Songtsan Posted May 26, 2015 ...although there is... What there most likely is is this: -The One, Holos, everything in existence, even if it is not yet manifested -The Two, the Yin/Yang, opposite poles, the ends of the extremes available in Nature -The Three, the Trinity...where opposities coincide and spiral into eachother, the mergence of the poles, like the Venn diagram where two separate realms collide into a third -The Four, the collusion and collision of Time, which is Space, where the Three have their play Not sure about dimensions beyond this yet... Comments/criticisms? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 I expected your "Four" to be "The Ten Thousand Things" but whatever. But then, as soon as you have "Two" you have duality - this and that; this and not that. I don't know if it would even be useful to go beyond the interactions of the things of the Manifest (your "Four"). As has been said, as soon as we start taking things apart we lose their wholeness, there essence. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolai1 Posted May 26, 2015 Yes I agree. There is either wholeness, or multiplicity. When we have multiplicity we have separate things interacting causally. Yin and yang refer to the patterns we see in these interactions. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 True... in our manifest world... everything is duality... what gets interesting is whether there are different patterns in different dimensional worlds. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolai1 Posted May 26, 2015 Different dimensions are just part of the multiplicity. Also the duality of oneness and multiplicity are both part of the oneness. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted May 26, 2015 Mind creates duality. Without any mind input what is left? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 True... in our manifest world... everything is duality... what gets interesting is whether there are different patterns in different dimensional worlds. I rarely go there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 Mind creates duality. Without any mind input what is left? what is the mind's source? duality or non-duality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 Mind creates duality. Without any mind input what is left? Hehehe. That's cheating. Without the mind we become a rock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted May 26, 2015 what is the mind's source? duality or non-duality? But duality and non-duality are ideas created by the mind. Hehehe. That's cheating. Without the mind we become a rock. Just pointing to what is left when the mind is quiet for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsun Posted May 26, 2015 Hehehe. That's cheating. Without the mind we become a rock. That's what the mind wants you to think 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted May 26, 2015 Yin is one, Yang is two, YinYang is one or three depending how you see it...if they are perfectly balanced, they are one, if either is excessive, they are three...like the Venn diagram.. Another analogy is a teeter totter...polar ends with fulcrum..3 parts...also there is jing, chi, shen- body, mind, spirit...the trinity..if I knew more math, I might be able to tie in things like π, golden ratios, spirals.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 That's what the mind wants you to think Hehehe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 But duality and non-duality are ideas created by the mind. Says who... The mind? Sometimes the mind talks too much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 I might be able to tie in things like π, golden ratios, spirals.. But pie are round not square. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 Yin is one, Yang is two, YinYang is one or three depending how you see it...if they are perfectly balanced, they are one, if either is excessive, they are three...like the Venn diagram.. Another analogy is a teeter totter...polar ends with fulcrum..3 parts...also there is jing, chi, shen- body, mind, spirit...the trinity..if I knew more math, I might be able to tie in things like π, golden ratios, spirals.. Yin is nothing; Yang is nothing. When you add that together.... I will guess you get "two nothings" ? There is a reason they teach math at such a young age... they just want kids to 'add it up' in life... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted May 26, 2015 Says who... The mind? Sometimes the mind talks too much. Yes the mind. Mind is not the enemy, although it is responsible for all our self inflicted misery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 I will guess you get "two nothings" ? It would be truly difficult to differentiate between the two "nothings". (They might be perfectly identical.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted May 26, 2015 Also, I think that the causal is the play of opposites, yinyang, and that the acausal is at the center...being the reflexive center, or seat of awareness, the pivot of creation...this is the 3rd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted May 26, 2015 Also, I think that the causal is the play of opposites, yinyang, and that the acausal is at the center...being the reflexive center, or seat of awareness, the pivot of creation...this is the 3rd... My thought at reading this was: Harmony. Harmonious Chi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 Yes the mind. Mind is not the enemy, although it is responsible for all our self inflicted misery. IMO... mind is a just a gateway... you get filtered something in this dimension. The subconscious has a deeper picture... where there is no misery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted May 26, 2015 Then there is the Hindu trinity: Brahma (Creator, void), Vishnu (preserver, Yang), Shiva (Destroyer, Yin) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted May 26, 2015 Doesn't our perception do the filtering? Then, without the perception, everything just is. Maybe I haven't gone deep enough, but this is how I see at this level at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted May 26, 2015 Also, I think that the causal is the play of opposites, yinyang, and that the acausal is at the center...being the reflexive center, or seat of awareness, the pivot of creation...this is the 3rd... Yes... in this manifest world... duality rules our minds. The center? It is just the center of duality. A local smile on a greater understanding. We are aware... locally... within our mind environment... although it may be expanded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiot_stimpy Posted May 26, 2015 Then there is the Hindu trinity: Brahma (Creator, void), Vishnu (preserver, Yang), Shiva (Destroyer, Yin) Father, Son, Holy Ghost Spirit, Mind, Body The Son is crucified, enters and conquers hell and rises to be born again with the Father in heaven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
