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[blue eyed snake]

Thanks!

 

Dry composting toilet.  I have seen a few and there are a lot of them pictured and designs shown  on-line. I have seen a few with big problems so I tried to eliminate all that and the expense. I already had an outhouse so I  set it up in that.

 

I've read about them ( some years ago), and some are just begging for problems, just by the design.

 

I have these wooden boxes with tight fitting lids, big enough to sit on, so I cut a hole in the top of one ( the size midway between the inner and outer size of the toilet seat) the seat is attached to the top of the box. Inside the box is a 20 litre plastic HD bucket, A plastic strip runs around the inside of the hole in the wooden box top, under the seat and goes down into the bucket (to prevent any spillage).  I use  sugar cane mulch as the dry agent ( any dried similar , many use sawdust ) . But some in the bottom of the bucket and on top after usage.

 

sounds ok, i suppose sawdust would work and is available here, I might add a little ready normal compost too, sawdust has its setbacks in a heap.

 

Before it gets too full I lift up the wooden box top that the seat is attached to and remove the bucket and empty it into the 'composter'.  Most designs sit you over the composter in the building; expensive, large, cumbersome and eventually it will be needed to be emptied, I have done that once before at a friends place - no thanks.  (I also have a friend that has one over a big plastic barrel, now its full, it is too heavy to move and the idiot the built the outhouse built it around the barrel   ).

 

idjut indeed

 

For the actual composting part ( separating them into two components really cut back on issues, expense, tech ... it just means that about once a week you have to manually empty, but that is pretty easy.

 

well, that's the getting water and hewing of wood part isn't it.

 

The composter is a  large size plastic olive barrel ( I can get them locally pretty cheap,  )

 

no olives here, but i've some other cheap plastic barrel in mind. I deem size here important, can you give the approximate size of your olivebarrel?

 

After mucking around a bit I found this is the best minimal set up;  holes in the bottom for drainage,

 

makes sense, i think i would go for some 1 inch holes, evenly spread

 

two holes near the bottom that fit a length of plastic drainage pipe

 

diameter of drainage pipe?? something like 3 inch?

diameter of holes, 1/2 an inch?

 

with air holes drilled all along it. This sits across the bottom and through the holes for support, its sealed in and the ends are capped with fly wire..

 

my command of language falls short here, what is flywire? I suppose something like a mesh that keeps flies from getting through the pipe?

 

 Another one towards the top to let air out; one end with a sealed cap, the other end with an elbow and an upright going up a couple of metres  

 

couple of meters is pretty vague, against the stink i suppose 

hmm, i'm gonna have neighbors...

 

with fly cap and rain protection. Then the barrel lid screws on to the top.

 

So about once a week I empty the bucket into that and screw the lid back on the barrel, I have 3 of them, 1 is full, 1 half full and one empty. I started about 2 years ago , I am assuming by the time the 3rd is filling the 1st will be able to be emptied. After about a year, it looks and smells just like fresh dug earth (although some rare toxins can last 3 years (like tetanus ), so it  not used on food crops ( maybe fruit trees ? ? ?  , but I would go through a  plant cycle first, i.e. fertilise a crop with it, say nettle and comfrey and then harvest and use that in compost.

 

yep, that makes sense, well, of course, first I've to get well..... I really thought I had it almost licked and would be raring to go this spring...but now I'm very slowly recovering from a pneumonia....and feeling i was getting somewhere, now I have a god#*#*#*# d otitis..... i'm getting really fed up with it by now...

 

About compost, what kind of temperatures do you have, and put the barrels in sun or shadow? For long years I've made heaps of a combination of cow manure and plantrests. Worked really well and the heaps became quite warm, very nice results. My neighbor tried the same with horsemanure, well, we experimented together on his horsemanure. he liked the way  I did my heaps, i was interested in how to do it with horsemanure. Horsemanure becomes easily very hot so I wonder what will happen with 'toiletries'

 

But I will get well, and then when I'm well for long enough that I trust my body again I'll put up my house for sale ( and hopefully sell it quickly, money-reserve begins to run low) and then I'll find a beautiful little house with a big garden

 

And around that garden there will be small trees and flowery shrubs, that I deem is the right place to spread this selfmade compost.

