Daoism and Neoplatonism

[voidisyinyang]

What does any of this have to do with Daoism and Neoplatonism? Perhaps the mods should split your conversation on race and skin color into another thread.

 

In any case, patriarchal solar traditions and civilizations (such as the various Indo-European civilizations of history) are the best bruh.

 

Plato and Aristotle argued for a type of Natural Law based on eugenics and slavery of the non-whites - using the wrong music theory to enforce it.

 

This is also based on the caste system of the Brahmins as Professor Bruce Lincoln has pointed out.

 

Obviously you're being sarcastic - the white culture has spread around the planet as the monocultural farming system - Earth has about 20 years left of freshwater due to the monocultural wheat farming and intensive water use from cattle ranching - big concentrated herds, etc. - that is wiping out the planet's life support ecological balance.

 

Of course there is huge denial about this from all the racist mainstream corporate news that blames the victims of slavery, etc.

 

Like when I posted about chocolate farmers using child slavery and another poster said the farmers should be punished.

 

But that slave labor system was set up by white colonialism creating export monocultural farms - not the traditional polyculture of Africa.

 

So rather it's the fault of the whites - who should pay enough money to the farmers so they don't have to use slave labor.

 

Originally the slave labor was enforced by white colonialism.

 

Instead a typical racist taobums poster wants to blame the victims - why? Due to mass mind control.

 

Taoism is not in line with this white monocultural "Oneness"

[Kongming]

Plato and Aristotle argued for a type of Natural Law based on eugenics and slavery of the non-whites - using the wrong music theory to enforce it.

 

This is also based on the caste system of the Brahmins as Professor Bruce Lincoln has pointed out.

 

Obviously you're being sarcastic - the white culture has spread around the planet as the monocultural farming system - Earth has about 20 years left of freshwater due to the monocultural wheat farming and intensive water use from cattle ranching - big concentrated herds, etc. - that is wiping out the planet's life support ecological balance.

 

Of course there is huge denial about this from all the racist mainstream corporate news that blames the victims of slavery, etc.

 

Like when I posted about chocolate farmers using child slavery and another poster said the farmers should be punished.

 

But that slave labor system was set up by white colonialism creating export monocultural farms - not the traditional polyculture of Africa.

 

So rather it's the fault of the whites - who should pay enough money to the farmers so they don't have to use slave labor.

 

Originally the slave labor was enforced by white colonialism.

 

Instead a typical racist taobums poster wants to blame the victims - why? Due to mass mind control.

 

Taoism is not in line with this white monocultural "Oneness"

 

Yeah yeah, white people are uniquely evil and the cause of all the problems on this Earth...yawn. Such a tired meme at this point.

 

And I wasn't being sarcastic. I'd agree that modern civilization is destructive but not solar, patriarchal, or Indo-European civilizations of the ancient and medieval worlds (or other non-Indo-European civilizations of the same, like ancient Egypt, traditional China and Japan, etc.) In any case, certainly a discussion for a different thread and time.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Kongming

[voidisyinyang]

Yeah yeah, white people are uniquely evil and the cause of all the problems on this Earth...yawn. Such a tired meme at this point.

 

And I wasn't being sarcastic. I'd agree that modern civilization is destructive but not solar, patriarchal, or Indo-European civilizations of the ancient and medieval worlds (or other non-Indo-European civilizations of the same, like ancient Egypt, traditional China and Japan, etc.) In any case, certainly a discussion for a different thread and time.

 

What's so funny about your statement and I don't mean to be patronizing - is that human history - you are ignoring 90% of it - the Bushmen culture which is the basis for Taoism.

 

Platonic philosophy arises out of the "symbolic revolution" where by infinity was a contained materialism - as I have pointed out.

 

So that is all the same trend - it goes against the real spiritual training of humanity.

 

This is proven by archaeology.

 

 

The construction of a massive temple by a group of foragers is evidence that

organized religion could have come before the rise of agriculture and other

aspects of civilization. It suggests that the human impulse to gather for sacred

rituals arose as humans shifted from seeing themselves as part of the natural

world to seeking mastery over it. When foragers began settling down in villages,

they unavoidably created a divide between the human realm—a fixed huddle of

homes with hundreds of inhabitants—and the dangerous land beyond the

campfire, populated by lethal beasts.

 

Charles C Mann, “The Birth of Religion: We used to think that agriculture gave rise to cities and later to

writing, art and religion. Now the world's oldest temple suggests the urge to worship sparked civilization.”

National Geographic, June 2011.

 

 

Gary Rollefson. His chapter “Neolithic Devolution: Ecological Impact and Cultural

Compensation at 'Ain Ghazal Jordan” in the book Retrieving the Past (1996) provides crucial

insight into the origins of the early city-states of Western Asia. Rollefson states that from the

middle of the 9th millennium BCE and for about 1500 years there was early agriculture that had

relative little environmental impact. Slowly though the human population increased and this

combined with other factors to create a dramatic change, leading eventually to a population

implosion. First there was an increase in hunting on the wild animals, using more control factors

and pressure and finally leading to domestication of goats. “The introduction of goats, then,

represents an accelerating damage to the local environments of the permanent settlements in the

southern Levant...” Then the increased population was housed in lime plaster because it is more

impervious to water. Lime plaster, though, requires burning the limestone at a very high temperature, thereby requiring greater destruction of the local forests, which then led to further

wild animal collapse and finally water degradation and erosion. By the beginning of the sixth

millennium the local population had collapsed and was forced to rely on water springs and also

on seasonal vegetation in the steppes of higher elevation. This switch to herding the

domesticated goats did not support as high as population as the previous agriculture-based

communities. What is most fascinating is the special role the “wild” animals held for the people

in these early farming communities.

 

Gary O. Rollefson and Zeidan Kafafi, “'Ain Ghazal Excavation Reports,” University of Texas-Austin, 2010.

 

So the origins of white people from wheat-based farming in Western Asia is first with the religious "symbolic revolution" and then the rise of wheat farming to destroy the world - because of the first religious error.

 

Jacques Cauvin, “The Symbolic Foundations of the Neolithic Revolution in the Near East,” Life in Neolithic

Farming Communities, Fundamental Issues in Archaeology, 2002, Part IV, 235-252.

 

and so what did these early destroyers of ecology do?

 

They fled to Greece:

 

 

Recent archaeological evidence from the Aegean, for example, no longer supports a model of gradual in-place transition of ancestral Mesolithic cultures into Neolithic cultures (53–55). Instead, there appears to have been a sharp decline in Late Mesolithic population levels, combined with the sudden appearance of radically different Neolithic settlements in previously unoccupied locations. As on Cyprus, recent work in the Aegean argues for the arrival of maritime colonists who, at ca. 9,000 to 8,000 B.P., carried many components of the full Neolithic package (plant and animal domesticates, new lithic traditions, and, perhaps a bit later, pottery) (Fig. 2). Following a leapfrog pattern, these seafaring pioneers established farming communities that selectively focused on favorable environments in coastal Greece and on various Aegean Islands.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2575338/

 

and so the modern white male culture destroying the planet has its roots in that original attempt - religious attempt to "contain" infinity as the "symbolic revolution."

 

What happened?

 

 

the Europeans' displacement and replacement of the native peoples in the temperate zones was more a matter of biology than of military conquest. European organisms had certain decisive advantages over their New World and Australian counterparts. The spread of European disease, flora, and fauna went hand in hand with the growth of populations. Consequently, these imperialists became proprietors of the world s most important agricultural lands. Now in a new edition with a new preface, Crosby revisits his now-classic work and again evaluates the global historical importance of European ecological expansion.

 

Ecological Imperialism: The Biological Expansion of Europe, 900-1900

http://www.commodityhistories.org/resources/bibliography/ecological-imperialism-biological-expansion-europe-900-1900

 

So that Ecological Imperialism spread into Greece starting 6,000 BCE

[Apech]

Is anyone sufficiently versed in both traditions and their doctrines to speak on the compatibility or harmony possible between Neoplatonism (especially of Plotinus but also in general) and Daoism? How close to each other do both traditions seem to be? Do you think a Daoist would benefit from studying Plotinus and Neoplatonic material?

 

Is anyone aware of any articles or books which compares, contrasts, or speaks of the relation between Daoism and Neoplatonism?

 

Discussing Daoism in relation to the Western traditions most influenced or closely related to Neoplatonism, such as Hermeticism and Western alchemy, is also welcome.

 

I'm not well versed enough in either traditions to give you a complete answer but I think its an interesting question.

 

Neoplatonism is a kind of bridge between the ancient world and the classical and pre-classical thought which existed then and the modern world.  Proclus is perhaps (have to check this) the last pagan philosopher before the Judeo-Christians took total domination of Western culture.  - if you are interested it's worth reading Butler on this subject ... somewhere on this website https://henadology.wordpress.com/.

 

The ancient pagan worldview found expression in Hermeticism ... but this then became fused with Judeo-Christian mysticism, kabbalh and so on and is a bit of a mish-mash.

 

I think for any westerner it is important to understand all this even if you chose to focus on an eastern tradition (like Daoism).  Some of the conceptual views are so embedded in the western worldview that if you try to practice an eastern system without first understanding your own inheritance you can get very confused.  In fact I would say learning the differences makes comparison possible.

 

Sorry if this answer is a bit garbled I am typing quickly.

