The Tao of Weight Loss - ThreadBook

[MooNiNite]

This is a thread discussing wieght loss and health, with regards to spiritual ascension. 

 

Basically the idea is that laziness doesn't actually exist, only a lack of knowing oneself. Because if people knew what they liked, then they wouldn't be lazy.

 

Going to feature chapters like:

 

The Art of War...against calories. Not making any unnecessary movements towards food. 

Zen to Ten..pounds.

 

Lau Tzu says, get off your butt!

 

Edited April 20, 2015 by MooNiNite

[voidisyinyang]

So "knowing yourself" would mean knowing all the secret factors external that become internalized - corporate junk food especially.

 

Most people just don't realize they are under attack by the corporate junk food scammers.

 

For example I saw a granola box - Sunbelt - featuring "high fructose corn syrup free" and someone on thetaobums recently commented in response to me how "hfcs" was very bad. Yeah but in the fine print of that granola the third ingredient was "corn syrup" and guess what? That's just as bad. Somehow HFCS has become the soundbyte meme - and that's how corporate mind control works - without really understanding why all corn syrup is bad.

 

Corn syrup is synthetic and so lacks the enzyme that normally connects glucose and fructose. So HFCS has more fructose yes - but the point is that without that enzyme then the sugar is not digested in the small intestine (lack the fructose in fruit - or beans have fructose - producing the gas farting).

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF8N8zBKz3w

 

So this lecture is required viewing - obviously if there is a child obesity epidemic - even babies! It is not due to intentional choices but rather this corporate junk food scam - with corn syrup as a main ingredient in milk formula.

 

The other big scam is exposed by the doctor who wrote the Wheat Belly book. Modern wheat after the green revolution has increased the levels of wheat gluten - often which the gluten as an added ingredient even to "whole wheat" bread. So all that gluten is just like sugar - and so it just turns to fat. The wheat is also addicting and causes inflammation like sugar does.

 

The third big factor is salt. For example coca-cola can put huge amounts of corn syrup in the drinks without people noticing it because at the same time they increase the sodium levels. So the sodium actually makes people more thirsty!

 

 

That would be the third main expose - Dr. Lustig's research on sugar.

 

Lustig's big point is that it's next to impossible to exercise off the calories of corn syrup.

 

If a person cuts back 1 soda a day - they will lose 5 pounds in a year - no matter what. 1 soda a day = gaining five pounds a year no matter what. 

 

A lot of people have the equivalent of 2 corn syrup sodas a day - so gain 10 pounds a year. In 2 years they are obese.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Innersoundqigong

[voidisyinyang]

Even the qigong master was drinking an orange "juice" sold in the "health food" section of the grocery story. The main ingredient was corn syrup!! And he was trying to lose weight with lots of exercise and he is a real spiritual master! Sure if you do extreme sports then yes fructose will give you immediate energy - but as Gabriel Cousens points out even eating some fruit you need to do exercise for an hour - extreme exercise - to work off one fruit. I know because I get my yin qi counteracting the fructose. I mean yes - like one Minnesota dude said the secret of his speed ice skating was to slam a bottle of corn syrup before the race. Yes in the winter doing some extreme sport - then fructose is probably good - like shoveling a half mile of snow. haha.

 

But otherwise you are going to gain weight no matter what doing corn syrup which is synthetic without the enzyme and so it gets digested in the liver and the liver turns it directly into fat.

[mYTHmAKER]

one of the ways to lose spiritual weight is to meditate

[vonkrankenhaus]

Is this meaning a "spiritual" way to losing weight - or a way to lose "spiritual weight"?

 

Physical weight issue has been "psychologized" when it really isn't, as innersoundqigong is showing with the HFCS, and general modern replacement of food with what are basically biological insults designed by chemists.

 

Eating is a primal interaction with the overall environment, and we are nothing but manifestations of that environment, which extends from the core of the Earth to cosmic vibration to infinity. This has been fractioned, "refined", synthesized, industrialized, and attached to financial and political controls.

 

Much work has been done to create an entirely false culture centered around non-foods and the impediments this is creating.

 

And part of that is positing purely psychological reasons for the problems being caused by what turn out to be very simple biological leverages - and it really doesn't matter what one thinks of themselves - if we are consuming a lot of HFCS, for example, we are actually experiencing a "liver metabolism scam" and most likely accumulating body fat in a strange new way.

