My story

[Josama]

Will come back to it later.

Edited July 15, 2021 by Josama

[AussieTrees]

Namo Amitoufo,Namo Amitoufo,Namo Amitoufo.

To you Josama and your brave Sifu Jenny.

Thankyou for your honest story,how sobering.

Humbly juls

[Lth]

i enjoyed reading. thanks for sharing.

what i just wanna add is you should consider the demon thing as a belief system. so no you cant be possessed. you can have poor mindset based on fear though. that will make you believe you are not yourself.

so i offer you to try a method. which is not based on duality, as in you think there is evil and good. the evil you of the past and the good you of now (which you struggle to maintain)

so i suggest you try be neither for a moment. just sit down and try to be, just that, without judging it good or bad. i guarantee you will experience all kinds of things surfacing and it will not be easy (do as long as you can do it at a time), maybe some things will look like in the exorcist movies   but that is the stuck energy budging, so it can manifest internally to you or even externally, like in the movies

observe your demon opponent when doing it, see how he does it, maybe even get a laugh or two, as you realize what he's doing really has no effect on you, except a little bully push here and there and some noise.

its more like that kid's saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me", so eventually you will see that the demon is using names to hurt you. so it can be painful, that is what they do. like bullies picking on kids. but someday the kid outgrows the bully and the bullies life becomes miserable, or something like that. there is complete reversal

so try it if you haven't yet. you will see how good it is for getting a better insight.

best of luck to you

[Josama]

i enjoyed reading. thanks for sharing.

 

what i just wanna add is you should consider the demon thing as a belief system. so no you cant be possessed. you can have poor mindset based on fear though. that will make you believe you are not yourself.

 

so i offer you to try a method. which is not based on duality, as in you think there is evil and good. the evil you of the past and the good you of now (which you struggle to maintain)

 

so i suggest you try be neither for a moment. just sit down and try to be, just that, without judging it good or bad. i guarantee you will experience all kinds of things surfacing and it will not be easy (do as long as you can do it at a time), maybe some things will look like in the exorcist movies   but that is the stuck energy budging, so it can manifest internally to you or even externally, like in the movies

 

observe your demon opponent when doing it, see how he does it, maybe even get a laugh or two, as you realize what he's doing really has no effect on you, except a little bully push here and there and some noise.

 

its more like that kid's saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me", so eventually you will see that the demon is using names to hurt you. so it can be painful, that is what they do. like bullies picking on kids. but someday the kid outgrows the bully and the bullies life becomes miserable, or something like that. there is complete reversal

 

so try it if you haven't yet. you will see how good it is for getting a better insight.

 

best of luck to you

 

I understand your viewpoint and I thank you, what you say does show great understanding even if you don't believe in demons. In these last few months I have learned a lot because of it. One of them is that you can use a possession to learn about yourself. (that is is you don't go nuts and I very nearly did, still a danger now, though it has gotten much better)

 

The demon shows me what I least want to see. That's a good thing if you can use it. A demon can't create what isn't there which means it shows you what is a part of your dark side. Still, a possession makes spiritual progress very hard if not impossible and demons they do attack the people around them though chanting makes this much better. Also, it's due to chanting that I can see them. Otherwise, I couldn't, not yet at least. Actually usually if you are possessed you won't realize at all. It's when you start using methods that weaken the entity that you start getting fearful, in my case at least.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Josama

[SecretGrotto]

Thanks for sharing, really heavy story, glad you came out alive and wiser.

 

Ibogaine is no. 1 for breaking addictions. Micro-dose over a week or so for true life change.

 

I have never done drugs, and even though I have easy access to Ibogaine as I live in South Africa, I will never use it. Ibogaine can be transcendent and really give one incredible glimpses of heightened consciousness, but I have a belief that there's no free lunch.

 

I won't break my spiritual 'virginity' with LSD or Ibogaine, but I would rather struggle through Taoist Neidan for years to achieve lasting, deeper results taken to its conclusion.

[Josama]

Thanks for sharing, really heavy story, glad you came out alive and wiser.