[voidisyinyang]

 

I already posted how the modern science revolution was based on Freemasonry - a pagan philosphy - that was spread by Benedictine Monks who go it from John Scotus Erigena, a 9th Century Neo-Platonic monk, who in turn got it from the Islamic Moors in Spain.

 

The dichotomy of "pagan" versus Christian is a false one as the above expose shows - Christ in Egypt.

 

Saint Augustine fully combined Platonic philosophy with Christianity - which really isn't difficult as the two are essentially Solar ritual priest cults.

 

The problem is that there was still some lunar influence - like Easter tied to the first Full Moon after the Spring Equinox - and so the calendar not taking into account the Leap Year caused Easter to move closer and closer to Christmas. haha.

 

So the monks use of science then enabled the Roman Empire to fix these things - or the Holy Roman Empire.

 

Sol Invictus as the Pagan Christ in charge.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.protevi.com%2Fjohn%2FSH%2FPDF%2FNeoplatonism.pdf&ei=rx9OVaexE9CqoQSI7YDYBg&usg=AFQjCNGdQZdxK2vlqWv0j8jLklvuEfXVBQ&sig2=y97LITdjPAvJvdnd3_r7QA&bvm=bv.92885102,d.cGU&cad=rja

 

pdf link of NeoPlatonism in Saint Augustine's philosophy.

 

Too bad that he didn't know how to control his lower body for celibacy training. haha.

 

 

 

[Apech]

I already posted how the modern science revolution was based on Freemasonry - a pagan philosphy - that was spread by Benedictine Monks who go it from John Scotus Erigena, a 9th Century Neo-Platonic monk, who in turn got it from the Islamic Moors in Spain.

 

The dichotomy of "pagan" versus Christian is a false one as the above expose shows - Christ in Egypt.

 

If you actually study Egyptian religion you will see there is practically no similarity between Horus and Christ.  I'm not saying there was no influence ... there definitely was especially the madonna and child imagery taken from Isis/child Horus but that's more or less as far as it goes.  Youtube videos like Zeitgheist and so on have been done to death and are so full of holes and factual incorrectness as to be a joke.  Sorry but your argument just doesn't stand up.

 

Freemasonry is a 17th century creation.  But it is true that the renaissance was sparked off by Arabic Scholars.

 

Saint Augustine fully combined Platonic philosophy with Christianity - which really isn't difficult as the two are essentially Solar ritual priest cults.

 

The problem is that there was still some lunar influence - like Easter tied to the first Full Moon after the Spring Equinox - and so the calendar not taking into account the Leap Year caused Easter to move closer and closer to Christmas. haha.

 

So the monks use of science then enabled the Roman Empire to fix these things - or the Holy Roman Empire.

 

Sol Invictus as the Pagan Christ in charge.

 

 

pdf link of NeoPlatonism in Saint Augustine's philosophy.

 

Too bad that he didn't know how to control his lower body for celibacy training. haha.

 

 

Christianity had no philosophy/ metaphysics so they essentially lifted the neoplatonic ideas and reverse engineered them to fit. 

[voidisyinyang]

If you actually study Egyptian religion you will see there is practically no similarity between Horus and Christ.  I'm not saying there was no influence ... there definitely was especially the madonna and child imagery taken from Isis/child Horus but that's more or less as far as it goes.  Youtube videos like Zeitgheist and so on have been done to death and are so full of holes and factual incorrectness as to be a joke.  Sorry but your argument just doesn't stand up.

 

Freemasonry is a 17th century creation.  But it is true that the renaissance was sparked off by Arabic Scholars.

 

 

 

Christianity had no philosophy/ metaphysics so they essentially lifted the neoplatonic ideas and reverse engineered them to fit. 

 

Actually you're the one just spewing fake internet memes.

 

That video I posted if you actually listen to it - is an overview of the most academic book ever written on Egyptian religion in comparison to Christianity. The author used thousands of texts, she read the original texts directly.

 

Zeitgeist was citing D.M. Murdock, a scholar I have corresponded with and she is the author of the Christ in Egypt book.

 

 

Freemasonry is based on sacred geometry of NeoPlatonic philosophy which was used to build the Gothic Cathedrals. That is documented in the Maze of Ingenuity by Professor Arnold Pacey. http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/maze-ingenuity  Whether they were called Templars or Freemasons is immaterial.

 

So Freemasonry as an official group may have been created in the 17th Century but it arose out of the NeoPlatonic monastery science movement as Professor David F. Noble documented in his book The Religion of Technology. The first modern science institutions were controlled by Freemasons but the philosophy they used goes back to Plato. That's why the Golden Ratio is the sacred math of the Freemasons.

 

To say Christianity didn't have metaphysics is hilarious. There were huge debates by the early bishops about essentially alchemy training - whether Jesus could be physically immortal, and what that means in relation to the Holy Spirit, etc. Transubstantiation. To say it's not a philosophy or metaphysics - maybe that's your personal choice but the whole Western Pagan movement is just a reaction against people who don't like Christianity - it's just a flip reversal of the same thing.

 

That's why the whole gay sex abuse scandal is huge in the Christian Church and then the Pagan Aleister Crowley scene is based on gay sex - same problem - they don't know the real philosophy and metaphysics to have real celibacy to transform the "golden elixir" into the Holy Spirit. That's why Gurdjieff would have nothing to do with Crowley and called him a big fake - which he was. Crowley didn't even know how to do O at a Ds yet Crowley is worshipped as some Western Pagan witch doctor. haha. Just as fake as the Christian priests!

 

This goes back to the debate of the Essenes regarding Lunar based rituals versus Solar based rituals.

 

The Solar ritual priests won out - since agriculture is based on the solar calendar.

 

Western philosophy-metaphysics is just a joke since really Western science is based on NeoPlatonic philosophy which is a materialism idealism and so Western philosophy-metaphysics whether it's Christian or Pagan really doesn't challenge this rotten root of Plato and Archytas.

[voidisyinyang]

The book is more extensive and encompassing than many dissertations I have read, containing over 900 sources and nearly 2,400 citations in several languages, including ancient Egyptian. The text abounds in long lost references many of them altogether new to English rendering, including de novo translations of difficult passages in handwritten German. This is the kind of thing that gives me, as a researcher, a migraine as soon as I see them coming in the distance!

 

and

 

 

Second, for Egyptian influence to have become integral to Israelite religion even from pre-biblical times is only natural given the fact that from 3000 BCE Egypt ruled Canaan. We are not talking about some far-fetched borrowing from an alien cultural sphere. The tale of Joseph and his brethren is already transparently a retelling of Osiris and Set. The New Testament Lazarus story is another (Mary and Martha playing Isis and Nephthys). And so is the story of Jesus (Mary Magdalene and the others as Isis and Nephthys). Jesus (in the “Johannine Thunderbolt” passage, Matthew 11:27//Luke 10:21) sounds like he’s quoting Akhenaten’s Hymn to the Sun. Jesus sacramentally offers bread as his body, wine as his blood, just as Osiris offered his blood in the form of beer, his flesh as bread. Judas is Set, who betrays him. Mourning women seek for his body. The anointing in Bethany (“Leave her alone! She has saved the ointment for my burial!”) is a misplaced continuation of the women bringing the spices to the tomb, where they would raise Jesus with the stuff, as Isis raised Osiris. In fact, Jesus “Christ” makes more sense as Jesus “the Resurrected One” than as “Jesus the Davidic Scion.” In the ritual reenactments, three days separate the death and the resurrection. Jesus appears on earth briefly, then retires to the afterworld to become the judge of the living and the dead—just as Osiris does.

Osiris is doubly resurrected as his son Horus, too, and he, too, is eventually raised from the dead by Isis. He is pictured as spanning the dome of heaven, his arms stretched out in a cruciform pattern. As such, he seems to represent the common Platonic astronomical symbol of the sun’s path crossing the earth’s ecliptic. Likewise, the Acts of John remembers that the real cross of Jesus is not some piece of wood, as fools think, but rather the celestial “Cross of Light.” Acharya S. ventures that “the creators of the Christ myth did not simply take an already formed story, scratch out the name Osiris or Horus, and replace it with Jesus” (p. 25). But I am pretty much ready to go the whole way and suggest that Jesus is simply Osiris going under a new name, Jesus,” Savior,” hitherto an epithet, but made into a name on Jewish soil. Are there allied mythemes (details, really) that look borrowed from the cults of Attis, Dionysus, etc.? Sure; remember we are talking about a heavily syncretistic context. Hadian remarked on how Jewish and Christian leaders in Egypt mixed their worship with that of Sarapis (=Osiris).

Third, Eusebius and others already pegged the Theraputae (Essene-like Jewish monks in Egypt) as early Christians, even Philo the Jewish Middle Platonist of Alexandria) as a Christian! Philo and various Egyptian Gnostic sects experimented with the philosophical demythologizing of myths such as the primordial Son of Man and the Logos. Philo equated the Son of Man, Firstborn of Creation, Word, heavenly High Priest, etc., and considered the Israelite patriarchs, allegorically, as virgin-born incarnations of the Logos. All, I repeat, all, New Testament Christological titles are found verbatim in Philo. Coincidence? Gnostic texts are filled with classical Egyptian eschatology. Christian magic spells identified Jesus with Horus. It seems hard to deny that even Christians as “late” as the New Testament writers were directly dependent upon Jewish thinkers in Egypt, just like the Gnostic Christian writers after them. And if the common Christian believer saw no difference between Jesus and Horus in Egypt (or between Jesus and Attis in the Naasene Hymn), why on earth should we think they were innovators?