( this woman cannot live on foodgarden alone either, and she misses the big garden she had for years, but had to give up after she divorced, and she misses the veggies, and the big bunches of flowers she could pick for the living room, and the berries, the strawberries, the...oh well, i miss it!)

 

poppies too by the way, the usual red ones, and yellow ones and a rare purple one

 

 

All up I would say it cost under $200. 

 

yep, I thought you'd construct something that doesn't  cost tons of money.

 

....

 

And just about any woman (or even a man) can make one   

 

 

ah no...I cannot construct that all by myself, i'm too womanish for that...

need to catch me a new husband   

[Nungali]

Thanks!

 

 

I've read about them ( some years ago), and some are just begging for problems, just by the design.

 

yes, some are 'hazard fraught'  ( and for that you will need 'hazard fraught' tools     https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hazard+fraught+tools&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Rr9TVdXVC4GxmAW5xIAI&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=577#imgrc=_  )

 

sounds ok, i suppose sawdust would work and is available here, I might add a little ready normal compost too, sawdust has its setbacks in a heap.

 

it must be from dry, not green wood ( eg. a saw mill may produce 'green' saw dust ) , adding normal compost will speed up the process.

 

idjut indeed

 

 

well, that's the getting water and hewing of wood part isn't it.

 

 

no olives here, but i've some other cheap plastic barrel in mind. I deem size here important, can you give the approximate size of your olivebarrel?

 

200 lt I think - they are about chest height  , so thats a good height to work with.  (We get them because  bulk importers bring them in that way into the country and then repack them in smaller lots - there is probably some other produce or import near you that uses something similar ?

makes sense, i think i would go for some 1 inch holes, evenly spread

 

 

diameter of drainage pipe?? something like 3 inch?

 

Yeah.

 

diameter of holes, 1/2 an inch?

 

That should do it.

my command of language falls short here, what is flywire? I suppose something like a mesh that keeps flies from getting through the pipe?

 

yes

couple of meters is pretty vague, against the stink i suppose 

hmm, i'm gonna have neighbors...

 

I only notice a wiff of it on hot  very days when it really starts 'cooking' .

 

 

yep, that makes sense, well, of course, first I've to get well..... I really thought I had it almost licked and would be raring to go this spring...but now I'm very slowly recovering from a pneumonia....and feeling i was getting somewhere, now I have a god#*#*#*# d otitis..... i'm getting really fed up with it by now...

 

Well, thats enough to get the full mileage from that experience then, time to turn around and move towards health      

 

About compost, what kind of temperatures do you have, and put the barrels in sun or shadow? For long years I've made heaps of a combination of cow manure and plantrests. Worked really well and the heaps became quite warm, very nice results. My neighbor tried the same with horsemanure, well, we experimented together on his horsemanure. he liked the way  I did my heaps, i was interested in how to do it with horsemanure. Horsemanure becomes easily very hot so I wonder what will happen with 'toiletries'

 

They are pretty much in the shade, mostly it is a cold composting method, and slow, thats why I have three barrels .   I find I need to be more organised, put all the ingredients in , pretty much at once and make a pile at least one cubic metre  to make a hot composting process. 

 

 

But I will get well, and then when I'm well for long enough that I trust my body again I'll put up my house for sale ( and hopefully sell it quickly, money-reserve begins to run low) and then I'll find a beautiful little house with a big garden

 

Great!  Good luck !

 

 

And around that garden there will be small trees and flowery shrubs, that I deem is the right place to spread this selfmade compost.

( this woman cannot live on foodgarden alone either, and she misses the big garden she had for years, but had to give up after she divorced, and she misses the veggies, and the big bunches of flowers she could pick for the living room, and the berries, the strawberries, the...oh well, i miss it!)

 

poppies too by the way, the usual red ones, and yellow ones and a rare purple one

 

 

yeeesss ..... I ... ahhh   <cough >   ... had some of those growing .

yep, I thought you'd construct something that doesn't  cost tons of money.