 

Ibogaine is no. 1 for breaking addictions. Micro-dose over a week or so for true life change.

 

I have never done drugs, and even though I have easy access to Ibogaine as I live in South Africa, I will never use it. Ibogaine can be transcendent and really give one incredible glimpses of heightened consciousness, but I have a belief that there's no free lunch.

 

I won't break my spiritual 'virginity' with LSD or Ibogaine, but I would rather struggle through Taoist Neidan for years to achieve lasting, deeper results taken to its conclusion.

 

There is no need to take drugs, really! I recommend that you try chanting 'namo amituofo, I have tried a lot of practices (Tummo, inner and outer dissolving, Kunlun, and Vipassana) Out of all those I tried chanting is by far the most powerful. Not in terms of energy generated, but in terms of spiritual progress. Moeeover, you can combine it with an energy practice without problems.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Josama

[gendao]

Great story!
 
The problem, as you likely know, is that you still haven't resolved your root issue...but only the symptoms.  Hence, the root never goes away...and the symptoms keep resprouting.

The demons were a symptom of feeling guilty about your addictions, which were a symptom of:

Already as a kid, I had a very addictive personality. Certain events in my childhood made me want to seek escape in my thoughts.

You need to surgically deprogram whatever subconscious belief manifested in the old events that caused you so much traumatic pain you sought addictions as a diversionary coping mechanism. 

 

TBH, you don't really need any fancy spiritual rattles & drums...just some good, hard-nosed psychology and therapeutic bodywork (IMO).

Edited April 6, 2015 by gendao

[Josama]

Great story!

 

The problem, as you likely know, is that you still haven't resolved your root issue...but only the symptoms.  Hence, the root never goes away...and the symptoms keep resprouting.

 

The demons were a symptom of feeling guilty about your addictions, which were a symptom of:

You need to surgically deprogram whatever subconscious belief manifested in the old events that caused you so much traumatic pain you sought addictions as a diversionary coping mechanism. 

 

TBH, you don't really need any fancy spiritual rattles & drums...just some good, hard-nosed psychology and therapeutic bodywork (IMO).

 

Yes, you are right. Actually, after my second suicide attempt, my mother sent me to a psycchiatrist, however I never told him anything. I wasn't ready yet to talk about it at the time. However, when I realized some time ago that I need someone to talk about it so that I can finally work through it, I asked my mom to make an appointment for me. Which is tomorrow I think...

[Perceiver]

Josama, thanks for the story. 

 

Man, it was heart-breaking to read.. You've had a tough ride.

 

You've got some heart I must say, and it also seems like you've gotten a lot of wisdom. That makes me very happy .

 

I was moved by the story because I have had problems myself too. I suffered from social phobia for ten years, and then came an unexpected kundalini awakening. I've been in the black depths of life too, although not as serious as you have.

 

Now I'm doing much better. I am on the right path and am building my dream-life step by step. I no longer am constricted by social phobia and my qigong practice is grounding and harmonizing the kundalini experience.

 

I wanted to reach out with some advice, for what it's worth:

 

Regarding your story, I wouldn't want to do a single edit. It's great as it is. You speak from the heart and it's clear to see. It's going to connect with some people.

 

Secondly, if you suffer from possession try and look up Robert Bruce who is an astral travel expert, and also an expert in removing entities and the like. I think his site is called astralbob or something like that. I haven't had that problem myself; I've only seen negative entities (astral critters) and they aren't dangerous. But I can imagine the extreme irritation and fear you must be experiencing.

 

Thirdly, upon reading your story I wondered to myself if you perchance still deeply regret watching that child pornography and beat yourself up over it?

 

Don't get me wrong - child pornography is horrible, and yes, we shouldn't support it by watching it. You did make a mistake. But here's the thing:

We all make a lot of mistakes in life. I know I made a ton. There are people I hurt, even when I was subtly conscious of it. There are opportunities I didn't take, even though I knew I had to.