 

I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock: “we assert that Christianity constitutes Gnosticism historicized and Judaized, likewise representing a synthesis of Egyptian, Jewish and Greek religion and mythology, among others [including Buddhism, via King Asoka’s missionaries] from around the ‘known world’” (p. 278). “Christianity is largely the product of Egyptian religion being Judaized and historicized’ (p. 482).

 

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm

[Apech]

Actually you're the one just spewing fake internet memes.

I don't deal in internet memes.

That video I posted if you actually listen to it - is an overview of the most academic book ever written on Egyptian religion in comparison to Christianity. The author used thousands of texts, she read the original texts directly.

 

Zeitgeist was citing D.M. Murdock, a scholar I have corresponded with and she is the author of the Christ in Egypt book.

"According to her website, Murdock received a Bachelor of Liberal Arts degree in Classics, Greek Civilization, from Franklin and Marshall College, after which she spent a year at the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, Greece.^{[12]" - from wikipedia ... so she has a degree ... big deal.}

 

 

Freemasonry is based on sacred geometry of NeoPlatonic philosophy which was used to build the Gothic Cathedrals. That is documented in the Maze of Ingenuity by Professor Arnold Pacey. http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/maze-ingenuity  Whether they were called Templars or Freemasons is immaterial.

 

So Freemasonry as an official group may have been created in the 17th Century but it arose out of the NeoPlatonic monastery science movement as Professor David F. Noble documented in his book The Religion of Technology. The first modern science institutions were controlled by Freemasons but the philosophy they used goes back to Plato. That's why the Golden Ratio is the sacred math of the Freemasons.

 

To say Christianity didn't have metaphysics is hilarious. There were huge debates by the early bishops about essentially alchemy training - whether Jesus could be physically immortal, and what that means in relation to the Holy Spirit, etc. Transubstantiation. To say it's not a philosophy or metaphysics - maybe that's your personal choice but the whole Western Pagan movement is just a reaction against people who don't like Christianity - it's just a flip reversal of the same thing.

Since you post youtube video here's one for you to watch:

 

 

That's why the whole gay sex abuse scandal is huge in the Christian Church and then the Pagan Aleister Crowley scene is based on gay sex - same problem - they don't know the real philosophy and metaphysics to have real celibacy to transform the "golden elixir" into the Holy Spirit. That's why Gurdjieff would have nothing to do with Crowley and called him a big fake - which he was. Crowley didn't even know how to do O at a Ds yet Crowley is worshipped as some Western Pagan witch doctor. haha. Just as fake as the Christian priests!

 

This goes back to the debate of the Essenes regarding Lunar based rituals versus Solar based rituals.

 

The Solar ritual priests won out - since agriculture is based on the solar calendar.

 

Western philosophy-metaphysics is just a joke since really Western science is based on NeoPlatonic philosophy which is a materialism idealism and so Western philosophy-metaphysics whether it's Christian or Pagan really doesn't challenge this rotten root of Plato and Archytas.

 

I don't think you can characterise Neoplatonism as materialism.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Apech

[voidisyinyang]

The issue is the evidence and not someone's pedigree.

 

I happen to have a Master's Degree from U of Minnesota - but I don't mention it since it's not relevant to the discussion - unless you want to consider my ability to research topics reflective of my years of academic study.

 

The degree and post-graduate research of D.M. Murdock is in the area of the study of her book Christ in Egypt - she did archaeological research of classical culture in the Mediterranean.

 

So yeah I didn't just post a video - I posted a review of her book as well.

 

I also posted an academic book detailing how Plotinus just repeated Plato's views.

 

I also posted details of how Plato's views are idealized materialism because his definition of the Unlimited, Apeiron, as the source of reality - is actually geometric magnitude as irrational number! That is also the cult of Freemasonry - that God is the Geometer.

 

So....you have ignored the evidence I posted. You want to rely on "memes" that are really mass-mind control instead of actual independent thinking based on evidence.

 

I'll post you some more research - not for you since you have not replied to the content of what I'm posting but for others reading this thread.

 

F.W. Schelling, with his “conspiracy of life,” was the contemporary colleague of Hegel and he
was the main critic of Hegelian dialectics which Schelling considered to be a continuation of Platonic materialism. Hegelian dialectics creates spiritual evolution of matter based on a techno-fetish, a process driven, ironically, by dualistic opposites of extreme idealism and extreme
materialism. The end paradoxical result is a materialist idealism philosophy that is the opposite
of true mysticism as realism. Here’s how Schelling described this Hegelian paradox of absolute
idealism as materialism:

 

 

Neither science nor sentiment will be satisfied with a God who is not, because He
is Being itself (er ist das Seyn selbst), who is not living, because He is Life itself,
who is not conscious because He is pure consciousness. They [materialists and
idealists] both demand a God who is there in a manner different from his essence
(Wesen), who is not just knowledge according to his essence but who expressly
and particularly knows, and whose operation is not contained in his essence but
rather in the deed, that is, in a manner different from his essence.

 

John Laughland, Schelling versus Hegel: from German idealism to Christian metaphysics (Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., 2007), pp. 100-1, citing F.W. Schelling, Die Weltalter (1811), I/8, 238.

 

The paradox of this Platonic idealism with a modern materialism can be found in the early
colonial period in America (becoming the U.S.). Tom Bethell, in his The Noblest Triumph:
Property and Prosperity Though the Ages (St. Martins Griffin, 1998), argues that since the
indigenous tribes called the Indians didn’t have private property they “will almost certainly be in
a state of conflict” while the English colonists were enjoying the “fruits” lacking in the native
tribes. “Their native American neighbors, lacking the institution [of private property], were
mortgaging ‘their whole countries’ to obtain these fruits.” (p. 36) The irony of this misrepresentation can not be overstated considering the colonists relied first on the genocidal
decimation of 90% of the Indians by English disease. The colonists later relied on attacking the
Indians, killing off the remaining 60% to 80% of the New England indigenous native population
by 1680. Yet Bethell emphasizes the colonists holding materialistic private property as sacred,
in contrast to the Platonic ideal realm of a socialist slave state.

 

Bethell titles the chapter “Plato’s Conceit: Property at Jamestown and Plymouth” in recognizing
Governor Bradford of the Plymouth Colony who compared early American communal land
ownership to Plato’s ideal state. Bethell notes that Governor Bradford relied on Jean Bodin’s
critique of Plato’s utopianism (The Six Books of the Commonwealth, 1576). “In Plato’s ideal
realm, private property would be abolished or curtailed, and most inhabitants reduced to slavery,
supervised by high-minded, ascetic guardians.” (p. 43)

Bethell is, in turn, critiquing George D. Langon’s book Pilgrim Colony (Yale University Press,
1966) which argued that it wasn’t communal land ownership but rather imperial taxes (or a
corporate investment) on the colonists which drove the property reform – a tax rate (or dividend)
of 50%. As per the paradox of this Hegelian dialectic we have a false dichotomy, just as the
secret society elites in the U.S. have funded both communism and fascism – the opposite
extremes of private property or corporate-state ownership. The deeper issue that must be addressed in this “strategy of tension” or conspiratorial “false flag” paradox is the
misrepresented, and now conveniently ignored, original indigenous nonwestern Indian culture,
relying on shamanic consciousness.

 

So Native American indigenous shamanism relied on the trance 1-4-5 music intervals which are also the basis of Taoism and both originate out of the Bushmen culture, 90% of human history which didn't have homosexuality fetish of male ejaculation as was the focus of Platonic philosophy and also the sex abuser priests of the Christian church and also the so-called Western Pagan esoteric cults - like Skull Bones has its initiation as a male ejaculation circle jerk with the center of attention confessing his deepest secrets.

 

No rather in shamanic American Indian culture - if the male cuts his hair short that means he is homosexual but the Western priests made all the males cut their hair short and also do plow-based farming which is raping of the land - and not the real horitculture, done by the females using their hands and not raping the land with plow-based monoculture by the males.

 

 

[vonkrankenhaus]

Re:

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"So that disproves your claim that living farther north creates darker skin in one generation."

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No it doesn't.

 

Those posts were not the result of any true research, but were really more like freeze-frames of ISQG running around looking for anything to hit someone on the head with.

 

The assumptions about grain eating causing a lack of dietary "vitamin D" that in turn caused white skin, are almost entirely incorrect, no matter who is making them.

 

Anyone can see dark skinned immigrants to northern areas exhibiting de-pigmentation after some years being in north. Just go in major northern city and watching people walking around - it is fairly common to see.

 

Providing dietary vitamin D supplementation does not produce darker skin, but increasing sun exposure definitely does.

 

The idea of plant pigments, like orange carrots, changing skin pigment - this is not same as skin "color", but is just the excess fat soluble plant pigments being discharged through the skin. Sometimes in people with bad circulation and metabolism, this can take a while.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[voidisyinyang]

Anyone can see dark skinned immigrants to northern areas exhibiting de-pigmentation after some years being in north. Just go in major northern city and watching people walking around - it is fairly common to see.

 

Dang that's hilarious!