 

I do houses too         - in 'the old days'  ( 20 years ago) , we could get a frame and roof up, with a cool design, for around $3000 with local timber - now, you would need that much to pay the fees, stamp duty and approvals ( although , for my place, I managed to avoid them     )

 

 

ah no...I cannot construct that all by myself, i'm too womanish for that...

need to catch me a new husband   

 

 

Oh ?  Simple !  For this, forget the barrel, go back to the pit in the ground toilet idea  ( but no toilet )

 

you will need; I large pit,  some twigs and branches for the top  and a length of string from a tree branch suspending a bottle of beer over the pit ... shouldn't  take long. 

[Songtsan]

@Blue Eyed Snake: maybe try these things? red panax ginseng, american ginseng, Korean ginseng, ashwaghanda, reishi mushrooms, maitake mushrooms, cordyceps mushrooms, echinacea & goldenseal, maca, astralagus, neem, and so on-basically take them all at the same time (with physician approval)... Add any other adaptogens, mushrooms, immune system boosters, etc that you know of. I call this 'shock and awe' technique...maybe up your iodine for a bit....I cycle various herbs and whatnot on and off and take milk thistle to help the liver cleanse itself. Even if they aren't super efficacious, you will get one hell of a placebo effect.

[blue eyed snake]

yes, some are 'hazard fraught'  ( and for that you will need 'hazard fraught' tools     https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hazard+fraught+tools&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Rr9TVdXVC4GxmAW5xIAI&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=577#imgrc=_  )

 

 

it must be from dry, not green wood ( eg. a saw mill may produce 'green' saw dust ) , adding normal compost will speed up the process.

 

yep

 

200 lt I think - they are about chest height  , so thats a good height to work with.  (We get them because  bulk importers bring them in that way into the country and then repack them in smaller lots - there is probably some other produce or import near you that uses something similar ?

 

yep, something around the cows, need the bigger one as i thought, 

 

I only notice a wiff of it on hot  very days when it really starts 'cooking' .

 

then why do you have a few meters sticking out to the moon?

 

Well, thats enough to get the full mileage from that experience then, time to turn around and move towards health      

 

I've been thinking that for some time now, doesn't seem to work, thought today i felt somewhat better, it feels like i've reached the turningpoint.

 

They are pretty much in the shade, mostly it is a cold composting method, and slow, thats why I have three barrels .  

 

seems like a good system to me

 

I find I need to be more organised, put all the ingredients in , pretty much at once and make a pile at least one cubic metre  to make a hot composting process. 

 

yep, composting needs some organizing. I had a garden some 5 minutes on a bike from my house, a plot I shared with a lot of other gardeners. At fisrt these mostly older men looked frowning on this young woman butting into their closed little world   .I got tons of good advice ( that i didn't need and didn't heed) After a few years they were used to me and my trifling ways.

 

With about ten people together we bought cow manure, an enormous mound of it... and helped each other when needed to get it to our plots.

 

I used that for making compost and slowly devised a good system. I build a kind of square boxes, one for new plantrests, one for pure cowmanure and one for combinationcompost. It worked so well that some of these guys came looking how this female bird made such good crops       .

 

and on the heap I had small edible pumpkins and nasturtium, beautiful

 

But still, after years, some guy would tell me: "it's too early for sowing spinach..and then when it was ready for eating, and looking big and green and bountiful and like magic the same guy "how did you do that?? 

 

Friend of mine always wondered whether i had been living on findhorn in another life...

But I do not have green fingers, just black hands ( and feet, and sometimes everything in between too)

 

yeeesss ..... I ... ahhh   <cough >   ... had some of those growing .

 

 

Oh ?  Simple !  For this, forget the barrel, go back to the pit in the ground toilet idea  ( but no toilet )

 

you will need; I large pit,  some twigs and branches for the top  and a length of string from a tree branch suspending a bottle of beer over the pit ... shouldn't  take long. 

 

well...being single is allright too...