 

And I used to spend years beating myself up over it. Until I realized that there's always a reason for why we do the things that we do - even though we are subtly aware that we're doing the wrong thing. Something inside us - our intuition, our curiosity, our fear - depending on the actual situation - compels us sometimes to do the things we deep down know are wrong.

 

And then we regret it. And through our regret we - at some point - learn not to do it again.

 

There's always a reason for why we did something. And it's important to recognize and understand that. You did what you at that point were capable of doing, and you need to forgive yourself for that. It probably couldn't have been any other way. We sometimes are the person that we are - with the flaws that we have. It's important to understand that, and to embrace ourselves for the human beings we at the end of the day still are.

 

I don't beat myself up over lost opportunities or errors anymore. Instead, I understand my wrongful actions - and by understanding them from the inside out I am able to change them if I should be in a similar situation in the future again.

 

From that point of view, there's nothing to really regret. We did what we were capable of doing at that point. And we gained wisdom from it.

 

Perhaps you already know this. I just wanted to share in case it makes a difference.

 

Other than that, I would like to thank you for your insightful piece. I gained a lot from it.

 

You've come a long way, and with your mindset I am sure you will go even further .

 

PS: Final note: Michael Winn's qigong system is excellent of ridding oneself of negative thought-patterns, once you get to the fusion practices.. just a tip in case you want to widen your spiritual practice at some point

[RiverSnake]

Sounds like you had a rough road. Congrats on coming out of it wiser and more enlightened....many people don't.....atleast on this lifetime.

[Perceiver]

Final PS: I got help from a cognitive psychologist. Took a year before I got a breakthrough, but man, it was worth it..

[Lth]

I understand your viewpoint and I thank you, what you say does show great understanding even if you don't believe in demons. In these last few months I have learned a lot because of it. One of them is that you can use a possession to learn about yourself. (that is is you don't go nuts and I very nearly did, still a danger now, though it has gotten much better)

 

The demon shows me what I least want to see. That's a good thing if you can use it. A demon can't create what isn't there which means it shows you what is a part of your dark side. Still, a possession makes spiritual progress very hard if not impossible and demons they do attack the people around them though chanting makes this much better. Also, it's due to chanting that I can see them. Otherwise, I couldn't, not yet at least. Actually usually if you are possessed you won't realize at all. It's when you start using methods that weaken the entity that you start getting fearful, in my case at least.

 

entities yes, but not demons. demon is a christian definition. it can be anything. people engage in demonic practices everyday, like killing animals and eating their flesh. drinking wine that represents the symbolism of blood (religion) and many other things. but calling people demons is probably not the best thing as they dont even grasp what theyre doing. state religion perverts the whole thing.

 

so yeah. an entity is an entity. there are all types of it. but they are not necesary evil. they are evil because you perceive them as such. from their standpoint they aren't, unless they are programmed in a certain way to make themselve perceive that way. its a programmed energy manifestation that repeats itself. can be conscious or unconscious. entities can be created by other people to bother you, even unconsciously. so practically people are creating those things eveyday, unknowingly most of the time. with their mind, and energizing with emotion.

 

then there are spirits, discarnates and other astral beings. there are the so-called archons, humanity manipulators. they work to supress human spiritual progress. so those are more intelligent. amazing how much stuff there is. practically its another world just outside the physical world.

 

so those things show up to me up to this day. they try to scare, intimidate and just mess around, usually they try to trick you in your sleep state, since normally a humans energy field is strong when awake, so they cant penetrate to you deeper being that way. through unconscious sleep, they can. a lot of things weaken the energy field, like drugs, alcohol or just plain thinking that doesnt resonate with your higher self.

 

so what i gonna say to you is, you might think its really bad position you are in, since you are bothered by them, but know that you are actually in a lot better position than most of the world, as countless people are "possessed" just like you but not have a single clue that they are, and chances of them realizing themselves is pretty slim. why do you think there is so much unconsciousness in the world ?

 

so us that know are enduring a hardship, getting used to it, but in the meantime we are breaking through the barriers that have existed who knows for how long. so because of that humanity might actually break free of itself, the hidden agenda is coming through eventually. there will be interesting times. so stay strong and never give up !