 

I mean seriously - take that on the road.

 

The white skin bit  - it is two causes - one is albinism.

 

So you got blue eye Africans with dark skin - but their skin is lighter because blue eyes is actually the same gene that causes albinism - it's just a matter of how strongly the gene is activated.

 

The southern Swedes (Africans) were already light skin with blue eyes because of the low UV light - but the Saami farther northern still had darker skin since they got their Vitamin D3 from the fish diet.

 

The blue eyes in Spain also still had darker skin - because they were at a lower latitude.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth

 

 

The Mesolithic man, who lived in Spain around 7,000 years ago, had an unusual mix of blue eyes, black or brown hair, and dark skin, according to analyses of his genetic make-up.

 

and

 

When Lalueza-Fox looked at the genome, he found that rather than having light skin, the man had gene variants that tend to produce much darker skin. "This guy had to be darker than any modern European, but we don't know how dark," the scientist said.

Another surprise finding was that the man had blue eyes. That was unexpected, said Lalueza-Fox, because the mutation for blue eyes was thought to have arisen more recently than the mutations that cause lighter skin colour. The results suggest that blue eye colour came first in Europe, with the transition to lighter skin ongoing through Mesolithic times.

 

yeah so there's that African albinism deal - which is what Southern Swedes were before farmers migrated there - while the hunters in central and southern Europe were still dark skinned.

 

 

 

Light skin in Europeans stems from ONE 10,000-year-old ancestor who lived between India and the Middle East, claims study

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2535288/Light-skin-colour-Europeans-stems-ONE-ancestor-lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html

 

http://www.zmescience.com/science/archaeology/wheat-einkorn-britain-02032015/

 

according to this new DNA the hunters in ancient Briton where trading and importing wheat from southern Europe - 2,000 years before they actually started growing the wheat themselves.

 

 

European populations as a whole maintained the same genetic thread from their earliest establishment out of Africa until Middle Eastern populations arrived in the last 8,000 years, bringing with them agriculture and lighter skin colour.

 

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/11/2014/dna-from-36000-year-old-european-hunter-gatherer-shows-deep-shared-ancestry

 

Led by the Centre for GeoGenetics at the University of Copenhagen, the study was conducted by an international team of researchers from institutions including the University of Cambridge’s Departments of Archaeology and Anthropology, and Zoology, and is published in the journal Science.

 

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

Eskimos stopped along the way, but kept some of their dark skin colour because they ate Vitamin D-rich seafood. Their diet made completely white skin unnecessary for them to survive.

 

and

 

 

About 400,000 years ago the Neanderthals came to Asia and Europe and endured for more than 300,000 years. They were strong and had large brains, but they died out during the Last Ice Age.

 

Evidence of cranial deformation has been found, and this suggests Vitamin D deficiency. They ate little fish, which is unwise if one needs to protect oneself from cold and wind and one gets too little sunlight. Their light skin was perhaps not enough help. Our forefathers, the Cro Magnons, survived, possibly because they ate more fish.

 

A similar hypothesis has been suggested to explain why Erik the Red's descendants disappeared from Greenland during a cold spell, and this is partially supported by examinations of bones excavated at Herjolfsnes [Herjolf's Point] and by the fact that little fish was eaten. There is a high degree of uncertainty, however, and more research is necessary.

 

The agricultural revolution came from the Middle East about 11,000 years ago and brought with it a diet of grain and meat at the expense of fish, and, as a matter of fact, our Indo-European language. It is probable that our skin became lighter extra quickly so that we would get enough sun and Vitamin D, since we had a low intake of this through diet.

 

http://www.mn.uio.no/fysikk/english/research/news-and-events/news/2011/why-skin-colours-differ.html

 

Johan Moan is researcher at the Norwegian Radium Hospital and Professor of Physics at UiO. He does research on skin cancer, Vitamin D and health and photodynamic therapy.

 

Asta Juzeniene is Postdoctoral Fellow at the Norwegian Radium Hospital. She does research on folates, Vitamin D, skin colours and photodynamic treatment of cancer.

[vonkrankenhaus]

Re:

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"Dang that's hilarious!"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitiligo

 

Notice that "UV light" exposure is one of the primary treatments.

 

Note that most images of this show darker skinned people.

 

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"The agricultural revolution came from the Middle East about 11,000 years ago and brought with it a diet of grain and meat at the expense of fish, and, as a matter of fact, our Indo-European language. It is probable that our skin became lighter extra quickly so that we would get enough sun and Vitamin D, since we had a low intake of this through diet."

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Could be that the thousands of years of Ice Age before this had some effect.

 

The researchers and the quotes - these are incorrect, and it doesn't matter who is guessing or what their credentials are if they are just guessing.

 

Dietary sources only provide a tiny fraction of the "vitamin D" that is made in the body in response to sun exposure, even eating barrels of cod livers cannot come close to providing the amount made by the body in response to just an hour or two of full summer sunlight.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Silent Answers]

I don't understand how anyone of supposed intellect, can take such hard stances, and express such strong views on historical/mythological topics, solely based on other people's work; be it on youtube or the author of a book.

 

Read, listen and chose the info that fits your current beliefs....but this is not an area for argument and petty name calling, when the facts are mostly just somebody else's opinion.

 

I'm sure the OP was hoping for some pointers in the direction of incorporating these two schools of thought. Not a contest of who's "right".

[Apech]

and

 

 

 

http://www.mn.uio.no/fysikk/english/research/news-and-events/news/2011/why-skin-colours-differ.html

 

 

If you read that article carefully you will see the author is saying that skin colour is an evolutionary adaptation to sunlight levels.  In extremis where this is not enough, diet, eating fish, plays a part in boosting Vit. D levels.  They are not attributing skin colour to diet.  So it actually contradicts the point you are trying to make.

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[Apech]

I don't understand how anyone of supposed intellect, can take such hard stances, and express such strong views on historical/mythological topics, solely based on other people's work; be it on youtube or the author of a book.

 

Read, listen and chose the info that fits your current beliefs....but this is not an area for argument and petty name calling, when the facts are mostly just somebody else's opinion.

 

I'm sure the OP was hoping for some pointers in the direction of incorporating these two schools of thought. Not a contest of who's "right".

 

 

I, for one am interested in the OP topic, Daoism and Neoplatonism ... this thread has been dominated by one poster with particular views and gone well off topic into a debate on the origin and causes of variation in skin colour.  Please could the thread be split so the on topic discussion can continue. 

[vonkrankenhaus]

Re:

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"The dichotomy of "pagan" versus Christian is a false one,,,"

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This might be interesting:

 

http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Apech]

Re:

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"The dichotomy of "pagan" versus Christian is a false one,,,"

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This might be interesting:

 

http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

Thanks for that link - very interesting.

 

I don't think there is any doubt that Christianity as it grew assimilated much of what remained of the pagan tradition.  I mean this in the same way as that Churches are built on ancient pagan sacred sites, groves and so on ... as a way of cultural assimilation.  Clearly the mythic date of Christmas and a lot of the related storytelling comes to us in this same way.  I have an interesting book "Religion in Roman Egypt" by David Frankfurter who makes the point that when Christianity  took over the Egyptian temples they preserved the function, just replacing gods with Saints.  So if it was a place of healing or childbirth or divination then that cult centre function would not change, simply the attribution changed from say Thoth to Saint (?).

 

But the key difference between pagan thought and Judeo-Christian thought lies not in these kinds of outer trappings but in the difference between monotheism and polycentric polytheism (or henotheism).  The relationship to the divine changes completely as does any plurality of thought, openness to other ways and so on - replaced by mono thinking as if reality is no longer an energetic dynamic but becomes a single and totalitarian authority.  Obviously this is part of what made Christianity attractive to Constantine and evolved into a key tool of social control for empire builders.

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[voidisyinyang]

Monotheistic thinking is not a creation of Christianity at all.

 

Akhenaten introduced monotheism in Egypt about 1300 BCE

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten#Akhenaten_and_Judeo-Christian-Islamic_monotheism

 

Not just Egypt but also Brahmin and Zoroastrian culture had a big influence on Judaism - especially after the Jews were in Babylon.

 

The real issue here is the mathematics based on the Solar calendar for farming.

 

As I pointed out before - the Essenes used a lunar calendar for rituals but when the Romans took over Canaan they enforced a Solar calendar ritual schedule onto the Essenes.

 

So Christianity is really about the Solar calendar becoming dominant as wheat farming spread into Europe - as the dominant culture via the Romans.

 

 

 

The long-term impact of Christian use of a Solar calendar is that its festivals are associated more with the seasons when they occur than the events they signify. Also, the legacy of the association with Sol Invictus is that the birthday of Jesus(as) is celebrated on December 25th, which used to be the winter solstice 2000 years ago. It is important to note that Jesus(as) himself would not have recognised some of the innovations that later became part of Christianity, as he was a practising Jew. - See more at: http://reviewofreligions.org/2306/ancient-sun-worship/#sthash.TcyJgzal.dpuf

 

So we can see with God being defined as "I Am that I Am" under Judaism - this is the same definition of God as Brahman, "I Am that I Am" - it is a phonetic language symmetric axiom used for mathematical logic.