, but one never now's what happens around the next corner

[Songtsan]

I think I'd like to be 'single' for a while, but have 'fun friends' to hang out with on occasion....Unless I meet exactly the right person, being with someone else seems to detract from my cultivation. Maybe once I have cultivated to the extent that I have achieved a certain level of actualization, I would then be ready to take on the role of dealing with the stresses of relationships that aren't perfectly matched, because honestly, most aren't. A perfected being however, or who who has at least approached their zenith of potential, could possibly find the time and energy to indulge

Edited May 14, 2015 by Songtsan

[blue eyed snake]

I think I'd like to be 'single' for a while, but have 'fun friends' to hang out with on occasion....Unless I meet exactly the right person, being with someone else seems to detract from my cultivation. Maybe once I have cultivated to the extent that I have achieved a certain level of actualization, I would then be ready to take on the role of dealing with the stresses of relationships that aren't perfectly matched, because honestly, most aren't. A perfected being however, or who who has at least approached their zenith of potential, could possibly find the time and energy to indulge

 

slowly I find out that everything comes as it must. All in good time.

 

I've been married, brought up a kid and now for the first time in I dont know when, i'm living alone, and enjoying it.

 

I've had a period with funfriends, but i do not want even that anymore...something in me tells me that that might be the time that the pendulum swings again.

 

But I'll no go looking for it.

 

But when you are not single now...becoming single means breaking up a relationship, that's mostly a hard thing , not to do easily.

 

And one thing i'm certain of, if there will ever be someone in my life to share with, he must be able to go along with the different exercises I do at strange times of the day... of my weird diet...my not having a TV and not wanting one either...and of course the black hands and feet...and some other things...

 

eh..maybe I'm not too easy to go along with, but, when the time is ripe, i might meet another idiot like me.

 

For you...maybe you indeed need some rest, to get away from citylife and all the attachments you have there.

If you really feel so, take action on it, don't get stuck in thinking about it. Somewhere in you is the knowledge what you need to flourish. You try to listen to it.

[Songtsan]

Its in the works! I am just trying to clean up nicely...not produce any unnecessary negative karma. I found myself seeking others to run to, just to get away from the insanity of this relationship, and then bam! I am past that phase (nice!)...however, I am still young enough that I have the drive and inclination to go frolicking just need to be more careful this time and 'not rush in' (or out...fools rush both in and out LOL)...I'm always amorous though, he he...better watch out if I ever make my way to Holland!

[Nungali]

then why do you have a few meters sticking out to the moon?

 

So it is a bit smelly only  on those days. 

 

I used that for making compost and slowly devised a good system. I build a kind of square boxes, one for new plantrests, one for pure cowmanure and one for combinationcompost. It worked so well that some of these guys came looking how this female bird made such good crops       .

 

and on the heap I had small edible pumpkins and nasturtium, beautiful

 

I made a pile of BD compost once, did everything proportional, a wide variety of materials ( with compost 'specialists' like nettle ) and the BD compost preparations and teas ....  It was like no other compost I made, a totally different texture and  super absorbent  and lightweight , you could stick your hand in it and pull a clump out four times bigger than your hand as it would stick together , and weigh virtually nothing ... worms loved it too.

 

http://biodynamics.net.au/resources/biodynamic-compost/     Note   12. and  13. 

 

But still, after years, some guy would tell me: "it's too early for sowing spinach..and then when it was ready for eating, and looking big and green and bountiful and like magic the same guy "how did you do that?? 

 

Well .... obviously ...  you are a  witch  

 

 

Friend of mine always wondered whether i had been living on findhorn in another life...

 

Oh dear ....     there is that word again .....     I dont think I will be able to 'not have a reaction' , when I hear that word ... for the rest of my life    

[Songtsan]

Why that? I've always been curious about Findhorn...

[blue eyed snake]

So it is a bit smelly only  on those days. 

 

should have read better...

 

I made a pile of BD compost once, did everything proportional, a wide variety of materials ( with compost 'specialists' like nettle ) and the BD compost preparations and teas ....  It was like no other compost I made, a totally different texture and  super absorbent  and lightweight , you could stick your hand in it and pull a clump out four times bigger than your hand as it would stick together , and weigh virtually nothing ... worms loved it too.

 

http://biodynamics.net.au/resources/biodynamic-compost/     Note   12. and  13. 

 

yep, things like that were my first guidelines, and you get better with it through the years. I didn't use the preparations though, but i did grow my own valerian to add, and used several other things. Straw on top works well and is beautiful too.