[Aetherous]

I'm not at all qualified to discuss the subject with you, but simply as one person to another...why do you accept this demon as possessing you? That seems at least to me to be 90% of the problem right there. A passive approach to your life, by just accepting what happens to you. Why not just kick it out and don't accept it back in, and pray for protection for yourself and others? Maybe I'm being dumb here...I see that you have tried things to get rid of it, so you're not entirely to blame for your problems.

 

Regardless, thanks for sharing such personal aspects of our path, and best of luck.

[Josama]

@Lth : I know that what people generally understand under the term of demons doesn't exist. There is no entity out there that can take complete control of you. What I call demons are entities that are malicious in nature. In the end however it's only a name, doesn't really matter what name you give them. Though I must admit that it's probably better not to use the term 'demon' as it generates a lot of fear and that is exactly what they want.

 

@Aetherous I wish I could just kick it out, I don't have that power, unfortunately. As to the reason, I will find out in time, but you are right that the reason is very important.

 

 

@Perceiver : I don't want to change anything about the story, I just want to beautify it. Like I said I will turn this in  a Youtube video, I wrote it with that in mind. Furthermore, the story isn't finished yet, not till the demon leaves and I have dealt with my emotional issues.

Also, you asked if I still beat myself up over it. When I wrote the story down I was actually feeling happy just by knowing that this will be able to help some people. However, when I read over it, there was a lot of sadness and anger that came up. I actually was suppressing all these feelings along very strongly, but they are starting to surface again now... 

[Everything]

I also had a demonic posession yesterday. You know what I did? I put reins on the demon, and then the demon was posessed by me. and I flew it, oh I flew it good! flew it, right into the trashcan, oops! and then I flushed it. Hell I didn't even know my trashcan could flush! but it can... It was installed with flush capability by angelic beings. Flushed it real good, right to angelic processing facility where the demon will be dispersed into angelic pixie dust... Good thing for demons ey?

 

Edited April 7, 2015 by Everything

[Lth]

@Lth : I know that what people generally understand under the term of demons doesn't exist. There is no entity out there that can take complete control of you. What I call demons are entities that are malicious in nature. In the end however it's only a name, doesn't really matter what name you give them. Though I must admit that it's probably better not to use the term 'demon' as it generates a lot of fear and that is exactly what they want.

 

@Aetherous I wish I could just kick it out, I don't have that power, unfortunately. As to the reason, I will find out in time, but you are right that the reason is very important.

 

 

@Perceiver : I don't want to change anything about the story, I just want to beautify it. Like I said I will turn this in  a Youtube video, I wrote it with that in mind. Furthermore, the story isn't finished yet, not till the demon leaves and I have dealt with my emotional issues.

Also, you asked if I still beat myself up over it. When I wrote the story down I was actually feeling happy just by knowing that this will be able to help some people. However, when I read over it, there was a lot of sadness and anger that came up. I actually was suppressing all these feelings along very strongly, but they are starting to surface again now... 

 

from how you write it seems you are enforcing your problem by identifying yourself to the demon. dont give too much importance to it if you dont wanna manifest it.

 

you would be amazed how far belief systems can influence oneself. it is possible to unknowingly have a certain belief that is attracting the world around you.

 

there is so much things to learn

[Aetherous]

@Aetherous I wish I could just kick it out, I don't have that power, unfortunately. As to the reason, I will find out in time, but you are right that the reason is very important.

 

May your wish come true, then.

[gendao]

@Aetherous I wish I could just kick it out, I don't have that power, unfortunately. As to the reason, I will find out in time, but you are right that the reason is very important.

A demon haunting you is only your Shadow Self trying to get your attention to heal and reintegrate itself.  You can outrun your Shadow Self no easier than your actual shadow...  It can only be un-misunderstood and reabsorbed (loved & reaccepted).

 

You were likely abused before (by others and yourself), feeling completely powerless like a baby being raped.  And now like a grown adult being stalked by a demon, again powerless to defend yourself.  Painfully POWERLESS...