 

BTW - I myself have never consumed HFCS, and have not used refined sugar or any common manufactured sweetener for nearly 40 years. No meat either. I wear the same clothing size now as I did when I was 18, and weigh the same as I did then. Haven't seen a doctor in that long either, having had no significant health concerns in all that time.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[thelerner]

I'm no role model here.  But.. a section on spiritually cleaning out the pantries and keeping them 'pure' ie don't introduce junk food back into them.  A section on spiritual cooking, keeping it simple and natural, would be good; some easy raw recipes. 

 

The path to effortlessness begins with discipline.  Keeping ones diet simple and repetitive until it becomes a habit and lifestyle.  Only then should you open up to greater choices.    Until correct habits are set, choice is the enemy.  <this actually comes from Tim Ferris who lost alot of weight and said the secret was eating the exact same thing (healthy, slow carb) every day for a month>

[blue eyed snake]

I dunno,

i need a book "how not to get too slender" without eating things like sugar/alcohol/ refined food etc.

even though, before that i had problems to stay on weight already...

 

But for me when i changed eating habits the main thing was that i all of a sudden became conscious of the body as something that needs loving care, healthy food etc.

 

Took me 50 years... But i think that's an important thing. People just don't think about it ( i didn't, well, i did a bit actually, my diet was already far healthier than average, but I wasn't conscious of it being my responsibility to take care of that body, to listen to it.

 

and I know from a woman who started dieting that she had learned to really taste her food, ( dieting in a group, with weekly sessions lead by a creative dietist) like eat some  " strawberryyoghurt"

 

and then eat some real good yoghurt with some real strawberry's, taste the difference, for this woman it helped. She eats less and better quality and slowly lost weight, but that indeed means that she started omitting all those modern 'foods'

[Nikolai1]

The English have an expression: thinner than a racing snake. But you're not actually a snake are you?

[Songtsan]

I'll help. I have a background in health & fitness and whatnot...what's your plan of attack? when writing books I usually start with the skeleton and flesh it out as I go. The skeleton in this case being the overall organization of the book such as chapters and the path the book takes.

 

Know your target market and know how to speak in the way that keeps them engaged. In the personal training industry, the best personal trainers are like entertainers...which is why there is such a big crossover with the 'life coaching' industry.

 

Your book should not be too dry, analytical...it should contain stories that motivate and inspire. As it is a spiritual book, you can of course tie it into spiritual theory and practices.

 

Such as the relationship between attachment/aversion and how they affect our actions (or lack of actions, such as failure to exercise due to aversion to pain).

 

Also, it should discuss the downfall of being too ego-driven, which can lead to ill health through pursuit of a perfect body (ties in with overtraining big time).

 

You can keep it mostly metaphorical/allegorical, but you should at least find a way to discuss the mundane parts of integrating a program plan and evaluating said program. What I mean is that to some extent you will have to discuss issues regarding exercise & nutrition prescription and the science of it, which might seem analytical to some.

 

You might start by asking questions. Do surveys. Find out why people choose to do/not do the things they do/don't do. I can certainly discuss why I choose to not progress.

 

Might discuss ways of ridding non-useful behaviors.

 

Well, yeah...anyways I can add a bunch as this is by far and foremost my area of expertise.

[MooNiNite]

The English have an expression: thinner than a racing snake. But you're not actually a snake are you?

 

not that I am aware of

[MooNiNite]

I'll help. I have a background in health & fitness and whatnot...what's your plan of attack? when writing books I usually start with the skeleton and flesh it out as I go. The skeleton in this case being the overall organization of the book such as chapters and the path the book takes.

 

Know your target market and know how to speak in the way that keeps them engaged. In the personal training industry, the best personal trainers are like entertainers...which is why there is such a big crossover with the 'life coaching' industry.

 

Your book should not be too dry, analytical...it should contain stories that motivate and inspire. As it is a spiritual book, you can of course tie it into spiritual theory and practices.

 

Such as the relationship between attachment/aversion and how they affect our actions (or lack of actions, such as failure to exercise due to aversion to pain).

 

Also, it should discuss the downfall of being too ego-driven, which can lead to ill health through pursuit of a perfect body (ties in with overtraining big time).

 

You can keep it mostly metaphorical/allegorical, but you should at least find a way to discuss the mundane parts of integrating a program plan and evaluating said program. What I mean is that to some extent you will have to discuss issues regarding exercise & nutrition prescription and the science of it, which might seem analytical to some.

 

You might start by asking questions. Do surveys. Find out why people choose to do/not do the things they do/don't do. I can certainly discuss why I choose to not progress.

 

Might discuss ways of ridding non-useful behaviors.

 

Well, yeah...anyways I can add a bunch as this is by far and foremost my area of expertise.

 

 

That would be awesome. Your expertise would help a lot! Those are very good ideas.