( and once a very large and beautiful grasssnake took up residence in one of my heaps, I felt deeply honoured. I was just feeling under the straw, how my heap was doing, warmth, moist, and I felt this beauty slithering along my hands and arms...wow!)

 

Well .... obviously ...  you are a  witch  

 

yes, but I didn't know at the time 

 

Oh dear ....     there is that word again .....     I dont think I will be able to 'not have a reaction' , when I hear that word ... for the rest of my life  

 

scuse me  , i should have known because i feel like that too...I was just reliving some happy memories. thats what comes of getting old

[blue eyed snake]

Why that? I've always been curious about Findhorn...

 

eh...I think both Nungali and me have heard the comment a bit too often...

[blue eyed snake]

Its in the works! I am just trying to clean up nicely...not produce any unnecessary negative karma. I found myself seeking others to run to, just to get away from the insanity of this relationship, and then bam! I am past that phase (nice!)...however, I am still young enough that I have the drive and inclination to go frolicking just need to be more careful this time and 'not rush in' (or out...fools rush both in and out LOL)...I'm always amorous though, he he...better watch out if I ever make my way to Holland!

 

good,

 

when you've to seek others because you don't feel well at home something is indeed no good. That i do recognize...some advise from an old woman   if you care for it.

 

Now look at yourself, i mean, i found in the last years that i invariably had funrelations with the wrong kind of guy. I mean, allright for fun, but not for a relation. The strange thing was, that even though superficially these guys were very different from each other, they all triggered a behavior-pattern in me that comes straight out of my early years and which needs to stop.

 

So I found that first I've to change myself, and then i will attract and be attracted to the kind of man that i could be living with.

 

doesn't mean you can't go frolicking around, as long as you're clear about your intentions. Meanwhile you might gather which behavioural patterns get trigered in you while frolicking around, and teach you to change that,

 

Shake loose of the citylife now, and don't forget to have fun

[Nungali]

yep, things like that were my first guidelines, and you get better with it through the years. I didn't use the preparations though, but i did grow my own valerian to add, and used several other things. Straw on top works well and is beautiful too.

( and once a very large and beautiful grasssnake took up residence in one of my heaps, I felt deeply honoured. I was just feeling under the straw, how my heap was doing, warmth, moist, and I felt this beauty slithering along my hands and arms...wow!)

 

   I love snakes. I am the local snake guy - if someone wants one removed from their house or chicken run they come and get me. I have found that, at least , the diamond python ( our sacred 'rainbow serpent' ) is very psychic ... I have projected thoughts at them and they behaved exactly as 'required' (and I am also careful , when testing this, not to use body language ... but they seem to be able to 'smell' stuff.  Their tongue moves so fast it forms a blurred shape that changes with pattern rippling through it ( like visual illusions of , as in a spinning aeroplane propeller )  If they are not hunting, look well fed and its cold, they will gladly accept a cuddle ... magnificent spiritual being they are ! 

 

And central to the whole spiritual creation of Australia

 

 

 

 

 

But I actually wanted to comment on the compost heap and what took up residence in y compost heap  -  MIchael Vlasto      

 

Michael is a local character. a gentleman of senior years from England, who on occasion, acts very upper class and refined . Many know him as an east coast hitch hiker and travelling story teller. He looks like a total scruffy tramp that has been wearing the same clothes for 20 years (once we went swimming and he took his pants off and they just about stood up by themselves ! )

 

  Anyway, he goes around acting very much NOT like his visual appearance.  When he would stay at my place he slept in the mulch pile ( which had began composting itself) next to the compost because it was nice and warm  - a rad character ... he also walked from Lake Eyre to Sydney with a group of Aboriginals ,( 1433 km ! )  drank raw kangaroo blood with them (which I won't do  ! )  - all with a cultured upper class English accent and Shakespear quotes     .... and lived in my mulch pile  .

 

He is a real  'air drinker'  that one! 

 

 

 

 

 

The funny thing was ( and his life is often like this)  the walk was a protest against not allowing Aboriginal involvement in the Sydney Olympics.  When they got there and started making a big fuss they were asked what their problem was?

 

"No one is allowing  the Aboriginals   to take part - its not fair ! "

 

An official had to tell them .... " Ummmm   Kathy Freeman just lit the Olympic touch ."