 

Yet, we all have access to our own innate power...you have simply subconsciously suppressed it, possibly because you may have abused it before and fear abusing it again now?  Which means that you also have the key to release it and learn to wield power wisely.

 

Again:

"We must discover the cause of our own ignorance." - Bruce Lee

Edited April 8, 2015 by gendao

[Josama]

Haha, I LOVE Bruce Lee. That's the first time I have seen that second picture, thank you Gendao, that really put a smile on my face

[carbonbreath]

I was going to recommend iboga, but you beat me to it.

 

Josama- your story is very similar to mine on many levels. In my case I blamed it on bad genes, bad decisions and misfortune.

 

But, it's not about me- it's about you.  Please read up on iboga (and for that matter; ayahuasca and kambo).  I believe with the proper set, setting and guidance, they could help you immensely with your addictions. I want to emphasize these medicines are not something you should take alone or take lightly. It may very may well be the greatest commitment of your life.  Iboga has no agenda, and it will not lie to you. It will most definitely kick your ass and wake you up to the reality of your situation and your life so you can finally start to see clearly.

 

Your post confirmed my suspicions that Sifu Jenny is a very cleverly disguised con-artist. What you left out is that she charges 12,000$ for those 10-day treatments, which was obviously not effective for you.  That wouldn't be too bad in and of itself, if it were not for the fact that she re-inforces the -idea- (as she did in your case) that you even have a demon/entity in the first place. She effectively casts a spell on you in order to hook you and reel you in. In my opinion, that is completely fucked up.  I don't care how accomplished/holy she and other people may claim she is, and I am not afraid of speaking my truth, and that's what I believe.

 

I didn't read the thread yet, so this has probably already been mentioned, but you seem thoroughly convinced that your misfortune was caused by your so-called demonic possession. Regardless of whether or not you are possessed, your mind-construction; your idea of this has a very powerful impact on you. It's a very convenient way of playing the victim card, and you in that game, you always come out the losing end.

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing, really heavy story, glad you came out alive and wiser.

 

Ibogaine is no. 1 for breaking addictions. Micro-dose over a week or so for true life change.

 

I have never done drugs, and even though I have easy access to Ibogaine as I live in South Africa, I will never use it. Ibogaine can be transcendent and really give one incredible glimpses of heightened consciousness, but I have a belief that there's no free lunch.

 

I won't break my spiritual 'virginity' with LSD or Ibogaine, but I would rather struggle through Taoist Neidan for years to achieve lasting, deeper results taken to its conclusion.

 

Thanks for sharing, really heavy story, glad you came out alive and wiser.

 

Ibogaine is no. 1 for breaking addictions. Micro-dose over a week or so for true life change.

 

I have never done drugs, and even though I have easy access to Ibogaine as I live in South Africa, I will never use it. Ibogaine can be transcendent and really give one incredible glimpses of heightened consciousness, but I have a belief that there's no free lunch.

 

I won't break my spiritual 'virginity' with LSD or Ibogaine, but I would rather struggle through Taoist Neidan for years to achieve lasting, deeper results taken to its conclusion.

Edited April 8, 2015 by carbonbreath

[Josama]

I was going to recommend iboga, but you beat me to it.

 

Josama- your story is very similar to mine on many levels. In my case I blamed it on bad genes, bad decisions and misfortune.

 

But, it's not about me- it's about you. Please read up on iboga (and for that matter; ayahuasca and kambo). I believe with the proper set, setting and guidance, they could help you immensely with your addictions. I want to emphasize these medicines are not something you should take alone or take lightly. It may very may well be the greatest commitment of your life. Iboga has no agenda, and it will not lie to you. It will most definitely kick your ass and wake you up to the reality of your situation and your life so you can finally start to see clearly.

 

Your post confirmed my suspicions that Sifu Jenny is a very cleverly disguised con-artist. What you left out is that she charges 12,000$ for those 10-day treatments, which was obviously not effective for you. That wouldn't be too bad in and of itself, if it were not for the fact that she re-inforces the -idea- (as she did in your case) that you even have a demon/entity in the first place. She effectively casts a spell on you in order to hook you and reel you in. In my opinion, that is completely fucked up. I don't care how accomplished/holy she and other people may claim she is, and I am not afraid of speaking my truth, and that's what I believe.