 

God is from the Indo-European word Gott meaning Bull just as Brahman also means Bull.  https://books.google.com/books?id=GuXf62VU2CoC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=gott+bull+indo-european&source=bl&ots=Cw7Rysu6Qg&sig=h8IaudYJUDyve8NM4Gbnbbl-PXI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=C69PVYuYJNHloAS16IFg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=gott%20bull%20indo-european&f=false

 

For Abraham to be against worshiping the Sun as God but rather an abstract monotheism based on logical inference - just as with the Brahmins worship of Brahman - has more to do with the mathematical logic for adopting the solar calendar.

 

The phonetic language system is adopted for the mathematics of uniting the solar and lunar calendar and this is what the Essenes were debating.

 

The Roman Empire put that debate in favor of the Sun - and so this is really the true origin of Christianity.

 

The mathematical logic was based on Platonic philosophy and so the Benedictine monks used this logic to reconcile the lunar and solar cycles - to set the ritual calendar for Easter based on the Gregorian calendar - not the Julian calendar.

 

That is when modern science began to arise - but it is still based on the same Golden Ratio mathematical logic from Plato and Archytas which is aligned with the Brahmin and Zoroastrian logic - that originally was a "divide and average" math that the Egyptians also used.

 

Whereas Taoism - in contrast to this "divide and average" ONENESS - Taoism is based on complementary opposites using non-commutative logic.

 

We can't understand non-commutative logic unless we break away from the phonetic language system using dualistic symmetric commutative math.

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=5JY-nnrsLK8C&pg=PT175&lpg=PT175&dq=god+bull++Ugaritic+indo-european&source=bl&ots=ZnD8sDDSXW&sig=O2pldfFOctRSU_uZn6Hy7kclfw8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SqhPVb24Bou3sAW62YGoAQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=god%20bull%20%20Ugaritic%20indo-european&f=false

 

And so Baal as a bull god is also connected to Egypt and Indian monotheism.

 

Baal and El were both from Indo-European languages - Hittite and Hurrian by the Ugarites.

 

We need to understand that the "Natural Law" eugenics of Platonic philosophy is based on left-brain dominance from phonetic language tied to a right-hand written text as technology. This is in contrast to just a verbal pre-literate culture using a tonal musical language that is more right-brain dominant and so harmonizes the lower body emotions.

 

Anti-semitism is literally from this left-brain symmetric logic of a materialist "contained" infinity - also found in the caste system of the Brahmins in India.

 

So for example when the Hapsburg Dynasty became dominant is spread German as a written language and then each of the countries of that area began to write down their languages - while at the same time began to see Judaism as a threat since it was based on its own "secret" language to preserve its religion. Before that the national identities in that part of Europe - were based on verbal musical cultures and so anti-semitism was not that fierce but after written language became the norm then anti-semitism became dominant.

 

The same was true for Spain when the Benedictine monks then adopted the NeoPlatonic philosophy of the Islamic Moors - then anti-semitism became dominant because the monks also adopted the eugenics Natural Law philosophy of Plato using irrational geometry as the "compromise" that citizens must make for the good of the state.

 

So then the infinity as God is actually defined by this axiomatic power set - a contained geometric materialistic infinity as irrational number or alogon. It's not real spirituality.

 

The original Christian monks practiced fasting and used more of a Pythagorean type mysticism like the Sufis do - or the Brahmin priests - but even this required physical separation from females for purification, etc.

 

So we can see the development of phonetic based language with monotheism as dominant - spreading out of Western ASia - as the music-based tonal language shamanism was in turn repressed.

 

 

In the academic article “An Ancient Name of the Lyre,” Professor Vyacheslav V. Ivanov
traces the early Indo-European word for the hand-held harp or lyre from the Hittites to Egypt,
stating: The spread of the term to the Southern part of the civilized world of the II mil.
B.C. is seen in Egyptian knrr, attested after the Amarna period. As shown by Leopold Vorreiter in his study on Riesenlyren des Altertums, all of the Egyptian
large lyres similar to the earlier Ancient Oriental ones are found in Amarna at the
time of Amenophis IV (Akhanayatin), i.e. 1350-1333 B.C. They may be
considered one of those numerous elements of the new monotheistic Sun cult that
can be connected with Near Eastern (probably Western Semitic-Canaanite and/or
Hurrian) influence.

 

Vyacheslav V. Ivanov, “An Ancient Name of the Lyre,” UCLA Program in Indo-European Studies,
Vol. 1, 1999.

 

And so the spread of the Lyre was part of the Indo-European culture and spread into Egypt along with monotheism and in turn was also the source for the Bull God Baal and El for the origins of Judaism and then later Christianity.

 

 

As Professor Vyacheslav V. Ivanov notes:

A separate existence of specific zones with predominantly musical functions in
the relictal nondominant hemisphere may be explained causally by the ancient
social role of music and singing as a most important method of preserving and
transmitting information. It seems that for many thousands of years the memory
of culture was mostly connected to songs accompanied by music. Only step by
step did the word and the verbal text as such establish their independence.

 

To truly understand Taoism then you have to understand how music theory is based on complementary opposites which is non-commutative while the "divide and average" logic was the Indo-European source for what then became the Greek Miracle of irrational geometric magnitude.

 

All human cultures use the 1-4-5 music intervals as natural resonance harmonics but for the West - starting with Plato - this had to be "compromised" for the good of the state - as mass mind control.

 

The origin of God for Judaism is actually the Shofar with is the Fibonacci number series as sound - from the ram's horn - a spiral. In the West this is converted to the geometric logic of the Freemasonic Golden Ratio - but in actuality the Fibonacci Number series is a male and female divide and average series that never ends. The only way to "convert" it to the Golden Ratio is to change the order around of infinity - to make the infinity start as a "negative infinity" which Aristotle was against - the negative infinity being the original idea of geometric irrational magnitude as a contained infinity - zero.

 

 

While Zizek, like Bateson, does not stray from the limit of the primordially repressed, he
does describe that limit as being magical pre-verbal sound. The primordially repressed are myths
that “have no 'original' in the language of intersubjective communication.'” He gives a very
significant example, at the very moment when the reign of (symbolic) Law was being instituted
(in what Moses was able to discern as the articulated Commandments), the crowd waiting below
Mount Sinai apprehended only the continuous, non-articulated sound of the shofar [a trumpet type horn]: the voice of the shofar is an irreducible supplement of the (written) Law. Zizek
defines the shofar as “a kind of 'vanishing mediator' between the mythical direct vocal
expression of the pre-symbolic life-substance and articulated speech...this strange sound...is
strictly analogous to the unconscious act of establishing the difference between the unconscious
vortex of drives and the field of Logos in Schelling."

 

Slavoj Zizek, The Indivisible Remainder : An Essay on Schelling and Related Matters (NY: Verso, 1996), p.
104.

 

 

Symmetric logarithmic gematria was from the
Greek Phoenician combination with Hebrew as Aramaic – which also signified the Levant (Sun-
Riser) as the misogynistic Essene (Jesus) cult over the earlier matrifocal lunar cultures.

 

"Nevertheless it seems that the Hebrew gematria known to us now (i.e., assigning
1-9, 10-90, 100-900 to the letters) came from the Greeks…. According to Diringer
(Story Aleph Beth 136), one of the distinctive differences between Early Hebrew
(which is very much like Phoenician) and Square Hebrew (which is influenced by
and perhaps derived from Aramaic) is the presence of final forms in the latter, so
this form of gematria cannot have been used before Square Hebrew.”

 

 

John Opsopaus, “Some Notes on the History of Isopsephia (Gematria),” The Biblioteca Arcana , 1995.

 

 

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[Apech]

Monotheistic thinking is not a creation of Christianity at all.

 

Akhenaten introduced monotheism in Egypt about 1300 BCE

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten#Akhenaten_and_Judeo-Christian-Islamic_monotheism

 

Not just Egypt but also Brahmin and Zoroastrian culture had a big influence on Judaism - especially after the Jews were in Babylon.

 

...

 

The Amarnan period was very short and immediately replaced by traditional Egyptian religion.  In any case Akhenaten was not a pure monotheist as the ureaus, thoth and other gods were also worshiped.  The common people continued with their usual practices throughout.  What you are quoting and what many quote is actually a reflection of Christian Egyptologist desperate to find a reflection fo their own beliefs in Ancient Egypt.

 

Brahmin or Vedic religion was polytheistic and henotheistic similar to Egypt.  Zoroastrianism is a dualism (Ahura Mazda and Ahriman).

 

You have obviously read a lot but your understanding is not complete.

 

Recommended reading :

 

http://www.equinoxpub.com/journals/index.php/POM/article/view/4686

Edited May 10, 2015 by Apech

[voidisyinyang]

There's philosophy which is just basically people whining about words.

 

Then there's mathematics based on philosophy.

 

Plato developed a mathematics based on philosophy - that's why his views are so influential.

 

Economist Michael Hudson understood this well.

 

It's not just a viewpoint of words - it's a mechanics of how to implement it.

 

O.K. so the issue with Plato is the combination of mathematics and philosophy but the secret of Plato is that it's based on music theory used incorrectly.