 

 

 

 

  ... Oh dear !  - life is like that for him.

 

(At least they let them in to watch the rest    )

 

 

... Good Lord !  There is actually a photo of him on google pics !   

 

[Nungali]

I am assuming Songstan is not concerned about how off topic I am taking his thread ? 

 

Anyway you asked about my reaction to Findhorn.   I live on a place that was supposed to be the Australian equivalent and developed from similar New Age philosophies and principles.

 

I won't go into it now but it has been a mess of BS ego and spiritual wankers and environmental degradation.   And attempted coverups, abuse of peoples rights, also a 3 year long court battle in the Supreme Court followed by an appeal  trying to prove the place did not belong belong to the people that paid for it, lived there and built it. But some unformed trust that supposedly had formed that made the place 'Findhorn'.  I was closely involved on the front line of all of that ... .  

 

Not only did I deflect the action, almost single handedly and help save the land and houses from repossession, half of the people there turned against me and still are, even though we won case and appeal ... all up about $3mill was spent on it.

 

People from here went to Findhorn and got 'infected' ...  I have dealt with some of them - totally idiots

 

Just one example. Needed to 'release the restrictive energy of the property' , apparently the nature spirits were restricted and astral energy could not flow properly ( as the spirit channellers found out) so they 'had to;  pull down all the fences on the property (an old dairy farm ).

 

Oh dear, now the cows are escaping and going everywhere .... we better get rid of them .

 

Oh dear, now there is nothing to eat the grass and the place is being overgrown with giant grasses, weeds, lantana, hippy import plants ( but cats claw is so pretty ...   besides - the nature spirits like it ....   cant cut the grass as nature spirits dont like engine fumes and the noise disturbs them and ... and ... and ...   =  mess .

 

Obviously that is not Findhorn's fault ,  if you go there it is expensive to stay and operates like some type of New Age University.

 

And they have a similar stupid dynamic - allowing 'breatharian' workshops from Australian new Age Con Artists 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmuheen

 

 Talk about air drinking !   

 

Which resulted in the death of a long time and beloved member of Findhorn.   And other stuff.

 

There is a big cover up going on .    I spit on the hypocrisy !  And I am not very popular at all for doing so. rocking the new age boat (even though I was crucially involved in saving numerous homes and people and their families from eviction.

 

I better stop now .   

[Songtsan]

Wow. Fascinating, in a sad way...well, I wanted to add that I have a pet corn snake, my girlfriends actually, named Shakti....I'll take a picture sometime...

[blue eyed snake]

I am assuming Songstan is not concerned about how off topic I am taking his thread ? 

 

Anyway you asked about my reaction to Findhorn.   I live on a place that was supposed to be the Australian equivalent and developed from similar New Age philosophies and principles.

 

I won't go into it now but it has been a mess of BS ego and spiritual wankers and environmental degradation.   And attempted coverups, abuse of peoples rights, also a 3 year long court battle in the Supreme Court followed by an appeal  trying to prove the place did not belong belong to the people that paid for it, lived there and built it. But some unformed trust that supposedly had formed that made the place 'Findhorn'.  I was closely involved on the front line of all of that ... .  

 

Not only did I deflect the action, almost single handedly and help save the land and houses from repossession, half of the people there turned against me and still are, even though we won case and appeal ... all up about $3mill was spent on it.

 

People from here went to Findhorn and got 'infected' ...  I have dealt with some of them - totally idiots

 

Just one example. Needed to 'release the restrictive energy of the property' , apparently the nature spirits were restricted and astral energy could not flow properly ( as the spirit channellers found out) so they 'had to;  pull down all the fences on the property (an old dairy farm ).

 

Oh dear, now the cows are escaping and going everywhere .... we better get rid of them .

 

Oh dear, now there is nothing to eat the grass and the place is being overgrown with giant grasses, weeds, lantana, hippy import plants ( but cats claw is so pretty ...   besides - the nature spirits like it ....   cant cut the grass as nature spirits dont like engine fumes and the noise disturbs them and ... and ... and ...   =  mess .