 

I didn't read the thread yet, so this has probably already been mentioned, but you seem thoroughly convinced that your misfortune was caused by your so-called demonic possession. Regardless of whether or not you are possessed, your mind-construction; your idea of this has a very powerful impact on you. It's a very convenient way of playing the victim card, and you in that game, you always come out the losing end.

Carbonbreath, I have tried enough drugs and I don't need them. You may think that they could prove helpful in one's spiritual progress. That is true, BUT they are risky and there are better ways. There is a reason why people like Michael Lomax who actually have gone that way tell you so. Chanting 'Namo Amituofo' opens the guru chakra, as a result, you start experiencing actual spiritual progress and that without any risk.

 

As for Sifu Jenny, yes it's true that her prices are expensive, but have you actually met her in person and got a feeling for her?

At first I wasn't to sure about her what to think. I mean when I talked with Max, his energy was so bright, so alluring. With her I didn't feel anything. It wasn't till after I got to meet her and after that I realized : she is a real master. Like one of those old hermits, who just seem like your average person walking around. I don't know if it's due to her hiding her energy or if she was always like this, but her knowledge is VAST.

 

She never said that my misfortune was because of my possession. Au contraire, she told me that the possession was the fault of my own actions which is absolutely true. It's just hard for me to not concentrate on the entity as I feel it all the time, it's like you have a nasty pimple that doesn't want to go away^^

Edited May 6, 2015 by Josama

[Aetherous]

Your post confirmed my suspicions that Sifu Jenny is a very cleverly disguised con-artist. What you left out is that she charges 12,000$ for those 10-day treatments, which was obviously not effective for you.  That wouldn't be too bad in and of itself, if it were not for the fact that she re-inforces the -idea- (as she did in your case) that you even have a demon/entity in the first place. She effectively casts a spell on you in order to hook you and reel you in. In my opinion, that is completely fucked up.  I don't care how accomplished/holy she and other people may claim she is, and I am not afraid of speaking my truth, and that's what I believe.

 

Not that I'm capable of truly knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that demons are there or not, and whether someone can help with them or not...but from my level of perception, I agree with you completely regarding Jenny Lamb's behavior.

 

If I had the ability to dispel demons from people's lives, I wouldn't charge them that much, if anything at all. It's a service to humanity if you have that ability, not a lucrative business. Why not charge a fair amount instead of a fucking ridiculous amount? An average person earns lets say $40,000 in a year for actual hard work (not for playing the role of master over others)...only really well off people are making $12,000 in 10 days! If she kept that up for an entire year she'd be pulling in $432,000! The excuse that people need to pay in order to demonstrate giving something of value for achieving a result, is a complete cop out, especially when the treatment doesn't work! The excuse that the treatment did work, but then demons came back because of one reason or another, is hogwash. And blaming it on the patient, rather than taking responsibility and completing the exorcism pro-bono, is more bologna.

 

She has failed in what she agreed to do in a business arrangement...shirking her duty to Josama. So now, in my view, she owes him. If she even has these abilities, which is now doubtful.

 

Also...I was taken aback at her response to his private emails, posted publicly on Facebook, before he personally came out publicly with his story...

 

"I know that you are trying to get help from me, otherwise you would not contact me by sending me one email after another, but you did not demonstrate enough your repentance fully and truthfully, that can convince me that I should care to help you again. If my help in the past was not successful, you would not want to contact me again for any more of the same type of help. Certainly I did successfully help you with your demon issues with my hard work. But why on earth that you want to bring them back to your life and team up with demons again? Is your suffering for years not enough and you want more? Or you still have a desire longing for power over others or to show off yourself. Now, you got what you are asking for. No one can stop you to fulfill your desire. Be aware, everyone has to live with the consequences of their actions and take responsibility for it."