 

Yeah same, I usually write books the same way, splitting it into chapters and then putting them all together. 

 

 

My expertise is more from a wisdom standpoint and building it from the angle of knowing oneself to create life.

 

My idea is that as individuals know themselves from a deeper standpoint, they go through the process of Embodiment.

 

Or becoming one's body on an experiential level.

 

Causing them to become more sensitive, and have more self esteem and energy, etc. 

 

And also become  more full on the inside, needing less food, but being more active.

 

Anyways, i'm not perfect, but these projects are fun to me. 

Edited April 18, 2015 by MooNiNite

[blue eyed snake]

The English have an expression: thinner than a racing snake. But you're not actually a snake are you?

 

shhhhh  beware

 

No, i just am not all that interested in food, and when I'm preoccupied with something I just forget to eat. So when i get sick and lose weight because of fever etc. It's always a bit of a problem to eat enough to get my trousers to fit again.

[Songtsan]

There are enough good thinkers/writers/philosophers/teachers on this site that we as a whole could group publish an e-book/book on just about anything. I see internet forums as books in a way and also like personal journals for the people.

[Wells]

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Edited May 10, 2016 by Wells

[GrandmasterP]

Anyone wanna help me?

 

Basically the idea is that lazyness doesnt exist only a lack of knowing oneself. Cause if people knew what they liked, then they wouldn't be lazy.

 

Gonna feature chapters like

 

The Art of War...against calories. Not making any unnecissary movements towards food.

Zen to Ten..pounds.

 

Lau Tzu says, get off your butt!

"Eat less.. Exercise more."

The End.

Edited April 19, 2015 by GrandmasterP

[Songtsan]

Feature discussions on the relationship between longevity and caloric restriction, like when yang (activity of hunger producing neuropeptides reaches its zenith, then turns to yin (downregulated receptor sites or some kind of thingy need to research the techno-speak explanation)Tie in the relationship between spiritual concepts such as wu Wei and eating habits; 'don't eat when not hungry'; spontaneous eating.

This book is an excellent idea Josama. In fact, this thread will become the book. So it should get renamed and pinned.Sorry about the formatting in this post...typing from tablet. Here is what we do: members involved (per Josama's approval, since you are the organizer/originator of the idea and the one with the passion to begin the project), continually edit their posts with edit updates, etc. Each post could be either a section of a chapter or a chapter)...

Losing focus...be back later

[liminal_luke]

MooniNite,

 

Do you have a personal story around this?  Your own weight-loss journey achieved by putting your ideas into practice?  Stories from others you´ve coached?  I think personal stories -- and especially yours as the author -- are what motivate people, helping to bring abstract principles of wisdom into the realm of practical advice.

 

Liminal.

[MooNiNite]

"Eat less.. Exercise more."

The End.

 

You think so? What causes people to have more self control and energy?

[soaring crane]

Regarding general weight loss, my wife has struggled with it for ... decades. Now she has a personal dietician and the plan is working. The most important factor in the plan is that she eats three meals a day, and absolutely nothing else. She has to leave an absolute minimum of 4 hours, and better 5 or even 6 hours, between meals. In the between times, she can't have anything with any flavor at all. That leaves tap water, period. She's been doing this now for I think six weeks and has shed (I think) eleven kilos. She doesn't eat light, the calorie figure is higher than she expected, but she's eating more protein-based than usual. The food she's permitted is strictly limited, but we both feel that the long breaks between meals are having the biggest effect. Breakfast is absolutely essential.

 

She's bursting with energy, too.

 

Regarding body shape and spiritual development:

 

[vonkrankenhaus]

You might want to take a look at "The Book of Macrobiotics" by Michio Kushi, or any book by George Ohsawa.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[MooNiNite]

So, how people can lose "spiritual weight" (=unnecessary and superstitious beliefs which come hidden and mixed into their training systems)???

 

Good for me, I have not only a physical but also a spiritual sixpack!

 

I was thinking more in terms of addressing the spiritual side of not only losing excess wieght, but becoming healthy.

 

Spiritual beings often need less food and feel more full. They have less need for taking and are more giving in nature. 

[MooNiNite]

Regarding general weight loss, my wife has struggled with it for ... decades. Now she has a personal dietician and the plan is working. The most important factor in the plan is that she eats three meals a day, and absolutely nothing else. She has to leave an absolute minimum of 4 hours, and better 5 or even 6 hours, between meals. In the between times, she can't have anything with any flavor at all. That leaves tap water, period. She's been doing this now for I think six weeks and has shed (I think) eleven kilos. She doesn't eat light, the calorie figure is higher than she expected, but she's eating more protein-based than usual. The food she's permitted is strictly limited, but we both feel that the long breaks between meals are having the biggest effect. Breakfast is absolutely essential.