 

 

Professor Michael Hudson concurs: “The worst problem
in tuning occurs in the interval of three whole tones, e.g., between C and F#/Gb in the “natural”
untempered methods of tuning. If the ratio of the octave is 2:1, then the ratio of C to F# represents the
square root of two — an irrational number. (Burkert [1972:441] notes that the harmonic mean discovered in
the context of Pythagorean music theory has a major use precisely in approximating the square root.)”
Michael Hudson’s essay, “Music as an Analogy for Economic Order in Classical Antiquity” in Jürgen
Backhaus (ed.), Karl Bücher. Theory, History, Anthropology, Non-Market Economies (Marburg:Metropolis
Verlag, 2000): pp. 113-35 citing Burkert, Walter (1972), Lore and Science in Ancient Pythagoreanism
(Harvard University Press, 1972).

 

 

Having discarded music and gymnastics, Socrates proposes considering the
science of “number and calculation” (522C6-7)…. The link between the correct
use of mathematics and the capacity of this discipline to lead to an extrasensible
dimension recalls the link between the correct use of the science of harmony (of
music in general) and the potential of this art to establish a contact with the soul
and supersensible harmony.

 

Francesco Pelosi, Plato on Music, Soul and Body (Cambridge University Press, 2010), p. 118

 

So the NeoPlatonics - and Plato also - had already lost the actual shamanic training of Pythagorean philosophy - like Taoism - which is a practice of yoga as body-mind harmonization for the creation of yang qi energy.

 

The NeoPlatonics can talk all they want - but that's all it is - just words - it's just "debate" - they can say whatever they want! As Chuang Tzu points out -it's no different than the noises of animals - it has no more importance.

 

Similarly the Western "pagan" movement emphasizes the same "rituals" which are just words that supposedly have secret power - just as the Christian priests believed.

 

All of them - NeoPlatonics - Plato - Western Pagans - Christian Priests are based on a homosexual culture as Camille Paglia details in her tome Sexual Personae.

 

The men are not real men since they can't control their lower bodies - just as "saint" Augustine could not control his lower body - despite him being a NeoPlatonic.

 

But what did they do? They kissed up to the political elite - just like Aristotle did.

 

Plotinus served the ruling elite - and so yeah the ruling elite like to have their fancy mythologies about the Ennead or whatever stupid imagination stuff they make up.

 

Whereas the actual real training was gone by the time of Plato.

 

Yep - there can be numerous variations on this - but the language used to describe them is phonetic - left brain dominant and so dependent on right-hand technology to have any power.

 

It's not real shamanic training.

 

So like I said - economist Michael Hudson understands this.

 

 

Pythagoras became the patron saint of the most anti-democratic clubs. They used
the principles of musical harmony as a patina of pseudo-science to give
intellectual legitimacy to a movement whose worldly consequences were anything
but harmonious. The Pythagorean clubs became a network of civic cults rising
above the local sphere to which most clubs related. There seems to have been
some connection with the Delphi temple (the name Pythagoras means “voice of
Pythia,” the snake-goddess of Delphi and its oracle). They have been likened to
the Free Masons, in that they served as a kind of Council of Foreign Relations or
New World Order…. Archytas developed the musical scale into a political
metaphor for the scales of justice. What gave music this imagery of social balance
and just proportion was the ability of its mathematics of harmonic (“geometric”)
proportions to serve as an analogy for how inequities of wealth and status
rendered truly superior men equal in proportion to their virtue — which tended to
reflect their wealth. By this circular logic the wealthy were enabled to rationalize
their hereditary dominance over the rest of the population.

 

O.K. so another big draw of Platonic philosophy is its twisting of the Pythagorean term "Metis" - as I have already posted above.

 

This Big Lie philosophy is still used in current times.

 

Professor Bruce Lincoln documents that Plato lied about the meaning of metis, which, as Professor Steve Toulmin points out in his last book, The Return of Reason, actually means, “being finely skilled beyond expression in words.” Plato argued that metis meant “female cunning” and females lie with words and that metis was a necessary tool in politics! This evil
side of Plato is also discussed in detail by University of Cambridge Ph.D. Peter Kingsley and Professor Bruno Latour and its relevancy comes to light in regard to the recent expose of the Straussians running the U.S. Capitol! Leo Strauss taught adherence to a Platonic transcendent truth that hides behind public “white lies” thereby justifying corruption for the supposed greater good.

 

None of this is Taoism. Although I did point out the same corruption of Taoism in China just as Pythagorean philosophy was corrupted. So I could see how Westerners would get confused about Taoism the same way Westerners are confused by Platonic philosophy.

 

People are wasting their time looking for NeoPlatonic words as some sort of Taoist connection - it's not there.

 

Whether it's polycentric or whatever doesn't matter.

 

The Egyptians - after the Hittite cultural invasion - as I pointed out - used the Lyre for divide and average harmonics.

 

I posted these harmonics recently - so the mathematics of the harmonics of Egypt was a "divide and average" mathematics - just as with the Babylonians and the Brahmins.

 

In the early Egyptian harmonics - the number 2/3 was the only ratio that remained a hieroglyph - right brain dominant value.

 

And as I have pointed out 2/3 is the value of yang in Taoism. So yes earlier Egyptian alchemy which originated out of Ethiopia and from before that the trance dance training of the original human culture - the Bushmen - it did retain this tie.

 

But after Akhenaten and the Hittite influence then the mathematics of Egyptian harmonics is based on the same "divide and average" math of a symmetric geometric philosophy.

 

Based on a "divide and average" math - yes you can have lots of Gods - and Goddesses - but the point is that they are divided and averaged mathematically - symmetrically - and so the original resonance of complementary opposites is lost.

 

And so this system was converted to a decimal mathematics - a ten-based number system for the first gold coin money system used by the Greeks.

 

That was part of the Hebrew elite religious mathematics.

 

 

John Beauleiu, BioSonics, “The Body Tuners consist of two tuning forks, the C and the G, they create a ratio of
3/2. Body Tuners are a special interval known in music as a perfect fifth. Lao Tzu referred to this interval as the
sound of universal harmony between the forces of Yin and Yang. In India, the fifth is believed to create a sound
through which Shiva calls Shakti to the dance of life. Apollo, the Greek Sun God of Music and Healing plucked the
fifth on his Sacred lyre to call dolphin messengers to Delphi. These are some of the reasons it has been called
‘perfect.’.”

 

O.K. so we have 3/2 or 2/3 as the Yang music interval - the Perfect Fifth - but it was converted to a "divide and average" mathematics that became the secret basis for the Greek Miracle of Plato and Archytas - the geometric mean of irrational magnitude as a materialistic idealism.

 

Musicologist Ernest McClain calls this the Great Dragon Tuning System.

 

The ancient gods/goddess of West Asia were defined by music ratio harmonics!

 

 

Number of the Beast Wikipedia, “In the
Old Testament, both 1 Kings 10:14 and 2 Chronicles 9:13 state that Solomon collected ‘six hundred threescore and
six’ talents of gold each year. John's reference to ‘wisdom’ and ‘understanding’ might also point toward Proverbs 1
and 2, where understanding, discernment, wisdom and insight are explained and advised by King Solomon.”

 

So 666 for Gold is a reference to 2/3 being converted to this Greek ten-based number system.

 

http://americanvision.org/10369/calculating/

 

As I documented - Hebrew changed to a symmetric "divide and average" mathematics of gematria when Aramaic was introduced based on the Indo-European influence.

 

that is the real source of monotheistic philosophy - just as it was the Indo-European Hittite influence that brought monotheistic philosophy to Egypt via Akhenaten.

 

It doesn't matter what the popular beliefs of the people are - I'm talking about the mathematics of the philosophy being used.

 

and so for Plato - the ratio music harmonics as mathematics was applied as eugenics for the citizens.

 

 

The necessity of tempering pure intervals, defined by the ratio of integers, is one
of the great themes of Plato’s Republic. In his allegorical form, “citizens”
modeled on the tones of the scale must not demand “exactly what they are owed”
but must keep in mind “what is best for the city.”

 

Ernest McClain, The Myth of Invariance: The origins of the Gods, Mathematics and Music, from the
Rg Veda to Plato (Nicholas-Hays, 1976), p. 11.

 

And so that Great Dragon Tuning system for philosophy found from Egypt to India - was then tweaked by Plato and Archytas to create the Greek Miracle - it was turned into a formal symmetric algebraic geometry using geometric magnitude - the creation of the geometric mean.

 

What this enabled specifically was the doubling of the cube - precisely - for better catapult technology.

 

Whereas previously the divide and average mathematics was used to "square the circle" - for chariot wheel centering - and hence the secret of Freemasonry.

 

 

The Greeks achieved the geometric ability to tune an equal-tempered monochord
when Archytas, Plato's Pythagorean friend, solved the problem of doubling the
volume of the god's cubical altar at Delphi, the allegorical form of the problem of
establishing the third root of 2. Now the cube root of 2 establishes an equaltempered
major third within the monochord octave....From that beginning, the
equal-tempered whole tone is the geometric mean within the major third, and the
equal-tempered semitone is the geometric mean within the whole tone. Iterations
of this procedure will produce all twelve-tones in equal-temperament.

 

Ernest McClain.

 

Corroborated:

 

 

The rigidly arithmetical approach to canonical division seems all the more pointed
when we consider that several ancient authors who worked on mathematical
harmonics also offered solutions to the problem of how to double the cube, which
requires finding two means in continued proportion. This is a problem of
geometry, since like the irrational semitone, it involves incommensurable
magnitudes….

 

David Creese, The Monochord in Ancient Greek Harmonic Science (Cambridge University Press,
2010), p. 50.