 

Obviously that is not Findhorn's fault ,  if you go there it is expensive to stay and operates like some type of New Age University.

 

And they have a similar stupid dynamic - allowing 'breatharian' workshops from Australian new Age Con Artists 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmuheen

 

 Talk about air drinking !   

 

Which resulted in the death of a long time and beloved member of Findhorn.   And other stuff.

 

There is a big cover up going on .    I spit on the hypocrisy !  And I am not very popular at all for doing so. rocking the new age boat (even though I was crucially involved in saving numerous homes and people and their families from eviction.

 

I better stop now .   

 

 

Thank you for sharing and sorry I pressed your button...

 

On the other hand, even though this experience of yours is still raw and fresh, I do wonder what this is...

 

My sister had a likewise experience, she about worked her ass off on a findhorn-like place and then...I donotnowhow...she and her family, 3 kids and partner, where just about bullied off the place.

 

They left, bought a small farmhouse and began anew, most beautiful place I know...birds and flowers and trees and shrubs...it's a good place.

 

But what is the underlying 'thing' that makes these kinds of thing happen.

 

you worked your ass off, not only don't get thanks for it but the reverse,

 

and the flying away newagers that don't know how to be grounded, how to take care of a place to live, how to balance the needs of cows and humans with nature... and they take over...

 

Not long ago i had a likewise experience, trying to set up a place to live for specialneeds adolescents ( one of my own) worked my ass of, I'm pretty sure without me they wouldn't have gotten it into the realitysphere...then things changed, people came with, imo, pretty stupid ideas...so i quit. But, of course, i still know people there and i gather that it's not working well and that eh...there's a lot of distrust between the parents of the several youngsters living there... to me it feels like the same kind of event

 

??? do you you ideas how these things come to happen?

 

feel free not to answer btw, it might be too fresh for you

 

love BES

[thelerner]

Never assume the spiritual (of any tradition) are going to be angels, above corruption or even pettiness.

Trust them, but tie the camels and look carefully at the receipts. 

 

 

and as far as the Op goes

Each member of the family has there own cup.  I put mine in one spot and don't wash it too often, not when I'm just drinking water. 

Edited May 18, 2015 by thelerner

[Songtsan]

I will soon be living on 40 acres of land in Macedon, NY, as long as my PO approves, and it has wetlands, beehives, maples, black walnuts, so the potential for me to create my own such place is ripe. I invited Vanir there to come live out there too, maybe he will find his way out there at some point....I definitely need to nurture and fix some small part of the Earth before I leave....my reparation for all the damage I have caused her...I will be hitting you guys up in the future for tips and advice on things....

[Nungali]

Thank you for sharing and sorry I pressed your button...

 

On the other hand, even though this experience of yours is still raw and fresh, I do wonder what this is...

 

My sister had a likewise experience, she about worked her ass off on a findhorn-like place and then...I donotnowhow...she and her family, 3 kids and partner, where just about bullied off the place.

 

They left, bought a small farmhouse and began anew, most beautiful place I know...birds and flowers and trees and shrubs...it's a good place.

 

But what is the underlying 'thing' that makes these kinds of thing happen.

 

you worked your ass off, not only don't get thanks for it but the reverse,

 

and the flying away newagers that don't know how to be grounded, how to take care of a place to live, how to balance the needs of cows and humans with nature... and they take over...

 

Not long ago i had a likewise experience, trying to set up a place to live for specialneeds adolescents ( one of my own) worked my ass of, I'm pretty sure without me they wouldn't have gotten it into the realitysphere...then things changed, people came with, imo, pretty stupid ideas...so i quit. But, of course, i still know people there and i gather that it's not working well and that eh...there's a lot of distrust between the parents of the several youngsters living there... to me it feels like the same kind of event

 

??? do you you ideas how these things come to happen?

 

feel free not to answer btw, it might be too fresh for you

 

love BES

 

Well ... it could be a thesis.  But really briefly, a few points. (going from the briefest and most sarcastic

 

 

 

No good deed goes unpunished.

 

humans are stupid ... more so than we realise -   http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/

 

 

People are loosing their 'natural intelligence' that they do have at an exponential rate due to modern lifestyles, influences and 'specialisations'.   