 

She's bursting with energy, too.

 

Regarding body shape and spiritual development:

 

 

That good. I just want to say that I believe being overwieght isnt a bad thing, for some people that is their natural state. But obesity is a different story, that is unhealthy overwieght, that is taking on toll on them. I have met many people who desperately want to change their life and they need to. It is kinda hard when they look you in the eyes searching for answers because they know it is a big problem, then people usually sell them a pill or supplement. Sometimes they know it isnt going to help the emergency at hand, the need for radical action. But what they really need is love or passion, soul-purpose. Im not perfect, but i think knowing oneself and wisdom is essential for healing and embodiment. 

Edited April 21, 2015 by MooNiNite

[Songtsan]

hmmm....structured versus non-structured weight loss plans:

 

If you try to assert dominance over your daily routines regarding eating, this could be likened to structured meditations (i.e. meditating for 1/2 hr in morning and evening), versus a non-structured, more wu-wei style approach.

 

You can discuss the merits of both or focus more heavily on one method.

 

So if this is to be a spiritual book, then the underlying spiritual philosophy is important.

 

What is your major spiritual focus? This will heavily influence the book.

 

Notice how there are not a lot of extremely overweight animals in nature - usually nature's cycle supports optimal BMI in this regard during normal times...

 

it is our ability to use technology to make life easier which makes it easy for us to gain weight, and also our tendency to specialize.

 

In the past, humans used to have to be jacks of all trades, generally speaking. For one to rely on other specialists to do certain things like grow, cook food, make your furniture means that we often end up creating situations in which over-training occurs. Secretaries get carpal tunnel syndrome, warehouse slaves get bad backs from repetitive lifting all day long, and so forth.

 

You could discuss the importance of integrating a variety of movements and skills in life, how excessiveness leads to burn out.

 

If one were Daoist, you could perhaps discuss how overexpression of a function leads to  imbalance.

[MooNiNite]

hmmm....structured versus non-structured weight loss plans:

 

If you try to assert dominance over your daily routines regarding eating, this could be likened to structured meditations (i.e. meditating for 1/2 hr in morning and evening), versus a non-structured, more wu-wei style approach.

 

You can discuss the merits of both or focus more heavily on one method.

 

So if this is to be a spiritual book, then the underlying spiritual philosophy is important.

 

What is your major spiritual focus? This will heavily influence the book.

 

Notice how there are not a lot of extremely overweight animals in nature - usually nature's cycle supports optimal BMI in this regard during normal times...

 

it is our ability to use technology to make life easier which makes it easy for us to gain weight, and also our tendency to specialize.

 

In the past, humans used to have to be jacks of all trades, generally speaking. For one to rely on other specialists to do certain things like grow, cook food, make your furniture means that we often end up creating situations in which over-training occurs. Secretaries get carpal tunnel syndrome, warehouse slaves get bad backs from repetitive lifting all day long, and so forth.

 

You could discuss the importance of integrating a variety of movements and skills in life, how excessiveness leads to burn out.

 

If one were Daoist, you could perhaps discuss how overexpression of a function leads to  imbalance.

 

I think the idea in nature is eat to live, not live to eat.

 

you will see the opposite point of view in our society,

 

but if someone has something to live for, 

 

they automatically switch priority and change into the mode of "eat to live," because they are finding a deeper and more satisfying pleasure from their soul awareness. 

 

I believe in soul-purpose, finding one's true work that empowers the spiritual awareness. In our present day, one need only do it until they become productive.

[Songtsan]

Many dogs will eat until they gorge and stuff themselves....it is habit conditioning bred into the genes because in nature, especially among carnivores, its feast or famine.

 

As omnivores, humans have tendencies towards both feast or famine mentality and the grazing mentality....

 

If one function overexpresses, it can definitely lead to obesity.

 

How scientific do you plan on getting in the book?

 

Daoist practices definitely effect hormone cycles and upregulation/downregulation of hormone receptors in the brain....

 

To tie this into yin yang theory would be great and is something I am interested in. Daoism is a science based on observation of nature.

 

Science is this too, yet also more invasive in its empirical methodology. If this book is marketed towards westerners, who have been brought up in a heavily science-ified culture, creating the correlations between ancient and modern wisdoms is a good thing, because it will get them hooked into wanting more.

 

It apparent that anything based on East meets West can easily become a big seller nowadays

Edited April 21, 2015 by Songtsan