 

Now I actually worked out the harmonic music mathematics of the compound equation. I sent it to math professor Luigi Borzacchini and he confirmed the math was correct but I had no historical evidence.

 

The point is that the circumstantial evidence is there and then Professor Borzacchini published a research paper making the same case.

 

So the use of the term Logos by Christians, Jews and Greeks - all point to this common "divide and average" harmonics secret behind their mathematical philosophy.

 

http://www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html

 

 

But by the time of Plato and therefore the NeoPlatonic philosophers following him - the actual techniques of the shamanic training based on trance music had been lost.

 

Now if you do want to find the connections Peter Kingsley has some pretty good research.

 

I did find one book discussing some of the yoga training of the ancient Greeks - like how they knew about kundalini - but I couldn't find that book again.

 

 

If you are interested in numbers, you may like to know that the square of 6 (6x6) is 36, and the triangular of 36 is 666. Triangulation is a method of computation that was popular in the ancient world and was very familiar to people in the first century.

 

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/gemetria%20and%20the%20number%20of%20the%20beast%20666.htm

 

So this "triangulation" geometry of number was picked up by the Christians from the Greek/Hebrew gematria and then it was developed by NeoPlatonic philosophy.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=GO-1e9xZksYC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

So here you have the academic book "Plotinus on Number" confirming just repeating Platonic philosophy - again this was picked up by John Scotus Erigena in the 9th Century and then spread around Europe by Ficino.

[Apech]

'Philosophy is people whining about words' ... ok I think that's enough for me of this pointless conversation.

[voidisyinyang]

the capacity for math to exist separate from Plato - as set theory, etc. - is just as words and the structure of the words are phonetic, symmetric logic.

 

You can have non-commutative geometry but it still has to be converted back into commutative math when it is used with technology.

 

We are taught math as "pure" science but it is inherently applied when based on irrational magnitude.

 

So for example quantum physics - empirically disproves irrational magnitude - but that is just as a mathematical potential infinite - it is non-commutative - but it still has to be converted back to symmetric logic when applied to technology, thereby adhering to linear causality of logarithmic-based relativity.

 

So theoretical mathematics can say whatever it wants - just like symbolic philosophy - but when it is applied to technology for actual scientific measurements then it adheres inherently to a paradox of the infinite.

 

This was the focus of Professor Mazur's book "The Motion Paradox" which I reviewed for Amazon. The whole book is about this inherent dichotomy between pure math and actual technological measurements.

 

So this is analyzed in history of science - for example - o.k. as the Motion Paradox title reveals mainstream science assumes that Zeno's paradox was solved by calculus but the mathematicians know this is not true. haha.

 

This is not just some technical snafu - that can be overlooked - instead it exposes a deep "bait and switch" tactic to science.

 

So historian of science professor Harry Collins - studying relativity experiments - has revealed this scam.

 

He calls it the "experimenter's regress" - and this is what Einstein did as well - you make a model, an experimental model and then you find the math to fit the model. Presto - it is a higher logarithmic dimension.

 

 

For Collins,
scientific controversies cannot be closed by the ‘facts’ themselves because there are no formal
criteria independent of the outcome of the experiment that scientists can apply to decide
whether an experimental apparatus works properly or not.

 

and so the math that you refer to as supposedly be free from the philosophy of Plato  - it's not true - the same basic paradox is still there.

 

 

...there were no formal criteria independent of the outcome of the experiment that
scientists could apply to decide whether the experimental apparatus was working
properly or not. In the face of an unknown phenomenon scientists cannot be sure
they have a ‘good’ instrument. In Collins’ words: ‘we won’t know if we have built
a good detector until we have tried it and obtained the correct outcome. But we
don’t know what the correct outcome is until . . . and so on ad infinitum’ (Collins,
1992, p. 84). This is what Collins calls the experimenters’ regress.

 

and

 

 

‘high theoretical
arguments’ can be the thing that closes a controversy he adds (as if only to make
philosophers nervous) that it can also be closed by ‘dirty tricks’, thus giving the
impression that both arguments are equally possible or credible (Collins, 1994, p. 502)

 

So that paper I'm citing claims that Collins' arguments are no big deal because they are the same arguments raised by Montaigne citing Sextus - the skeptic of ancient times attacking the Greek Platonists - but that Montaigne was then attacked by Descartes and Pascal arguing that either mathematical induction or deduction provide a structural escape from the skeptic's infinite regress epistemological paradox.

 

Now notice what is missing from all of this.

 

The secret that I have focused on - that Plato's mathematics is based on the wrong music theory.

 

You say that symbolic math can recreate this music theory - but in actuality the nonwestern music theory is empirically more precise that the time-frequency uncertainty relation of quantum physics. The nonwestern music theory is rediscovered by Fourier Uncertainty - but again that Fourier Uncertainty has to be converted back into commutative math when technology is used to actually apply the math. If it is just symbolic math then it is simple words - and the words themselves - or symbols of logic - still rely on symmetric reasoning inherent to phonetic-based language.

 

That is in contrast to tonal musical languages - which is not the language used by symbolic math logic.

 

Luigi Borzacchini, as a mathematician, understands this crucial distinction:

 

 

European Mathematics did not stem as a by-effect of purely
technical geometrical enquiries, but as the result of a socially and politically
crucial musical problem.

 

Luigi Borzacchini and Domenico Minunni (Dept. of Mathematics, University of Bari, Italy) A
MATHEMATICA NOTEBOOK ABOUT ANCIENT GREEK MUSIC AND MATHEMATICS

 

and so what of these modern set theory models? They still don't escape the basic paradox from Plato:

 

 

(iii) after Dedekind, Cantor, Hilbert, Zermelo, Goedel, Cohen we know that the
Aristotelean and Euclidean continuum admits numerable models, that we can not
give to its modern versions a first order categorical axiomatization, that the
geometrical continuum can not be proved coincident with the numerical one, that
it can not be empirically verified, that the place of the numerical continuum in the
transfinite hierarchy is one of the greatest so far open questions, that it is linked to
the most disputed axiom of set theory, etc.

 

Luigi Borzacchini, “Music and Incommensurability,” Historia-Matematica, August 18, 1999

 

So for example Alaine Connes non-commutative geometry - he argues that the future reality will be like a musician having to hold multiple voices or instruments in their head at the same time - i.e. orchestration. I have practiced orchestration - transposing different clefs at the same time in real time - and so this is how Connes envisions how reality will be on a day to day basis for everyone.

 

But Connes is assuming to apply his non-commutative geometry using macroquantum computing technology. Even with that assumption - he then uses logarithmic music for his vision of the reality. haha.

 

Hilarious.

 

 

The book Triangle of Thoughts (2000) by top French quantum chaos mathematicians
Alain Connes, Andrew Lichnerowicz and Marcel Paul Schutzenberger (M.P.S.) ends with a
promotion of music theory as the secret key to solving humanity’s problems. The argument by
Alain Connes is that music transmitted aurally is currently in the same stage as when people read
out loud — as they did until the 12th Century A.D. Connes states people could, as conductor
Solti did, read music scores and hear multiple texts in their head “that is inscribed in a time that
would no longer be sequential, because a score is a multitude of chords, a tangle projected onto
physical time of course, but that manifestly evolves in an higher dimensional space, giving rise
to a variability much more pertinent to the description of individual time.”406

 

and he continues:

 

 

And it could be formalized by music….I think we might succeed in this way to
educate the human mind to deal with polyphonic situations in which several
voices coexist, in which several states coexist, whereas our ordinary logic allows
room for only one. Finally, we come back to the problem of adaptation, which has
to be resolved in order for us to understand quantum correlation and interrelation
which we discussed earlier, and which are fundamentally schizoid in nature. It is
clear that logic will evolve in parallel with the development of quantum
computers, just as it evolved with computer science. That will no doubt enable us
to cross new borders and to better integrate the mathematical formalism of the
quantum world into our metaphysical system.

 

And so you have the non-commutative geometry being converted to commutative music via macro-quantum perceptions induced by quantum computers. In other words the basic commutative logic is not challenged at all.

 

Structurally this is known as quantum chaos - it is the conversion of infinite potential into chaos math which is a logistics symmetric classical physics.

 

 

Veronique Greenwood, “The Question of Quantum Chaos: What We Know”, SEED magazine,
December 14, 2009 “Chaos is everywhere in the natural world, present in the coiling of smoke rings, the
fronds of ferns, and the beating of our hearts. But at the level of quantum physics, chaos as we now define
it is unquantifiable.”

 

and finally my review of Mazur's Motion Paradox book:

 

 

Professor Mazur does an expert job of giving the behind-the-scenes wrangling of conceptual philosophy which gave rise to applied science. What is the difference between time and motion exactly? If that question seems too abstract, this book proves the opposite.

Most college graduates assume that Zeno's paradoxes of motion were solved by calculus with its continuous functions. Mazur puts the calculus at the heart of the book, from Descartes and Cavalieri to Galileo, Newton and last but not least Mazur's favorite: Gabrielle-Emilie de Breteuil.

In fact, upon investigation, one finds many top scientists still studying and learning from the anomalies in infinite measurement. Regarding relativity Mazur states the wonder of absolute motion is that it "conspires with our measuring instruments to prevent any possibility of detection."