 

They 'overinvoked ' Aquarius ... all visionary without a clue how to practically apply it, learn from mistakes etc. 

 

Humans are socio political primates - no escaping that, unless that is not addressed , as well as any spiritual content,  and a proper humanist system is set up to address and deal with that, the same problems just keep occurring in a cycle.

 

All groups that dont know how to address the human group dynamic - regardless of their other work will fail or struggle. 

 

Lack of education, and awareness training  (mostly to do with the self and relation to environment  )  - some type of modern ego that just assumes and asserts that it  knows a whole lot of stuff that it can enact, and does so , then turns a blind eye and refuses to learn from mistakes when it goes wrong.

 

There is a wonderful story here that the indigenous have that relates to an older and baser dynamic  - The Big Fig Tree.

 

The big fig tree grew further down the coast, it was gigantic and ancient and was large enough to provide a feast each year for several tribes that gathered together and met there. They would camp there for a few days, feast out, party, etc.O

 

One year, a group got there early and didnt wait for the others, they  got all the best fruit. Then when the others turned up, they complained about it and a fight started. people started getting hurt, the fight went up into the tree, some branches broke off, the kids started crying ... then a big voice   " Right then !'  and a big hand came down from the sky grabbed the tree pulled it out of the ground and took it up into the sky.

 

No more figs for you ! 

[Nungali]

I will soon be living on 40 acres of land in Macedon, NY, as long as my PO approves, and it has wetlands, beehives, maples, black walnuts, so the potential for me to create my own such place is ripe. I invited Vanir there to come live out there too, maybe he will find his way out there at some point....I definitely need to nurture and fix some small part of the Earth before I leave....my reparation for all the damage I have caused her...I will be hitting you guys up in the future for tips and advice on things....

 

 

Sounds great !   Keep us posted.   

[Songtsan]

I'll take some pics soon and post them.

[Nungali]

Sweet !  I just checked some of the place on google pics.   Looks like they like bad food and canals  

 

Your pics might be a better selection.

 

Is this a rental property or are you thinking of buying it ? 

[Songtsan]

No, my employer/friend/business partner owns it outright...he will let me do just about anything I want within reason and local permitting laws, whatever i can get funding for. I will PM you some closer coords so you can see the actual locale..

[blue eyed snake]

I will soon be living on 40 acres of land in Macedon, NY, as long as my PO approves, and it has wetlands, beehives, maples, black walnuts, so the potential for me to create my own such place is ripe. I invited Vanir there to come live out there too, maybe he will find his way out there at some point....I definitely need to nurture and fix some small part of the Earth before I leave....my reparation for all the damage I have caused her...I will be hitting you guys up in the future for tips and advice on things....

 

sounds good, seems that you are turning a page mister songtsan. You keep us informed,

[blue eyed snake]

All groups that dont know how to address the human group dynamic - regardless of their other work will fail or struggle. 

 

Lack of education, and awareness training  (mostly to do with the self and relation to environment  )  - some type of modern ego that just assumes and asserts that it  knows a whole lot of stuff that it can enact, and does so , then turns a blind eye and refuses to learn from mistakes when it goes wrong.

 

yes...in a nice synchronicity, one of the moms of this group called me yesterday with a story....

I grasp it a little better now, thinking back on what happened. One of the reasons things went wrong, i think, was that people deemed me someone who wanted power...I didn't want it, filled the role as good as a could. But I ca be pretty dominant when it is needed, males don't like that, from a woman... Now they have someone with too much ego...

 

There is a wonderful story here that the indigenous have that relates to an older and baser dynamic  - The Big Fig Tree.

 

The big fig tree grew further down the coast, it was gigantic and ancient and was large enough to provide a feast each year for several tribes that gathered together and met there. They would camp there for a few days, feast out, party, etc.O

 

One year, a group got there early and didnt wait for the others, they  got all the best fruit. Then when the others turned up, they complained about it and a fight started. people started getting hurt, the fight went up into the tree, some branches broke off, the kids started crying ... then a big voice   " Right then !'  and a big hand came down from the sky grabbed the tree pulled it out of the ground and took it up into the sky.

 

No more figs for you ! 

 

nice, i'll remember that one