dimension whose only agenda is to empower me and only if I seek their help. There is no exchange. The only requirement is that I use their knowledge in an altruistic way to help myself and others.

 

Many years ago, I was with a friend of mine who was lying down with her eyes closed. we were waiting for a yoga class to start. As a warm up, I did a couple of spirit fighting mudras to get my energy going, She bolted straight up and said, "What are you doing!?" and then went running out of the room. She later told me that she suddenly felt something slice through her. she said the moves I was making felt like they were cutting right through her and her body simply got up without her volition and walked out of the room. This is because she was playing with an entity that was following her around. The room was filled with other people who had no such reaction.

Honey, it takes one to know one. If Kunlun isn't an entity practice I will eat my hat!

You are confusing the personality of some of the kunlun practitioners with the actual practice. Max is not trained in spirit fighting. So, Kunlun has his personality on it, which is one of adventure and playfulness. The practices in Kunlun (except for Yi Gong) were originally also connected to spirit fighting. So, there was a built in safeguard from entity attacks. Most lower disembodied spirits have the same type of reaction to spirit fighters as you did to me,.. they sense the strong presence of the metal element and they run...(disembodied spirits don't like metal)

Anyway, Witch, I really do like and respect you and I have no need to argue with you ad infinitum... But I don't like that you are projecting your conclusions of your practice onto a practice that you do not have any real experience in.

Edited January 4, 2010 by fiveelementtao

[ralis]

In your opinion based on your experience limited to your practice. Others of us have very different experiences. So either there are other possibilities, or the rest of us are just idiots and only you know all there is to know about the spirit world... You don't strike me as that arrogant.

It may very well be that your only experience of spirits is of disembodied ones or of "thought forms"., but that doesn't mean that is all there is out there... And since, as you admit, that you have not practiced many of the disciplines in taoism, you have no real experience to make blanket conclusions about the nature of spirits in other traditions... So how can you possibly know all the other types of spirits that are out there?.. I believe that if you were to find out that you were wrong and that there is an afterlife and ghosts and demons and deities do exist, then you will have to eat your hat, because you will have to confront the possibility that you have been dabbling in some possibly dangerous stuff. So, it's easier to just say, "oh, there all from inside me or some other living person."

As a child, I had encounters with spirits like the ones you describe, but since practicing spirit fighting, my experiences with spirits are very different. The spirits that I work with now are of a much higher plane. They are definitely higher beings from a higher dimension whose only agenda is to empower me and only if I seek their help. There is no exchange. The only requirement is that I use their knowledge in an altruistic way to help myself and others.

 

Many years ago, I was with a friend of mine who was lying down with her eyes closed. we were waiting for a yoga class to start. As a warm up, I did a couple of spirit fighting mudras to get my energy going, She bolted straight up and said, "What are you doing!?" and then went running out of the room. She later told me that she suddenly felt something slice through her. she said the moves I was making felt like they were cutting right through her and her body simply got up without her volition and walked out of the room. This is because she was playing with an entity that was following her around. The room was filled with other people who had no such reaction.

 

You are confusing the personality of some of the kunlun practitioners with the actual practice. Max is not trained in spirit fighting. So, Kunlun has his personality on it, which is one of adventure and playfulness. The practices in Kunlun (except for Yi Gong) were originally also connected to spirit fighting. So, there was a built in safeguard from entity attacks. Most lower disembodied spirits have the same type of reaction to spirit fighters as you did to me,.. they sense the strong presence of the metal element and they run...(disembodied spirits don't like metal)

Anyway, Witch, I really do like and respect you and I have no need to argue with you ad infinitum... I have no problem with anyone doing whatever they want, but I can smell when someone is BSing themselves, which is fine with me if that is what you want to do on your own time But I don't like that you are projecting your conclusions of your practice onto a practice that you do not have any real experience in.

 

 

Will your DVD's help one eliminate unwanted entities?

 

ralis