The Tao of Weight Loss - ThreadBook

[zanshin]

How about more of a self discovery book? We know individuals respond well to a wide range of diet and exercise regimens, but most diet books are a fairly rote recommendation. Scientific research is good for reference, but each person is always a case study rather than a statistic.

[soaring crane]

I think the idea in nature is eat to live, not live to eat.

 

Absolutely how I view it, too. I think one of our challenges is the effortless access to an unnatural abundance of food. I try to view it differently, eat just what I need and not dwell on it too much, but the whole of this society is fixated on food. When I go to relatives for an occasion, birthday, Easter, etc, there's always far too much to eat, and, worse, the entire conversation revolves around the food. They stuff themselves silly and talk about the stuffing. I can always be found with the kids, enjoying myself and avoiding all the big people, lol.

 

 

Many dogs will eat until they gorge and stuff themselves....it is habit conditioning bred into the genes because in nature, especially among carnivores, its feast or famine.

 

that's a really good point. Wild canines will do that, but it happens after a long, strenuous hunt, and is followed by days of lounging and not eating anything. I think they only eat like three times or four times a week in the wild (absoultey not sure if I'm remembering that accurately). And then our bow wow's have it programmed into them, but they, like us, have effortless access to too much food, and so they eat too much, develop diabetes or some other anthropomorphic disease, and suffer an early death, after years of useless "care" from vets who aren't bold enough to tell dog owners that they're killing their loved ones.

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"To tie this into yin yang theory would be great and is something I am interested in. Daoism is a science based on observation of nature.

 

,,, If this book is marketed towards westerners, who have been brought up in a heavily science-ified culture, creating the correlations between ancient and modern wisdoms is a good thing, because it will get them hooked into wanting more."

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It occurs to me that I have spent the past 35-40 years doing this research.

 

My research has not been in search of a popular "diet" type of idea, but to find the missing parts of qigong and yoga that explains why most of these practices going so slow in this modern time.

 

Starting from 70s I see martial arts and qigong and yoga people, masters, are not really developing beyond a certain point, and I see that the issue is the polarity/complimentary between physical and spiritual "structure" - I see them making themselves (by "ordinary" eating & lifestyle) opposite of their training and diminishing from this.

 

People are masters of "diabetic qigong", or "cancerous yoga" and many more subtle things like this too. No amount of waving arms or sitting pretzel will remake this into good compared to just not making it first.

 

I see masters spending many years qigong, but much more years of making themselves disorganized with illogical basic eating and living. Actually, they become impaired by fairly minor things, accumulated. This shows me that this whole area is missing, and in last 30 years I see some awareness of this, but nobody recovering old and original practices and applying well.

 

At end of 70s I began experimenting with this and studying all related ideas, and especially in the last 25 years I am finding what I began looking for, and see very important results.

 

But my study is not pointed to produce popular dieting books, but finding very advanced missing parts of qigong and yoga and see if application removes many modern problems in these practices. What I find has almost nothing at all to do with modern goals and ideas, and so I feel maybe not appealing to or understandable in context of most goals in modern fake culture.

 

But - could solve most of their issues as well.

 

I just continue to refine this, teaching in very small way, not public, in context of physical/spiritual developing maturity and freedom. Happy to discuss with anyone, but right now not applying this to reach public with diet plan.

 

General trend right now in most modern diet, most "hipster", is good compared to past 50 years, but still lacking fundamental understanding. Even so, people now looking at plant-based eating, no GMO, organic - all this is a good sign going forward.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[liminal_luke]

There´s a lot to be said for "eating to live" rather than the other way around, but I also think that cooking is an art and savoring food can be as valuable as going to a museum or reading a great book. 

 

Liminal

[Songtsan]

-VonKrankenhaus .....[last post]

 

You remind me very much of myself! Yeah, its hard to sift through all the false information out there and the wannabees who are just trying to start their own cult and make money....

 

every body is it's own laboratory and we have to constantly experiment with it.

 

No one system out there works for everyone.

 

We much each pick and choose, sift the things that work for us out of the myriad of possible wways...

 

some people will benefit from eating meat, some won't

 

belief and allergies are tied together - if you believe that eating meat is harmful, your body will create an autoimmune inflammatory response. I can not eat higher order animals anymore....I could eat something if I fairly killed it and needed to kill it to survive, but to eat farm raised animals in general is contributing to chains and chains of misery, which will be taken into your body and you yourself will become miserable.

[MooNiNite]

MooniNite,

 

Do you have a personal story around this?  Your own weight-loss journey achieved by putting your ideas into practice?  Stories from others you´ve coached?  I think personal stories -- and especially yours as the author -- are what motivate people, helping to bring abstract principles of wisdom into the realm of practical advice.

 

Liminal.

 

Sorry i missed this. No i really dont have any personal experience, been reasonably fit. I just believe that their is a big side of wieghtloss and health that isnt being addressed properly

[MooNiNite]

Many dogs will eat until they gorge and stuff themselves....it is habit conditioning bred into the genes because in nature, especially among carnivores, its feast or famine.

 

As omnivores, humans have tendencies towards both feast or famine mentality and the grazing mentality....

 

If one function overexpresses, it can definitely lead to obesity.

 

How scientific do you plan on getting in the book?

 

Daoist practices definitely effect hormone cycles and upregulation/downregulation of hormone receptors in the brain....

 

To tie this into yin yang theory would be great and is something I am interested in. Daoism is a science based on observation of nature.

 

Science is this too, yet also more invasive in its empirical methodology. If this book is marketed towards westerners, who have been brought up in a heavily science-ified culture, creating the correlations between ancient and modern wisdoms is a good thing, because it will get them hooked into wanting more.

 

It apparent that anything based on East meets West can easily become a big seller nowadays

 

It might be good to get very scientific, the problem is that society really hasn't caught up with the idea of a soul and inner peace on a technological level. It is definitely moving in that direction, but i doubt anyone has related soul purpose or energy work with wieghtloss atleast from a scientific standpoint.

 

The yogis and daoists already know health and transformation comes from inner peace so they really dont try to prove it to anyone.

[Songtsan]

Well, if they really cared about the health of the planet, they wouldn't be secretive about it. Unhealthy people do unhealthy things, which results in destroyed forests, animals dying, pollution, etc. This should be in the book too. How the way we treat our body reflects on the way we treat the earth and its inhabitants, how mistreating one small part of reality results in karmic chains of misery for all other parts.