As Mazur points out "we don't measure with infinitesmial instruments" and so the perceptual illusion of time continuity remains despite the reliance of science on discrete symbols. With attempts at a unification of quantum mechanics and relativity Zeno's paradoxes reemerge with full-force in the "Calabi-Yau manifold." Mazur writes that the original concept of dimension still holds but now means measuring more by abstract reason than by sight.

Although each scientist featured by Mazur appears to have increasingly solved the paradox of motion in the end I think Zeno will be avenged and science will return to right back where it started. There seems to be a deadlocked struggle between discreteness (particle) and continuity (wave) in science and Mazur argues that indeed Nature "makes jumps" despite seeming continuous. But Mazur admits we are left with "splitting operations that can take place only in the mind."

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2QHQ5N06GRFZY/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0525949925#R2QHQ5N06GRFZY

 

And so was Mazur disproved? I think so - quantum infinite potential is the new foundation of both math and physics - in other words the foundation of reality is continuous - not based on the discrete symbols of mathematics.

 

nevertheless - the "splitting operations" in the mind bit is very true - because due to the inherent complementary opposites of reality - infinity is only an eternal listening process of time-frequency creating energy internally - and guiding that energy for harmonization.

 

So even Aurobindo realized that this paradox was like the quantum measurement problem.

 

Consciousness as awareness is not the same as formless awareness as the Emptiness.

 

Or in Taoist terms - it is the shen going into the qi - or the Yi leads the Qi - and Qi follows the Yi.

 

That is a never ending process inherently due to the complementary opposites of reality.

 

But to measure it with technology requires a look back at the Emptiness - the insertion of a machine to implement the mathematics means that symbolic math can never be the same as actual meditation.

 

Meditation is based on logical inference - but even the concept of logical inference assumes a symmetric logic as was the basis for Brahmin philosophy - that's what caused the whole problem with Brahmins.

 

 

http://www.tudelft.nl/en/current/latest-news/article/detail/beam-me-up-data/

 

‘Entanglement is arguably the strangest and most intriguing consequence of the laws of quantum mechanics,’ argues the head of the research project, Prof. Ronald Hanson. ‘When two particles become entangled, their identities merge: their collective state is precisely determined but the individual identity of each of the particles has disappeared. The entangled particles behave as one, even when separated by a large distance. The distance in our tests was three metres, but in theory the particles could be on either side of the universe. Einstein didn't believe in this prediction and called it ‘spooky action at a distance’. Numerous experiments, on the other hand, agree with the existence of entanglement.

 

O.K. so quantum teleportation of information is now a reality - and so it disproves the discrete foundation of reality as is assumed by symbolic math - but the thing is again - it can only be implemented after the fact of the technology creating it and the technology itself is still based on commutative math.

 

Whereas with Taoist shamanic training the "macroquantum" reality you create inherently unifies the qi energy with the information (shen) energy and also the physical jing energy - and so you get not only teleporting of information but also telekinesis and even precognition - traveling into the future.

 

On the one hand it's true that a previous connection needs to be made by conscious awareness - knowing someone's name, age, sex, location is helpful to focus the energy - but not totally necessary. If someone is just thinking of someone else then an energy master can focus on what the other person is focusing on - without any need for discrete symbols to be exchanged - it's all just light energy seamlessly resonating together.

 

In other words - what symbolic math does not allow is that the  Emptiness is in control and it is the Emptiness that creates the energy and the harmonious healing, etc. - not the mind of the person doing it. But what is the Emptiness? This infinite process of complementary opposite resonance itself as the Tai Chi symbol or the three gunas, etc.

 

Quantum physics calls it time-frequency uncertainty but again it has to be converted back to symmetric math and applied to technology in order to be actually used - otherwise it's just...

 

whining about words.

 

As I pointed out 15 years ago - the tantric trajectory of technology is the Actual Matrix Plan based on this continued structure of Platonic mathematics.

[voidisyinyang]

yeah we had this conversation before - hearing and sight - but logical inference as a philosophical practice is based on emptying out all perceptions - through a kind of trance concentration of the mind. Ramana Maharshi says that the mind is used to kill the mind - which is really another way of saying "turning light around" - since Ramana Maharshi is talking about the light of the mind. So he says that of the three gunas - it is the jnana sattva state of light that then goes into the Emptiness.

 

In Taoism I understand this as yin jing to yang jing (yin qi) to yang qi (yin shen) to yang shen (yin jing).

 

So the yin shen - the light of the mind - when focused or concentrated like a laser with self-aware resonance - then actually transforms matter and does so through a spacetime vortex. So the Emptiness is actually this eternal process of energy creation through complementary opposites.

 

Math as a practice is not logical inference - but rather logical induction or logical deduction - and so math as a practice does not rely on listening as a practice since listening is pure logical inference.

 

Instead the practice of math as the study of patterns through symbols is inherently tied to the technology used to measure the mathematics - and so math is a left-brain dominant activity dependent on right-hand dominance.

 

The irony of this is we are taught that symmetry is beauty and symmetry is truth and so beauty is truth - this is the whole focus of Ian Stewart's book Why Beauty is Truth: A History of Symmetry which covers advanced math as well. This approach covers up the inherent asymmetry of math in the larger realm of left-brain and right hand dominance and so that is how math plays out the real world. In this way math really is a "religion of technology" as Professor David F. Noble exposed in his book of that title - based on Platonic philosophy.

 

Luigi Borzacchini has written a couple books, the first one, 2005, called Plato's Computer,  that covers this history of Western math - I haven't read them - but he gives an overview of the books and he understands this inherent connection of math as the study of symbols and its tie to right-hand dominant technology.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Finfolet.it%2Ffiles%2F2014%2F12%2Fsummaries-borzacchini-2014.pdf&ei=02lRVf7qA8raoASjzIGwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFlqHJQr2pWwQTAo_5giD3d79ZioA&sig2=ntNn5DhSWbiiDUZNOf4NKw&bvm=bv.92885102,d.cGU&cad=rja

 

pdf link.

 

So - in contrast with Taoism you have right-brain dominance that resonance with ecology which is left-hand dominant carbon-based molecules.

 

So science discovers these asymmetries - but the process of math is to convert those asymmetries into symmetric-based technology - so crystals for example are symmetry for technological uses - the purification of crystals.

 

But in ecology it is known that originally crystals were asymmetrical and therefore key to the evolution of life on earth - mainly through clay asymmetries. And so as science expands - with logarithmic symmetric math - it inherently destroys ecology - inherent to the mathematics itself! So we are taught the Golden Ratio is inherent to Nature - but the mathematicians know this is not true! The Golden Ratio is an idealized Platonic irrational magnitude whereas a fractal in Nature is not inherently infinite - as an idealized materialism like the Golden Ratio.

 

There is no pure mathematics.

 

So for example Alain Connes says that music is currently taught aurally - and so this constrains the music to one voice at a time - whereas with learning orchestration then you can have multiple voices at the same time - in different clefs that need to be transposed. He says that this ability of music could actually become the formal language of learning how to deal with quantum computing perceptions.

 

The problem with this is Connes is deriding the real truth of music - which is listening. He has converted music to a visual realm - and in the West people don't even realize this about music! People in the West learn music as a visual experience - and so if they are taught aurally this is considered to be not sophisticated enough.

 

But in actuality it is only "learning by ear" that enables a musician to hear properly the feeling of the music - and to get inside the music as it were. The best musicians play "by ear" because that is how the music comes alive - even the greatest composers who wrote music relied on first playing by ear as improvision - so Bach and Mozart were great improvisers.

 

But the thing is that Western music constrains the level of improvision to the Western logarithmic-based tuning where sound is defined as a visual measurement - time is literally measured as a spatial distance - a wavelength.

 

Wavelength is the realm of amplitude but time-frequency uncertainty is before there is even conversion to wavelength as momentum energy - so in quantum physics the wavelength is based on a symmetric measurement.

 

So Connes is converting any noncommutative math back to a symmetric measurement if he wants to use visual-based music as the formal language for quantum computing. haha. He puts down "aural" training in music - but he doesn't realize that in fact the simplest music is the most powerful!

 

So there really isn't a mathematics of the 1-4-5 music intervals. people ask me this all the time since they want some kind of magic scale or magic frequency.

 

I have provided examples - as the book Sounding the Depths traces the spread of Bushmen music around the world.

 

But the music remains very "simple" according to Western ears - I suppose repetitive and primitive.

 

Most people listen to it and go "thanks" (and think - oh how quaint).

 

The fact is this music is the secret of creating a total energy immersion experience as alchemy training - the sound transforms into all types of energy - light and heat and even a spacetime vortex, etc.

 

But as Westerners we are trained to think of sound again as a visual measurement - and so we confine sound into being defined by needing something physical to vibrate - the whole time not realizing that we listen to sound. haha.

 

It's pretty hilarious when you think about it - but if listening is taken very seriously - then the sound listens to us.

 

Bradford Keeney makes this same point in his recent interview about the Bushmen culture.

 

http://t.co/CuaoGhZmdB

 

So the focus should be on 90% of human history - instead we are stuck on going the wrong way. haha. Hilarious!

 

Real Taoism focuses on the first 90% of human history - not on what came after Plato or even the "symbolic revolution" of 9,000 BCE or so - which brought about the monocultural wheat farming focus of Western Asia, spreading into Europe as the white skin malnutrition problem. haha.