 

Is this really a way to talk to someone who paid you many thousands of dollars, who seeks your help in what seems to be a demonic possession? I think not. I viewed this as public humiliation, rather than any form of help for him. Gotta humiliate the people who threaten your business model, because others might then see that your work isn't even effective?

 

This whole thing could be easily resolved if she demonstrated virtue: actually help the people who need it, for as long as they need it, do it quietly, respectfully, and don't rip them off. Not that I'm perfect or capable of knowing/judging her as a person...but lets use some common sense here, and call this behavior what it is = unacceptable.

[Josama]

Not that I'm capable of truly knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that demons are there or not, and whether someone can help with them or not...but from my level of perception, I agree with you completely regarding Jenny Lamb's behavior.

 

If I had the ability to dispel demons from people's lives, I wouldn't charge them that much, if anything at all. It's a service to humanity if you have that ability, not a lucrative business. Why not charge a fair amount instead of a fucking ridiculous amount? An average person earns lets say $40,000 in a year for actual hard work (not for playing the role of master over others)...only really well off people are making $12,000 in 10 days! If she kept that up for an entire year she'd be pulling in $432,000! The excuse that people need to pay in order to demonstrate giving something of value for achieving a result, is a complete cop out, especially when the treatment doesn't work! The excuse that the treatment did work, but then demons came back because of one reason or another, is hogwash. And blaming it on the patient, rather than taking responsibility and completing the exorcism pro-bono, is more bologna.

 

She has failed in what she agreed to do in a business arrangement...shirking her duty to Josama. So now, in my view, she owes him. If she even has these abilities, which is now doubtful.

 

Also...I was taken aback at her response to his private emails, posted publicly on Facebook, before he personally came out publicly with his story...

 

 

Is this really a way to talk to someone who paid you many thousands of dollars, who seeks your help in what seems to be a demonic possession? I think not. I viewed this as public humiliation, rather than any form of help for him. Gotta humiliate the people who threaten your business model, because others might then see that your work isn't even effective?

 

This whole thing could be easily resolved if she demonstrated virtue: actually help the people who need it, for as long as they need it, do it quietly, respectfully, and don't rip them off. Not that I'm perfect or capable of knowing/judging her as a person...but lets use some common sense here, and call this behavior what it is = unacceptable.

Aetherous : If you were her, getting so much money out of it and that a patient who had paid you already before would come back to you, being prepared to pay her again would you really tell that client off? Also, if you were only interested in money would really post something like this on facebook that may just provoke a reaction like this? The reason why she actually reacted as she did is because my failed removal made her sad, I hadn't written her any mail for like 2 years. She probably thought that everything was fine. She only wanted to give me a wake-up call, if you read her first mail, you will realize that she only wants my best...

 

Also, she asked me for permission to post them.

 

Carbonbreath and Aetherous : I know you guys are only trying to help me. I sincerely thank you for that and I certainly had hate for it seem that I was attacking you two in my previous two posts. It's just that Sifu Jenny, she is not at fault here. She convinced my to post my story as a mirror for others so that it may help others and at the same time lift my Karma by doing so. Her advice was the most useful I could get. That she would come under attack after helping me, my honor would not allow.

 

If I were to blame her it would mean that I would be insanely STUPID. The choices I have made may not have been smart, but at least I can contend myself with the thought that not all hope is lost with me.

 

Kindly,

 

Jos

Edited April 9, 2015 by Josama

[Aetherous]

A very honorable reply Jos.

[Perceiver]

Josama, there's some truth in what Carbonbreath and Aetherous are saying.

 

12,000 dollars for ten days is an exorbitant price. The people whom I believe to be spiritually advanced are generally not that money-driven, especially not when dealing with unfortunate normal-income people like you.

 

I would feel bad if I got a young decent guy with problems to pay me a thousand dollars per day for help - wouldn't you?

 

Also, you're defending her to the point where it seems like she is infallible? I find that strange. I don't believe that we should ever blindly worship other people and completely deny the possibility that they could have self-interested motives. Not all people are perfect, and some teachers in the spiritual world are money-driven, egoic and well, lots of other things. Some skepticism is always warranted.